The death of the fix-it-yourself generation

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Quick question. Your car stops working. What do you do? Well, take it to the garage! They'll take care of it. They'll take care of it because the way things are being built now requires you to take it to them.

Forty years ago this wasn't the case. If you had time, the work ethic and the right tools; you could get a book and fix the damn thing yourself. Sure you had to pay for the parts but you didn't have to worry about labor. The shop was the "I can't get it to work" place where you would spend your hard earned money only after spending your time and effort trying to save it. If you bothered to take the time to learn about the mechanics of a car and applied yourself you could really save money for other things.

Things have changed. New cars no longer have the comfortably large spaces around the engine so you can work on it easily. Some things are impossible to fix yourself either due to the requirement of special tools or due to the onboard computer needing to be worked with. Sometimes it is still possible to fix it yourself but the way the vehicle has been designed requires you to actually remove the entire engine to do it. A fix that used to be a 5 hour fix turns into a 2 day fix.

You see having cars that can be fixed on the driveway isn't good for business. That encourages people to save money by, say, going to a wrecker and getting discount parts instead of new parts. How do you kill that off? Make it very inconvenient or impossible to fix at home. Sometimes this leads to ridiculous situations.

3 years ago my Dad's minivan would not start. Being a fix-it-yourself guy since he was 12, he tried everything he could think of to get it moving. Finally admitting defeat, he has to get it towed to the shop. Why wouldn't the van start? The computer detected that a switch for the signal lights had worn out so it would not start the engine. Where is this switch? Buried within the front dashboard of course!

So the switch cost about 400 dollars (which is insane in itself) and there is also the labor cost of getting to it to replace it. My Dad is still disgusted about the entire situation. Even if he had known it was the switch that was causing the problem and if he had already had a replacement switch... Even if he had gone through the trouble of ripping the dashboard open to replace it himself it still would have needed to go to the shop for the computer to recognize the switch.

Now I'm not saying that things haven't all gone to hell since my Dad was in his twenties. Cars drive much, much, much further without maintenance now. Tires last longer. Oil is better. Treat your car with respect and you can expect it to take you a long, long way before you need a new one. It's just that when something does go wrong, you can no longer take the initiative and solve it yourself.

When I'm 40 I fully expect to have people surprised when I tell them my Dad, until a certain point in the 20th century, almost never took his vehicles to the garage. It isn't just major fixes they're trying to stop you from doing at home too. It is very difficult to change the oil filter in my current car, a 2009 Nissan Versa, due to the way the structure is designed underneath. It's doable but it is obvious that they want me to go pay someone else to do it.

I am disappointed that I won't be able to save my money the way my Dad used to by doing things myself. Yes it would be boring, arduous, sometimes exhausting but I would much rather sweat it out myself and save the extra money. The way my car is designed? Well, if something really stops working with it I will be forced to get it taken to the shop. One could say this is the natural course of Capitalism, always paying others to do something for you. I just don't like it.

TL;DR: Read it. I didn't write it out for you to skip all the way to the bottom so you could comment faster... :p

Discussion value: What do you think of killing off simplicity or ease of repair in the name of profit?

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Vault101

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its true we live in a very disposable society

it maes me wonder if the "easy" shiny stuff that comes form apple will overtake the more veritile computer models

Im not computer savvy by any means but Id rather have somthing that can acutlaly play around with than some shiny thing made for retards
 

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Vault101 said:
its true we live in a very disposable society

it maes me wonder if the "easy" shiny stuff that comes form apple will overtake the more veritile computer models

Im not computer savvy by any means but Id rather have somthing that can acutlaly play around with than some shiny thing made for retards
Sadly they seem to be here to stay. I am conflicted in my appreciation for them since on one hand I know nothing about computers (which is the only reason I don't play on pc) but on the other hand it is essentially a console (only specific programs and compatibility, non-modular, etc.) except you have to buy essentially the same thing every year.

