The British Accent - A lesson on ignorance.

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Kinguendo

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Cmwissy said:
Kinguendo said:
Cmwissy said:
Hope Chest said:
I'd say the Prime Minister's Office is a pretty good source too.

No.


Kinguendo said:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states
Yes - those are all Sovereign states.
So are you saying Afghanistan isnt a country? Japan? USA?

The fact of the matter is that state and country are interchangable.

Nope, Afghanistan, Japan and the USA aren't countries - they have however been publicly accepted as them over time.

We haven't got there yet.

Plus the fact of the matter is - Scotland is a country, while Illinois, Is not.
Yes, so... they are countries with a country. They are countries and the UK is a country.

As I said, State and Country are interchangable.
 

Cmwissy

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Kinguendo said:
Evidently not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom


Doesn't say It's a country man, - and somehow (even though everyone hates it) I trust Wikipedia over The sun or the Mirror.

You ask any sane Brit. 'Is Britain a country'

They'll say No.


http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_type_of_country_is_the_United_Kingdom&alreadyAsked=1&rtitle=What_type_of_country_is_united_kingdom


It's a Cultural Democracy - if anything.

The UK may be a country one day - But for now, No.


Sovereign State =/= country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_state
 

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As an American, I can attest to the regional difference in accents within one country. While it doesn't vary as much in regions as close as in Britain, there is a notable difference between the following; New York Accents (with the subsidiary Bronx, Brooklyn, and Jersey accents), Midwestern accents, Valley Accents in California, and Southern (with the subsidiary Virginia Southern, Florida Southern, Creole and Cajun Southern; practically every state in the South has a variation on Southern accent). What's interesting to note about the different areas of American accents is their influence being derived from immigrants. For instance, Creole and other Louisiana accents have a strong French influence. The New England area has a strong Irish influence. The South has German and Polish, etc.
I myself have a slight influence of Southern, having grown up in Georgia. However, since it was the northern part and in a suburban area outside of Atlanta, you wouldn't know by hearing me that I grew up in the South. I work in Alabama and actually had a guy ask me how far North I was from. He didn't believe me when I told him where I grew up.
 

Kinguendo

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Cmwissy said:
Kinguendo said:
Evidently not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom


Doesn't say It's a country man, - and somehow (even though everyone hates it) I trust Wikipedia over The sun or the Mirror.

You ask any sane Brit. 'Is Britain a country'

They'll say No.


http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_type_of_country_is_the_United_Kingdom&alreadyAsked=1&rtitle=What_type_of_country_is_united_kingdom


It's a Cultural Democracy - if anything.

The UK may be a country one day - But for now, No.


Sovereign State =/= country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_state
Okay seriously... you dont even understand what you are saying now do you?

A democracy isnt something that can replace country... thats the kind of political structure we have! Democratic... we are a Democratic Country!

Oh and "Doesn't say It's a country"... Except for on the second line of the first paragraph!
 

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Furburt said:
Well, thank you.

I would like to say the same about the Irish accent.

A Belfast accent is very different to a Cork accent.
Galway accent owns all of that.

It's too shexy for it's own good

But on a more serious note, I don't see why we need a lesson. It's done to the American accent too, and even the different types of Spanish accents.

Basically people can't really tell if the "base" accent isn't their own. Or it's much harder.
 

JWAN

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fyi, if you pronounce things differently then you have an accent. everyone has one.

Unless your all robots.
 

Kinguendo

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Hope Chest said:
Kinguendo said:
Cmwissy said:
Kinguendo said:
Evidently not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom


Doesn't say It's a country man, - and somehow (even though everyone hates it) I trust Wikipedia over The sun or the Mirror.

You ask any sane Brit. 'Is Britain a country'

They'll say No.


http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_type_of_country_is_the_United_Kingdom&alreadyAsked=1&rtitle=What_type_of_country_is_united_kingdom


It's a Cultural Democracy - if anything.

The UK may be a country one day - But for now, No.


Sovereign State =/= country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_state
Okay seriously... you dont even understand what you are saying now do you?

A democracy isnt something that can replace country... thats the kind of political structure we have! Democratic... we are a Democratic Country!

Oh and "Doesn't say It's a country"... Except for on the second line of the first paragraph!
Yeah--according to that definition, America isn't a country either! We've annexed the country of Hawaii and made it a state: how is that different from the UK and Scotland?
A... are you talking to me?

I know the UK is a country.
 

