The censorship of the Elin in Tera has become ridiculous at this point.

[Geo Da Sponge]

I had the over under for the first appearance of "SJW" in this thread at "3", and was disappointed to see it take as long as 7. Come on guys, get on point.

So if I understand correctly, someone at Bluehole Studio had a moment of clarity and realized they had a race of 85% naked children running around in their MMO, recommended covering them up, only for someone else to turn around and sell even more revealing bikinis as DLC? Is that right? I have to hand it to TERA, that game never fails to entertain, even if it's usually for the wrong reasons.

Technically speaking these are not lolis as you put it, they're just a small race of creatures. That's like saying hobbits are loli, because they are small creatures therefore they must be children.

Well, that's...an argument, to be sure. Here, let's take a look.

Spoiler: Hobbit

Spoiler: Elin

Let's play spot the difference!

Bluehole Studio can do whatever they want with the game, and I'm sure just playing it isn't going to land anyone on a government watch list, but let's call a spade a spade and a loli a loli, so we don't all look like we're engaged in hysterical rationalization.

I was going to cite CommanderZx2's post as the most disingenuous Escapist comment of the week, a very hard achievement to reach indeed.

A quick Google search for elin tera reveals that they can't really be compared to any species played by Martin Freeman.

 

[CommanderZx2]

I had the over under for the first appearance of "SJW" in this thread at "3", and was disappointed to see it take as long as 7. Come on guys, get on point.

So if I understand correctly, someone at Bluehole Studio had a moment of clarity and realized they had a race of 85% naked children running around in their MMO, recommended covering them up, only for someone else to turn around and sell even more revealing bikinis as DLC? Is that right? I have to hand it to TERA, that game never fails to entertain, even if it's usually for the wrong reasons.

Technically speaking these are not lolis as you put it, they're just a small race of creatures. That's like saying hobbits are loli, because they are small creatures therefore they must be children.

Well, that's...an argument, to be sure. Here, let's take a look.

Spoiler: Hobbit

Spoiler: Elin

Let's play spot the difference!

Bluehole Studio can do whatever they want with the game, and I'm sure just playing it isn't going to land anyone on a government watch list, but let's call a spade a spade and a loli a loli, so we don't all look like we're engaged in hysterical rationalization.

Got to love it when people cherry pick, I too can play this game.

 

[NiPah]

Just popped in to see if this is continuing the trend of gamers misusing the word censorship to refer to trivial decisions made by a company regarding their own product. Yep, everything's in order here. Carry on.

Paywalls are a pretty annoying practice though, especially for an mmo that (presumably?) already has a subscription model.

Just a heads up, using the word censorship to refer to "trivial decisions" is actually correct, also self-censorship is a word and means "The exercising of control over what one says and does, especially to avoid criticism".

Spoiler

 

[Tony2077]

etna is a loli and she's a 1000 year old demon so race is meaningless

 

[loa]

So basically your complaint is that you're not getting your recommended daily dose of pseudo-jailbait?

Is this a thing?

From what I can decipher (I don't play tera), they made the standard outfits outside of certain regions less revealing like this

then proceeded to threaten that patching the standard ones in would be a bannable offense and then turned around and sell practically naked elin outfits (can't find images of the specific ones nor do I really want to search...) as paid for content.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Got to love it when people cherry pick, I too can play this game.

If that was the best rebuttal to "cherry picking" you could muster than I'm half convinced you're trying to make my argument for me. Well done!

 

[Lunar Templar]

*shrugs*

It's there game and they can change the look of the armor how every they want, and add things like that if they so choose.

I just know I'm kinda pissed about all the Reaper 'armor' (IE the dresses you see them in in the promo pic for em) are locked behind a stupid grind wall for some 'fashion tickets' -.-

It'd piss me off less if the armor they got didn't look like utter ass, but ....

 

[Geo Da Sponge]

Got to love it when people cherry pick, I too can play this game.

If that was the best rebuttal to "cherry picking" you could muster than I'm half convinced you're trying to make my argument for me. Well done!

Elijah Wood is a loli.