Though this whole thread I was expecting it to be about how consumers are to lazy to research how to fix things rather than how products are seemingly designed to present consumers from fixing things.

I recently ordered an iPod touch screen online and with my older brother's help we replaced my older cracked screen ourselves, so it isn't impossible, just obtuse.
 

Luftwaffles

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Its the price of industry i guess. Its much more cheaper to purchase new than to get it repaired. There is also the fact that some industries make products that wont last very long, so that people will keep buying their gear.

Its sad, but you also have to take into account that most people dont have the time nor the expertise to repair objects.

My dad always had a DIY attitude and that has rubbed off on me. Quite glad.
 

Smithburg

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I tend to try to fix certain things myself, but I could never fix a car, I've never been good with electricity and engines and such, I can fix computers and software problems, but not hardware stuff
 

Veylon

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A lot of the complexity of this stuff seems highly arbitrary and ill thought out. There's no special reason why a car needs half a dozen bizarre chips in inconvenient locations when their functions could be merged to one that sits in the fuse box. You can buy yourself a Anduino programmable computer for less than a hundred bucks that could easily simulate anything those chips are doing.

But it's the parts that make the money. There's no incentive in the auto industry to standardize; right now each manufacturer can act as the monopolistic supplier for it's line of vehicles and reap the benefits of a captive market. They couldn't charge $400 for a switch if there were eight companies making them for fifty different models of car.
 

CrimsonBlaze

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I don't believe so. My immediate family and I tend to fix a lot of things that we own and continue to use a lot of "outdated" products long before their expiration date.
 

Craorach

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It isn't just affecting big things, like cars, and it's not just a crushing realisation for people in their older years.

A few weeks the cord of a kitchen appliance accidentally fell into the gas stove flame, melting the plug slightly. Not really damaging it, but enough that it wouldn't fit the plug properly and would be dangerous.

Ten years ago, I'd have replaced the plug and carried on. Now I have to replace the whole appliance or get an electrician to replace the wire.

Sure. there are safety based excuses for this stuff.. and some things are so complicated due to useful new features that non trained people shouldn't mess with them. But for the most part, the companies like this stuff cos it makes it easier to sell is new things.
 

Fiz_The_Toaster

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Since just about everything is computer based it's getting harder and harder for things to get fixed on your own and by yourself. I think that's probably why people don't do DIY fixes much anymore, that, and I hear 'it's too complicated'

I know there's a few things that I can fix myself, I can solder cables and patch things, but my car? Hell no, I'm taking that puppy to the dealership. If I know it's going to take me a while to fix it, then I will make time for it, but I just know it's going to be a pain to do it.

If I know I can fix then I will, if not, then I'm going to to find someone that can so I don't kill it and have to buy a new one.
 

The .50 Caliber Cow

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You want simple? I have a bike. I replace the chain, the tires and oil it to prevent it from rusting in the joints. Done.

If I have a car I'll proably have enough money to be able to afford the rare trip to the mechanic.


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RicoGrey

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Liquidacid23 said:
meh it's just the way it is... the more complex things get the more time it takes to learn a skill so the more specialized the fields get and the less skills a single person can learn... there simply isn't enough time in the day for us to learn how to operate, build, fix and maintain everything we use... it's also good for civilization as a whole because it creates more things for people to do... as things we need for pure survival like food production and whatnot become more and more efficient and produce more and more per person in the field you need something for rest of the growing population to do... it's like how a lot of products now a days are made to lesser quality than they could be... cause if they weren't the need for said items would shrink to the point of that industry collapsing
You are right, it is not feasible for a single person to learn all those skills, but it is feasible to go onto Google and get free step by step instructions on many different projects from millions of other people who do have those skills individually.

Since I became a DIY in the past 3 years, I have learned how to grow/maintain a healthy lawn, research various illnesses I have had, fix my own car several times, build my own deck, build my own fence, play the violin(in progress), build my own computer, setup a network complete with my own family server, eat healthier/learned to cook, research a new career path and find a better job, get a great deal on a house, and I even learned how to garden as in grow my own fruits and vegetables.