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Yes, well I know that there are numerous variations of the accent most commonly seen in Britain. I hear a number of them thanks to games and television. (I am, in fact, channeling John Cleese as we speak.) But the phenomenon of accents will always be treated in a melange sort of way in order to keep it all straight in our heads. A cockney accent is still British even if it IS suppose to be lower-class. (Thank you for that, Lord Palethorn.) Thus, we understand that while there IS a difference, it's only in the manner of genus and species, in all technicality. In future, those offended by being described by the moniker 'British accent' should recall that they mean 'British accent, sub-category: YOURS', because there are many in-accent dialects and dear god I seem to be babbling away.

*Kicks John out of his head*

Much better. I'm Irish, myself, though I have a Pittsburgh accent.
 

Cmwissy

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Kinguendo said:
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You're both obviously unbelievably bias to your countries, Yes I have made mistakes in my posts and have always marked them out; you both however are just....enemies of logic.


I recommend you both read;

http://www.amazon.co.uk/History-Scotland-Neil-Oliver/dp/0297856634

http://www.amazon.com/History-Ireland-Essential-Histories-Palgrave/dp/0333654331


Before you run of the mouth again - You cannot compare a British country with a state; tell me - how much post-British invasion American history does New-york have?


http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Society-and-Culture/People-and-Places/Question84442.html

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091211171640AAS7nmA
 

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Cmwissy said:
Mezmer said:
As an American (where we seriously have a ridiculous amount of accents here) i can kind of get what you're trying to accomplish here. If you took someone from Minnesota and someone from say Brooklyn New York you'd immediately see the difference. Minnesotans have long Os and People from brooklyn have that whole italian-esc thing going on. Yet even if you had a business man from northern california and some hick from louisianna, you'd still identify it as an American Accent. So...am i going to keep calling accents from the UK british or english...yeah. Sorry. Its just easier.

And what about Scottish, Irish or Welsh people?

Are they all English?
Some of the Irish are.
 

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Hope Chest said:
Kinguendo said:
A... are you talking to me?

I know the UK is a country.
Sorry--should have specified according to Cmwissy logic, not yours. My bad! I was agreeing with you, but was unclear.
And you call me rude.
 

Kinguendo

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Cmwissy said:
Kinguendo said:
Hope Chest said:

You're both obviously unbelievably bias to your countries, Yes I have made mistakes in my posts and have always marked them out; you both however are just....enemies of logic.


I recommend you both read;

http://www.amazon.co.uk/History-Scotland-Neil-Oliver/dp/0297856634

http://www.amazon.com/History-Ireland-Essential-Histories-Palgrave/dp/0333654331


Before you run of the mouth again - You cannot compare a British country with a state; tell me - how much post-British invasion American history does New-york have?
Irrelevant babble!

Come on, admit it... you havent acknowledged that it does say it is a country, meaning your own proof proves you wrong.
 

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Cmwissy said:
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Well there you go: when people say "British" they are referring to someone's NATIONALITY.

Look at the original post (before it got derailed)

There is allot of the UK - it would be foolish to sum up every accent like that.
It would also be foolish to expect evybody everywhere to call accents by thier local names rather than the nation from where the accent comes from.

When you hear an Australian talk you think "oh thats an Australian accent", because that accent comes from Asutralia. It would be very foolish of me to expect you to call it a country accent, such a distinction is irrelvent and pointless. Un less you live here there is no way you could know, and even less reason you should care.

Even if an accent isn't general Australian it would still be correct to call it Australian, because thats where it comes from.
 

Cmwissy

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Kinguendo said:
Cmwissy said:
Kinguendo said:
Hope Chest said:

You're both obviously unbelievably bias to your countries, Yes I have made mistakes in my posts and have always marked them out; you both however are just....enemies of logic.


I recommend you both read;

http://www.amazon.co.uk/History-Scotland-Neil-Oliver/dp/0297856634

http://www.amazon.com/History-Ireland-Essential-Histories-Palgrave/dp/0333654331


Before you run of the mouth again - You cannot compare a British country with a state; tell me - how much post-British invasion American history does New-york have?
Irrelevant babble!

Come on, admit it... you havent acknowledged that it does say it is a country. Meaning your own proof proves you wrong.
I've acknowledged it - I haven't accepted it.

It's general knowledge that the UK is a sovereign union-ship - I just rang my mother and asked her if the UK is a country - she laughed down the phone and said no.


Also - don't call it 'irrelevant babble' you twat ;) (if you saw the intentional irony - you win)


I also know without having to ask that you are English, Kinguendo, and if you were Scottish, Irish or Welsh - you would be agreeing with me.

Because these days British = English.