The Difference Between Acting and Adam Sandler

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Precious Pikachu

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I just think you need to watch Funny People. In the film he basically plays himself reflecting over his life as the buffoon. He may be rich and famous, but he thinks he's going to leave a legacy of just being some jackass.

I think also you need to look at Sandler's history as a producer. He's produced many of the films he's starred in (meaning that he's picking his roles) and also has produced some great movies besides (Grandma's Boy, anyone?).
 

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I'll just mention Funny People and be done with it. He can act, and so can Robin Williams and Will Smith. Smith broke out the funny guy persona with Ali, Williams never did and Sandler only slightly did. Don't pretend he can't act.

Edit: if you really want actors who can portray anyone, enter Robert Downey, Jr., Edward Norton, Brad Pitt (that's right, I said it) and Jeff Bridges.
 

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*sigh* ...this is just creatively and well composed whining, what are you trying to get out of this exactly? Educating the masses? Sorry but half already know, and half don't want to be taught, you'll very very very rarely find that one person who reads your proclamation and goes; "Wow, my life view just changed! Astounding!"

Posting this here... isn't a whole lot of food for thought, yes people suck at their jobs, and still get paid absurd amounts while the rest of us have to rage silently at the indignity of it all, Adam Sandler you are correct, and I'll come out and say it, is an over paid, slightly narcissistic, mongoloid and a discredit to the profession of acting. But frankly short of swinging into his hotel window with a knife clenched in my teeth there's not a whole lot I can do about it.

Liiife goess ooon and ooon... *rides off into the sunset*
 

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Hubilub said:
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Well then I can simply blame the criticism the OP is giving Adam Sandler on typecasting as well, since Sandler has also proven that he can at the very least act like something else other than what he's famous for.

Oh well, let's just settle this with that Arnold is awesome, typecasting or not.

[sub]Although I do think he's a douche after watching Bigger. Stronger. Faster.*[/sub]
I would hazard a guess that Housebroken Lunatic is not being entirely serious in his admiration of Arnie's acting skills. At least, I hope not.

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I'd say there are approximately three grades of actors.

Good actors are nearly always convincing in any role, and genuinely seem to person they are representing. Middling actors often have a limited range, and whilst reasonably convincing on their own, look like someone pretending to be someone else when on the screen the same time as a good actor. Bad actors can sometimes do one type of role okay which is probably being themselves, and pretty much never get the expressions and mannerisms convincing in any other role.
 

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brunothepig said:
...I know it may seem petty to some, but I disliike seeing people stating their opinions as if they're fact.
yeah but dude, I thought it's a given that anything said anywhere is always just an opinion unless it's referenced?


That's why if I were to say "Comedians can act and this thread is a pile of shit" it doesn't have any true grounding because I'm not backing up my claims so it's a given that it's an opinion.

Anyway, one comedian who can act is Jim Carey.

Adam Sandler can also act. Being in a movie is being an actor but that is a win by default. But I would say they are both good actors, maybe not always, but can be good actors at times.

Adam Sandler was good in the Wedding Singer - there are some scenes in this movie where it's clear he can act.

Jim Carey was good in The Truman Show - again there are some scenes where it's clear he can act. Jim Carey is a sick voice actor.
 

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ThePreshFrince said:
Edit: if you really want actors who can portray anyone, enter Robert Downey, Jr., Edward Norton, Brad Pitt (that's right, I said it) and Jeff Bridges.
Is it okay if I stick Leonardo Dicaprio in there with those guys too? He is, to be totally gay about this, "cinematic gold". :D
 

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captain_Bubblebum said:
ThePreshFrince said:
Edit: if you really want actors who can portray anyone, enter Robert Downey, Jr., Edward Norton, Brad Pitt (that's right, I said it) and Jeff Bridges.
Is it okay if I stick Leonardo Dicaprio in there with those guys too? He is, to be totally gay about this, "cinematic gold". :D
Sure, the list was by no means complete.
 

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Altough I am not going to defend Sandler's acting skills (god forgive), you are not looking at the true "heroes" of this "comedy" movies... The writers. There is little character to convey when they scratch the bottom of the barrel of SNK writers to make a 2 hours movie out of a single gag, which is not very good to begin with...

I am not defending Adam Sandler, but before we get to state the obvious, remember who came up with the idea of having him and Nicholson fight over some scrambled eggs as "funny" (and who bought that idea): Lorne Michaels...
 

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I would like to defend Sandler as part of a new trend in acting in recent times: Character acting.

For the longest time the mode du jour has been Method Acting: creating a character and having the actor conform to it (see: De Niro, Clooney, and others). In recent times, however, actors having become more and more public as celebrities, their personalities (and not their acting capabilities) gain greater and greater weight to certain casters. This results in character actors, who take a role and conform it to themselves. And some directors LOVE them for it.

Suppose we want an action hero. Who do you look at? Bruce Willis. Want an angry black man? Samuel L Jackson. The aloof mentor figure with a funny accent? Sean Connery. Crazy but funny? Johnny Depp. Want God, or the best damn narrator on the planet? Morgan Freeman.