Following step by step guides, I have saved over $3000 dollars on fixing my car alone.

I don't need to be a mechanic, a gardener, or a computer tech, there are tons of other people who are experts at those things and can post how to guides online for the rest of us.
 

JochemHippie

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Well for one things have complicated, anyone who does it from time to time can fix a purely mechanical car, fixing one with all the damn wiring and computer crap is a whole different story.
 

Heronblade

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I've got my own ridiculous repair story.

A year or so ago the front right tire on my car came loose. The morons who changed it failed to secure it properly. As a result, the oil pan on the bottom of my car got crushed, fortunately little other damage occurred aside from some warping of the sidepanels. The oil pan on its own costs about $50, painful but manageable. I decide to look into replacing the thing myself.

I finally find a reliable guide to actually doing it. Step one: remove engine... Whoever designed my car decided that even though this particular component was on the very bottom of the car and was likely to need work on at least a few occasions, it could only be removed from above. Suffice it to say that even if my skills were up to that particular task, I simply did not have the equipment, and so I was stuck paying $1,500 for something that cost a thirtieth of that price. I tried to get the company that screwed up on the tire to foot the bill, but they claimed I messed with the tire since they had, and I couldn't prove otherwise.
 

DANEgerous

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I have to say it is not just the simplicity that is gone though that is a large problem, it is the fact that replacing the part is quite literally forced on just about every level, in the past most parts have been totally separate and interchangeable with supreme ease now if you take out a piece that has some computerized component it may be connected to another piece simply attached in a way it can no longer be removed as a single unit.

We may be forced to take things in to professional repairs but I must say that we have also decided things need to be "hacked" and not in the malicious way but rather in the "Hack-a-day" bend this item to do my will way. It is hopefully in some seance going to replace the quality in things that used to be able to simply returned to working order as they are now computerized they can now be remade or even changed in function with code.

I do not know if the fix it yourself generation is dead or merely needs to evolve and catch up with the manufacturers.
 

Dr Bodom

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I know what you mean. I work in a tyre/repair workshop for a while and when a pre-1980's car arrived it was a huge relief as it meant I did not have to spend 15 minutes trying to get to the damn oil filter. I saw all to often cars that were designed to only come apart using tools that only the manufactures specialty workshop would have, and one one occasion, a 4WD that has most of its panels riveted on. This meant I had to drill the rivets out and make holes in the new panels so it could be fitted. So glad I brought an old cortina
 

Amethyst Wind

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I've changed the brakes, drained and replaced the oil, changed out lightbulbs, refilled the batteries on both mine and my mother's cars. I like to think I can handle the simpler stuff like that by myself (Heynes manuals are so helpful) but right now there's a blockage in the fuel line for my car after sitting for 6 months while I was overseas. I know I'm not handling that myself so I'll get it to a garage eventually.

You start out small and work your way up to the big stuff. I'd rather not spend the money unnecessarily. There's a scrapyard where I go to get new brake shoes for my cars, costs me maybe $40 for a full set and spares to boot, then an hour getting them put on.

So long as you've got the time you can certainly do a lot of the work yourself. Some is just beyond me though.
 

Jonluw

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As technology advances, the level of insight into the relevant field needed to work with said technology increases.
It's a necessary consequence of more advanced machinery.

"50 years ago, when my computer stopped working, I could just dig out the motherboard and see which of the components were fried and change the relevant one. Now, computers are so advanced I have to take it to the shop to get it fixed. This is clearly a scam to rob me of my dear money."

If you want to have the luxury of driving technologically advanced cars, you're going to have to accept that it means you won't be able to work as your own mechanic.
If you so dearly want to drive a car that doesn't require loads technical knowledge and training to fix, you're free to buy an old car.
 

M920CAIN

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Well in some ways you can still work on the new cars, but the equipment you sometimes need to do so is price prohibitive. But yeah, the general consensus is that we live in a you can't fix it yourself society.