The Dark Knight - Not All That

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Rath709

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Since it is apparently going to become enshrined in law that criticism of The Dark Knight is not to be tolerated, I thought I'd get in a review before we all drown in the unjustifiable praise.

Dark Knight was 90% hype. I kept thinking there must have been at least an hour of actual story that must have ended up on the cutting room floor, especially where Two-Face was concerned. He was shoe-horned into the story and dealt with far too quickly. Rachel had almost nothing to do or say, which was probably a mercy given the change in actress. The believability of the tech at Batmans' disposal in Begins got sacrificed for a plot MacGuffin that fairly screamed "I Am A Deus Ex Machina", and there was almost no character exploration of any substance. What the hell was that with Scarecrow? Little more than a cameo. Nothing memorable about the music either. Really, this film wasn't a patch on Begins. Or even on "Return Of The Joker".

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go and make a new version of the Batsuit, because apparently all it takes is for it to be mentioned in one line of dialogue and it'll miraculously happen in the very next scene, contrary to the hype machine that made it sound as if the creation of a new suit would be a major plot point.
 

blackadvent

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Alright, for the sake of being kind, allow me to critique.

It's not a crime to present the opposite point of view, I applaud you for trying to do so. Having said that, a lot of your points needed to be expanded upon to justify them. When going against general opinion, justify your points to say, 'This is what I thought. You don't like it, then fine.'

The tone in general just seemed to be fairly unbalanced, and simply seemed to be more of a rant against the amount of praise the movie has gotten than a review. Not bashing your ability, just saying that you should think about expanding upon your points and being a little more rational.
 

Rath709

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blackadvent post=326.69443.659545 said:
Alright, for the sake of being kind, allow me to critique.

It's not a crime to present the opposite point of view, I applaud you for trying to do so. Having said that, a lot of your points needed to be expanded upon to justify them. When going against general opinion, justify your points to say, 'This is what I thought. You don't like it, then fine.'

The tone in general just seemed to be fairly unbalanced, and simply seemed to be more of a rant against the amount of praise the movie has gotten than a review. Not bashing your ability, just saying that you should think about expanding upon your points and being a little more rational.
Critique accepted. :)
 

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I don't think it was all hype since I wasn't waiting for it, but just watched it since the Mummy looked like something that would be straight to DVD.

I thought it was a kick ass movie with the Joker a very memorable character. Intriguing storyline that kept going, but I liked the way it wouldn't stop.
 

fluffylandmine

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I wanted to choke Batman as I thought it would save him the pain of whatever scourged his vocal chords.

With that said I have a similar view on Dark knight. I hated the shallow pseudo-depth that was being put up. I still liked it, as it was still flawed. I wouldn't give it a perfect rating as it was far from perfect. It wasn't a terrible film it just seemed to not fulfill all the critics are talking about.

Batman Begins was just nutzo coo-koo with the ninjas, and the betrayal, the other betrayal. It just seemed to be full of non-sense barely retaining to what batman really was: An anti-hero who does his job gladly so long as he sees justice due. The Batman from now is a psycho who wants blood, and will go to all lengths to get it.

What i'm trying to say is the new Batman films would be good if they weren't Batman, say something original for once
 

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fluffylandmine post=326.69443.659587 said:
What i'm trying to say is the new Batman films would be good if they weren't Batman, say something original for once

Well, here's hoping that Watchmen won't suck - but they can't even get Ozymandias' costume right.
 

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The thing I loved about that film is that it wasn't trying to be anything more than a comic book movie. It knew thats all it was and it went with it. If it was a brand new concept then I would have some serious issues with it but if you look at what it really is then it all makes sense. I'll admit, Two-Face was dealt with too quickly but no one wants to sit there for an extra hour no matter how good the film was.

However, his batman voice really pissed me off and how he refused to kill and how it was so very Hollywood shallow. I am a HUGE cynic and normally this shit would drive me mad but I know that if it were up to my standards it would be awful. Not making much sense am I? The movie did what it had to. Batman beat the badguy in a very extravagant and unnecassary way. Thats how its been in the comics for years and it shouldn't change just because its on the big screen.
 

Mr.Pandah

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Well its Batman's morals that kept him from actually drawing blood, He never has unless its on accident and even then, hes too good for that. He's not some psycho running around killing, your missing the point of his character. He can do what the cops can't, serve justice above and beyond the law.

Yet I do have one thing against the film(even though I loved it, saw it twice) The scene where the Joker crashes the party looking for Harvey Dent, after he saves Rachel whom gets thrown out the window...it was over. It was like, okay, The Joker was here and just left. Thats it, no more with that scene. But other then that, it was an amazing film and definitly deserves all the credit it got. Heath Ledger RIP
 

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Rath709 post=326.69443.659482 said:
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go and make a new version of the Batsuit, because apparently all it takes is for it to be mentioned in one line of dialogue and it'll miraculously happen in the very next scene
ever consider that time passed between asking for a new suit and him getting it.
 

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Chech post=326.69443.659654 said:
The thing I loved about that film is that it wasn't trying to be anything more than a comic book movie.
I didn't like the film because it was a comic book adaptation masquerading as high art. The Dark Knight is out for two days, and everyone tosses around phrases like "Nolan is the new Hitchcock" and "Greatest film of all time". What bothered me was the alleged pedigree of the film that in my eyes imploded as I left the theater.

I also wrote a review of the Dark Knight, but I never posted it here because I thought no one would care that much about it (apparently I was wrong).

And what you (the thread starter) wrote was closer to a shallow rant than a review. A lot of claims with no substance.
 

Mr.Pandah

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Well I didn't think that way about Nolan or the movie, but it was definitly a hell of alot better then the nay-sayers make it out to be.
 

qbert4ever

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I came in here all ready to make a structured argument, taking each of your points one by one and presenting a solid counter-case, and hopefully having a nice discussion and leaving you a little bit wiser. Not about the movie so to speak, but about the rant-ish undertones in your post, and what can be done to avoid them in the future.

Then I saw the post blackadvent left, realized he more or less beat me to it, and have decided to say nothing more then...

Fuck the haters, Batman RULES!
 

Rooster Cogburn

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I disagree on a few points. Rachel was extremely important to the plot, I can't understand that complaint at all. Besides, the new actress was needed, I even complained about the girl in the first one. I did notice that Batman's character wasn't really explored. Someone told me that they preferred it that way, because it kept it from becoming a rehash of Begins. I really can understand that complaint, though. I wasn't in on any hype really, but surely the suit isn't that big a deal...

You do make good points, but it bugs people (me) when you claim to be writing a review and then just bash. My only problem is that the plot wandered far too much.