But to be honest, if you wanted to demonstrate that hobbits exhibit the same characteristics as Elin (oversized eyes, waifish frames, etc.) there's a way better example:

Spoiler: Spoiler for image

 

[nightmare_gorilla]

so, am I the only person left on earth who doesn't just blatantly judge people based on their tastes? like I don't get the appeal of loli but apparently everyone else does, what's wrong with having a loli character in a game? I won't play as them, personally I always prefer women over girls i like curves, hips and chest are a must. But I don't see loli as particularly distasteful either, there are fully grown 20-30 yr old asian women who look loli as hell.

As for the topic at hand. it seems to me like yeah they thought maybe people would find it distasteful and lets be honest we westerners are pretty silly in alot of our views on sexuality. i mean did you see the shit fit people threw over a cat girl in tekken? but then hey they gave people the option of buying it for their character if they CHOOSE to partake. this is whats killing the current debate on all this type of BS. just because something exists doesn't mean it is literally oppressing you by being a thing. like that spiderwoman cover it was a variant meaning only those who wanted it and sought it out would ever see it. I don't care what your personal opinion on.. well almost anything... is, unless you are being force ably subjected to it with no alternative shut up. just because someone else likes the way a suit of armor looks on their character and they might walk past you in the game wearing something you find objectionable doesn't mean anything. saying "that's too loli" is no different than saying "i don't care for that color scheme." get over yourself.

 

[Elijin]

Actually its a case of a private organisation engaging in censorship.

The fact they're the owners of the content they're censoring, doesnt magically stop it from being censorship.

If you're going to be silly about what 'censorship' is defined as, you should probably at least get it right.

So every time I'm writing, I have an idea, I put it down, I look at it then I go "WHAT THE HELL WAS I THINKING!" change it because I think it was a horrible idea, that's censorship?

If so, writers and authors censor themselves...daily.

You're an individual. An individual self-censors.

A Government or organisation (such as a corporation) censors.

Especially since you know, in this case they totally went through with the original design on the original servers, and changed the content for western servers because they thought it was too risque and would attract trouble.

 

[Erttheking]

Actually its a case of a private organisation engaging in censorship.

The fact they're the owners of the content they're censoring, doesnt magically stop it from being censorship.

If you're going to be silly about what 'censorship' is defined as, you should probably at least get it right.

So every time I'm writing, I have an idea, I put it down, I look at it then I go "WHAT THE HELL WAS I THINKING!" change it because I think it was a horrible idea, that's censorship?

If so, writers and authors censor themselves...daily.

You're an individual. An individual self-censors.

A Government or organisation (such as a corporation) censors.

Especially since you know, in this case they totally went through with the original design on the original servers, and changed the content for western servers because they thought it was too risque and would attract trouble.

And did doesn't count as self-censorship when they do it to themselves because...there's more than one person? Really it just seems like hair splitting.

That's called modifying your work for a different audience. People do it all the time, because when you step out of your comfort zone and are speaking to a new audience you can't just do whatever the hell you want. I just got done taking a class on Rhetoric and one of the things we talked about was how you had to change your writing to overcome cultural barriers. Example. When Dunken Donuts first expanded to China, they just everything they way they had done in America, selling the same foods. They failed miserably. Then they tried again, adjusting the store to fit China and selling foods more commonly seen in China. Then things worked properly. Same concept.

Really don't see what's so horrible about this. This wasn't exactly forced on them.

EDIT: OT: I'm starting to feel like censored is going to have to join entitled and causal in the list of words the internet completely ruined.

 

[Grumman]

I have never played Tera, but if I was considering it the Elin would make me think twice about it, I find them that unpleasant to look at.

Technically speaking these are not lolis as you put it, they're just a small race of creatures. That's like saying hobbits are loli, because they are small creatures therefore they must be children.

I don't agree with you. Lidda from Dungeons and Dragons is short, but she is still obviously an adult. Anna Maria Marconi from Superior Spider-Man is short, but she is still obviously an adult. These have faces like children's faces, and that's skeevy as hell.

 

[Elijin]

Lets run down a list.

Does the content exist in the finished product, in regions which are not subject to this 'censorship'? Yes. Therefore we can conclude it isnt someone simply deciding the content doesnt fit the finished product.