This is called Typecasting: matching an actor with a role that comes to him naturally. Actors tend to either embrace or reject this, either concentrating on their talent to the point that their performance, while memorable and of good quality, is also one-note. Some actors tend to flip-flop between them, doing a particular type of acting for a while, then doing another type; see Robin Williams and Tom Hanks.

Then there's Sandler. He's a character actor. There's nothing wrong with that; that isn't what makes his performances agonizing. What makes them agonizing is that he's a BAD character actor.
 

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Squeaksx said:
I wasn't referring to Tarantino's Pulp Fiction in my post, but rather the concept of pulp fiction, it referring to low-brow, "pulpy" film and literature. As for missing the point, no, no I didn't. I read your OP. I do not agree with your OP. It strikes me that you are taking the stance of a film snob. I happen to be one who enjoys the b-movie, because those movies strive for the purpose of mindless entertainment. In those movies, it is unnecessary for characters to be well developed. Your example of Adam Sandler is an example of typecasting. Sandler plays himself, as do many actors and actresses in Hollywood. Sandler happens to use his character (himnself) to make b-comedy. You seem to be under the impression that these kind of movies should not exist, or at least that the characters in these movies shouldn't exist. I just disagree. Those films aren't claiming to be anything other than what they are: stupid, pulpy trash that can be extremely entertaining if you are in the right mindset.

I'm sorry, I didn't miss the point, I just take a different stance on the issue. One that, I feel, is vastly more open-minded than demoting b-movie actors to some alternate title than "actor".
 

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ThePreshFrince said:
captain_Bubblebum said:
ThePreshFrince said:
Edit: if you really want actors who can portray anyone, enter Robert Downey, Jr., Edward Norton, Brad Pitt (that's right, I said it) and Jeff Bridges.
Is it okay if I stick Leonardo Dicaprio in there with those guys too? He is, to be totally gay about this, "cinematic gold". :D
Sure, the list was by no means complete.
I can see Don Cheadle in this list. He's opposite Sandler in Reign over me where Sandler holds his own. So can Sandler be that bad?
 

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Jiraiya72 said:
TailsRodrigez said:
Squeaksx said:
I implore you to comment.
cite your source: http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/community/blog/19089
Wow dude. You actually went off for no reason, typed this into google, and found his same post..only to come back telling him to cite his own post? /facepalm
no, i was on that site, saw the article, and the date i read said it was from 3 months ago, and i found this, so i posted my comment, and i probably should have checked a little harder than 30 seconds.

you on the other hand, decided to read my post, then read the OP's post responding to me which was right after my post in an effort to try and make yourself superior by restating what i have already learned because of a misconception on my part. good job to yourself, for proving to me you need to make an observation that everyone already can see, and could care less about, just because you need to feel a little better about yourself.
 

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TailsRodrigez said:
Jiraiya72 said:
TailsRodrigez said:
Squeaksx said:
I implore you to comment.
cite your source: http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/community/blog/19089
Wow dude. You actually went off for no reason, typed this into google, and found his same post..only to come back telling him to cite his own post? /facepalm
in an effort to try and make yourself superior by restating what i have already learned because of a misconception on my part. good job to yourself, for proving to me you need to make an observation that everyone already can see, and could care less about, just because you need to feel a little better about yourself.
This is the definition of irony. The whole reason you pointed out he needed to cite sources was so you could feel better about yourself. There was no reason to have ever pointed that out.
 

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I have to say, I loved Adam Sandler in Reign Over Me and he did something completely opposite to his norm in that movie. Not great, but it was still a good performance in my opinion.
 

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MrGFunk said:
ThePreshFrince said:
captain_Bubblebum said:
ThePreshFrince said:
Edit: if you really want actors who can portray anyone, enter Robert Downey, Jr., Edward Norton, Brad Pitt (that's right, I said it) and Jeff Bridges.
Is it okay if I stick Leonardo Dicaprio in there with those guys too? He is, to be totally gay about this, "cinematic gold". :D
Sure, the list was by no means complete.
I can see Don Cheadle in this list. He's opposite Sandler in Reign over me where Sandler holds his own. So can Sandler be that bad?
No, but again, applied I.Q. and documented I.Q., a person's abilities is only gauged based upon how well and how often he uses them. So even if he can do it if he chooses not to (and forgetting all this typecast crap, he can choose, then he'll be judged it. Think of it like a report card, even if you have three A+'s and twenty D's your still going to get a shit grade.
 

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Rob schneider in... the stapler...


Rob schneider in diderdidertitwittely dunkedrurr. Rated PG13

just paraphrasing southpark.

Nothing new but I'm glad to read such a long article on the escapist forums.
 