Is the content legally obtainable within the region it is restricted? No.

Is the content considered risque, unacceptable or objectionable by the region where it is being restricted? Yes. Im sure there are some who will argue for the side of lolis, but as a general rule we dont like it in western society.

Are there penalties in place for people who choose to circumvent this restriction? Apparently bans are handed out, or at the very least threatened, Im not a Tera player.

Sounds like censorship to me. Content which is within or intended to be within the finished product, but due to societal or political sensitivity has been cut or changed, and not made obtainable within that market, while still freely existing in its original form in other free markets.


This would be the same as arguing that prior to recent addition of R18+ rating in Australia, that games who elected to release a toned down less violent version are not censored versions. Im not talking the companies who submitted and failed to pass classification, Im talking the companies who made a product and went "Man, that content will cause issues if submitted, lets cut or change it to save time and hassle with changing it later anyway."



And to once again address the actual topic at hand, all this censorship is a moot point, as later introduced premium cosmetic content achieves the same thing, and is freely available for purchase.

The double standards of continuing to enforce the original restriction is the OPs concern.

 

[PetitDemon]

What reason did they give? As I'm sure that the more 'sexy' costumes for the loli's break the law in some western countries.

They don't break the law that I'm aware. And that wasn't given as one of the reasons.
If they were, they would be in trouble at this very moment. Because the costumes that can be worn, are much, much showier than the armors commonly referred to as "censored".

This video describes a lot of what happened, kind of. He quotes what Frogster said on the matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO26h9etTbw

En Masse stayed pretty much silent on the matter. But Frogster, who as far as I'm aware worked together worked with En Masse on some level, if only minor. The reasoning was apparently that they claimed that they were afraid that activist groups would be outraged and cause problems for them. En Masse and Frogster appear to share the same opinions. And they've both ended up doing the same things, in the end. Though En Masse did not speak to their opinions as much as Frogster did.

To be honest, the game in general is way too skimpy and tasteless. And the Elin can be even further over the edge for people, considering.. how.. err... young they look. Very few adult women would look like that without a lot of cosmetic surgery. But the boyshorts they got replaced with aren't exactly a big improvement. And like with Scarlet Blade, most players knew what they were getting into, and that Tera was a highly sexualized game.

And they simply look hypocritical now that the servers are filled with almost totally naked Elins in what look like microbikini cash shop items. But both En Masse and Frogster seemed to have had moral problems with the outfits in the beginning.

To be honest, I think that MMORPGs should stop this bikini armor thing, though.

But the hypocrisy here also bother me.
If they cared about morals, awesome, they should have given the Elin, and even more races, awesome, badass armor that covers their bodies like armor normally should. Not exchange their original outfits for booty shorts, acting like they have a moral high ground, and then turn around and sell Elin microbikinis on a cash shop.

I don't believe their claims of moral high ground when they told Bluehole to make boyshorts for them. When they're selling microbikinis for cash money.

 

[CommanderZx2]

Got to love it when people cherry pick, I too can play this game.

Spoiler: Frodo

...And? Aren't Frodo and Mary/Pippin supposed to be young? Wouldn't looking at the explicitly younger members of a race to prove that the entire race is composed of lolis be cherry picking? You'll notice that when they aren't children, Hobbit's don't actually look like children, whereas... do the Elin ever look older than children?

Frodo is supposed to be 33 years old at the start of the first Lord of the Rings movie, for comparison Bilbo is 111 years old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frodo_Baggins#The_Fellowship_of_the_Ring

 

[PetitDemon]

So basically your complaint is that you're not getting your recommended daily dose of pseudo-jailbait?

Is this a thing?

Not really. The game has plenty of that, if I wanted it. And plenty of other MMORPGs, if you're looking for it.

The problem that bothers me is of the hypocrisy of the localizers. Saying they have reasons for making a certain decision, and then turning around and doing something else.

To my opinion, the Queen's Wrath armor is the best looking in the game. For all races.
And they're some of the least sexualized armor in the game. Luckily, even though they're outdated, you can still wear them as a costume if you get enough fashion tickets.

 

[Loonyyy]

I had the over under for the first appearance of "SJW" in this thread at "3", and was disappointed to see it take as long as 7. Come on guys, get on point.