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Jiraiya72 said:
TailsRodrigez said:
Jiraiya72 said:
TailsRodrigez said:
Squeaksx said:
I implore you to comment.
cite your source: http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/community/blog/19089
Wow dude. You actually went off for no reason, typed this into google, and found his same post..only to come back telling him to cite his own post? /facepalm
in an effort to try and make yourself superior by restating what i have already learned because of a misconception on my part. good job to yourself, for proving to me you need to make an observation that everyone already can see, and could care less about, just because you need to feel a little better about yourself.
This is the definition of irony. The whole reason you pointed out he needed to cite sources was so you could feel better about yourself. There was no reason to have ever pointed that out.
i like it how you removed the part that doesn't make it irony, because when i said i saw both articles and did not know the guy posting it here was the same guy, and the fact that i had what looked like the other one was made months ago, i kinda thought it was plagiarism, that is why i posted it, and now i am regretting it for having to talk to you.
 

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Acting has been twisted, devolved, and mangled into the form you see today in theaters. There are rare occasions of great acting, presented by actors with a true understanding of the emotional, physical, and logical traits presented in every performance. Then you get hacks, hacks who wouldn't know how to develop a character if they were given a character creation screen for each of their performances. I might strike a harsh note with some, but I don't think half of the modern actors that grace the screen are true actors, they're performers, comedians, theatrical individuals. I'd safely claim that half of the actors who have been within a movie release within the last year are not competent actors.

Lets start with a singular subject, Adam Sandler. Why do I say Adam Sandler isn't an actor? He never, ever, ever, ever does anything beside behave as himself (sometimes slightly exaggerated) being directed by a script, not acting. Case and point: Happy Gilmore, Big Daddy, I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry, Anger Management, and Billy Madison are all the same character! If you took out the story, plot, and lines from all of the movies and were simply left with Adam's performance there would be no discernible difference between the characters. They are all relatively short tempered, childish, somewhat clever, outgoing, and flirty, but not in an disrespectful manner (romantic interests only), and a tad awkward. The only time he's changed his character type is for Waterboy, and Little Nicky, and even those two characters are more or less the same. Sure he has more subdued, roles in movies like 50 First Dates and Click, but those simply seem like him being him in a normal setting.

Lets pick some opposition from a true actor, Robert Di Niro. This man is a true actor, he develops a character for each particular role, making the character complete with their own nuances: speaking manner, behavioral ticks, and reactions to external stimuli. They feel, look, and behave like complete people, yet each and every one of them is distinctly different from one another. Case and point (again): Leonard Love (Awakenings) and Travis Bickle (Taxi Driver). We'll start with Leonard: A child from the mid 1900's who turns catatonic before eventually be "awoken" by Malcolm Sayer (Robin Williams) in 1969. Both of the noted actors play parts that seem severely different from how they behave in real life, from Robin William's usual eccentrically outgoing and comedic behavior being toned down to a quiet, conservative, and almost reclusive person. Niro's character is childish, curious, chip, and more than a bit naive, obviously different from the behavior of Niro in real life. Even more important is that both of these characters are complete and believable, that's because, despite them being characters different from the person portraying them, they still pull upon the actor's rich emotional and intellectual repertoire, adding truth instead of cliche. Adam's character in both the The Waterboy and Little Nicky seem stilted, unbelievable, and hard to swallow.

In the past this issue was relatively minor, there were actors like Sandler, but they were not nearly as prominent as they are now. It seems that eye-candy and memorable mechanisms (Sandler is eternally guilty for this), take priority over actual acting.

I will clarify one point, just because I chose a comedic actor for the negative aspect doesn't mean I do not think that comedy can't also contain full and interesting characters. There are actors: Jerry Lewis, Tim Curry, and Robin Williams who can all play the bombastic comedic role that Adam strives for while still supplying a complete, identifiable, and entertaining character. It isn't impossible, but people like Adam Sandler, Rob Schneider, Owen Wilson, and Bernie Mac cannot pull it off without simply devolving acting into a stand up act, complete with repeated mechanisms, mannerisms, and trademarks.

I implore you to comment.
Well yeah thats the problem with actors these days, they do one part and people make them do it over and over again just different names. Take for example Will Ferral, Michael Cera, and Jared Leto. Will Ferral ever since snl has been the stupid adult. Michael Cera is always playing the awkward around girls guy. and Jared Leto is always a drug addict(but we love him for it ;])
 
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1. I highly doubt Adam Sandler is a dog in real life.
2. I love Owen Wilson. Especially in Wes Anderson movies. Yes, I know he plays the fundamentally the same character with the same accent every time, but its on purpose. Thats the thing I don't think you understand. If a director wanted Robert De Niro to play a dog he would get Robert De Niro to play a dog. There is a reason behind every decision the director makes. The director is not telling Adam Sandler to be anything other then Adam Sandler, and thats something I think you don't realize.
3. Again, it's all the director's fault.
4. I love Tracy Morgan. I bring that up because in the show 30 Rock, he plays Tracy Jordan. Tracy Jordan is just a complete exaggeration of Tracy Morgan. But it's hilarious. No one would ask Tracy Morgan to play Travis Bickle, because he is not capable of it, or nobody wants Tracy Morgan to do that. Robert De Niro was capable of bringing Martin Scorseses's (or however you spell his last name) vision to life, and that's why he was picked for the role.
5. Calm down. It's only the world.