So if I understand correctly, someone at Bluehole Studio had a moment of clarity and realized they had a race of 85% naked children running around in their MMO, recommended covering them up, only for someone else to turn around and sell even more revealing bikinis as DLC? Is that right? I have to hand it to TERA, that game never fails to entertain, even if it's usually for the wrong reasons.

Technically speaking these are not lolis as you put it, they're just a small race of creatures. That's like saying hobbits are loli, because they are small creatures therefore they must be children.

Well, that's...an argument, to be sure. Here, let's take a look.

Spoiler: Hobbit

Spoiler: Elin

Let's play spot the difference!

Bluehole Studio can do whatever they want with the game, and I'm sure just playing it isn't going to land anyone on a government watch list, but let's call a spade a spade and a loli a loli, so we don't all look like we're engaged in hysterical rationalization.

Got to love it when people cherry pick, I too can play this game.

Irony thy name is this post. You cherry picked the best thing you could come up with (Because that's not what the hobbits look like the rest of the time[Making it the definition of cherrypicking], and the context of the soft lighting is near death experience/elves are magic/happy reunion), and it still doesn't look like how the Elin look, and in the Elin's case, them looking anything near as dressed as Hobbits would be the rarity you'd have to cherrypick. Unless your point is that they're young. Which would also be disingenuous.

I was going to cite CommanderZx2's post as the most disingenuous Escapist comment of the week, a very hard achievement to reach indeed.

A quick Google search for elin tera reveals that they can't really be compared to any species played by Martin Freeman.

I think the second one managed to beat it. If they're not careful they'll snag first, second and third.

 

[Chimpzy_v1legacy]

Got to love it when people cherry pick, I too can play this game.

Spoiler: Frodo

...And? Aren't Frodo and Mary/Pippin supposed to be young? Wouldn't looking at the explicitly younger members of a race to prove that the entire race is composed of lolis be cherry picking? You'll notice that when they aren't children, Hobbit's don't actually look like children, whereas... do the Elin ever look older than children?

Frodo is supposed to be 33 years old at the start of the first Lord of the Rings movie, for comparison Bilbo is 111 years old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frodo_Baggins#The_Fellowship_of_the_Ring

So?

Spoiler: Hobbit children

Spoiler: Hobbit young adults

Spoiler: Middle-aged Hobbit

Spoiler: Old Hobbit

Also, the reason Bilbo looked so young at 111 is because of the power of the One Ring, which slowed his aging. This is also how Gollem got to be about 500 years old. Or why Frodo seemingly didn't age in the two decade span between the very start of LotR, where he came into possession of the Ring, and his journey toward Mount Doom.

Spoiler: Ancient Hobbit with One Ring

Spoiler: Ancient Hobbit without One Ring

Furthermore, Hobbits are longer-lived than your average human (so, not those born from ancient, powerful bloodlines like Aragorn). Your average Hobbit can live to 100 years old and is mature at 33. Hence, Frodo at 33 was only the equivalent of a human 18 year old. And as mentioned before, the Ring stunted his aging. Any mention of Hobbits looking like children in the eyes of Men has more to do with their comparative size than the rest of their appearance.

Frodo looking younger compared Sam, Perrin or Merry can be chalked up to Elijah Wood being an ageless eldritch abomination to whom the passage of time if merely a suggestion. Or if you really want an in-universe explanation, maybe Frodo is just baby-faced for a Hobbit, just like you have baby-faced people in real life, like Elijah Wood.

Meanwhile, Elin all look like little girls, regardless of age, and are in fact ageless and/or immortal depending on source.

Either I'm not getting your point, or your argument falls flat.

 

[Lotet]

Got to love it when people cherry pick, I too can play this game.

Spoiler: Frodo

Fine, here, no cherry picking.
Google Image Search Tera Elin [https://www.google.com/search?q=Tera+Elin&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=w5uqVJ3NCujGmAXSroH4Aw&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1680&bih=953#imgdii=_]
NSFW, even with safe search on.

I can't give a similar link for "Hobbit" because it just gives the movie "The Hobbit" results, which of course goes against your arguments.