The Doctor - Good or evil?

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Feline Jaye

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Actually, if we go with "die hard Doctor fans will defend him [as a good guy]" then I'm going to have to disagree. The first Doctor was almost explicitly a neutral character. So were most of the classic Doctor's - they had a rather ambiguous morality.

I was only in the last few (say, the last three or four) Doctors that he's started being 'the good guy'. And that's probably because producers don't think audiences will like anyone but a good guy as a protagonist.

That was one of the things I really liked about 11 - they brought him back to being more alien and more morally ambiguous.
 

Griffolion

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I think his understanding of morality (good guy or bad guy) is far more advanced than ours to the point where if he were to fully explain it, we'd not be able to comprehend it.
 

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TheDarkEricDraven said:
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But yeah, just look at that prick 10 and contrast him to 11, 8, or 5. It all depends on which Doctor your talking about. They are diffrent people.
Not sure how you can call Ten a prick while in the same breath saying that Eleven isn't. Eleven has ~happily~ orchestrated genocide on the Silence, candidly destroyed a fully manned space station just to prove a point, and generally seems to swagger about with reckless abandon and any semblance of a moral compass. Frankly I'm surprised he's survived as long as he has.
Remember when Ten killed all the Racnoss? CHILDREN included?
Remember the context of that episode though. Racnoss children are born starving, and that amount would have utterly devastated, if not wiped out, humanity. And if that had happened, none of the stuff involving humans in the future would have happened. And he knows that humans need to survive, since (I think it's in one of the comics) he says that there will be only three races left when the universe finally dies, and humans are one of them.

See, he's got all of the future and all of the past to think about. And add to that the fact that he knows (or has a general idea of) what's going to happen. And that knowledge is precisely what drives him to do the things that he does. And yes I know in The Waters of Mars he gets cocky and tries to rewrite history, though it is worth noting he is shot back to reality after that one girl kills herself.

Other than that though, I do agree with you about the Daleks. They do escape far too often.
 

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Griffolion said:
I think his understanding of morality (good guy or bad guy) is far more advanced than ours to the point where if he were to fully explain it, we'd not be able to comprehend it.
I understand where you're coming from but we've seen him wrestle a great deal with big moral decisions before and he seems to have as much trouble with them as humans would do.
 

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The Doctor is good and evil. It's always been the case that he helps where he can and stops evil where he meets it. But often the definition of evil and whether he did right is always questionable. As it should be.
If the character of the Doctor was some kind of space Jesus then it would take all the fun out of his character!

9 was more in the middle.
10 could be a goodie-two-shoes at times and a murdering genocidal maniac the next.
11 is just crazy and a little bit mental.
 

Korak the Mad

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Griffolion said:
I think his understanding of morality (good guy or bad guy) is far more advanced than ours to the point where if he were to fully explain it, we'd not be able to comprehend it.
Exactly.

The Doctor is basically good, but and he will do something that we may see as evil, just because we don't see things the way he does. He sees almost every possible outcome for a situation and will try to take the path that has the smallest amount of casualities.
 

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TheDarkEricDraven said:
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Other than that though, I do agree with you about the Daleks. They do escape far too often.
Thats the thing. He goes on about "No second chances. I'm that sort of man." but when its the Daleks (or the Master.) he's like "Take my hand!...Please? Just, come on, take my hand! Please? Why aren't you taking it?"

I think this sums up my complaint:



He's an inconsistent pyscopath.
I can actually understand about the Master. I mean, come on, he (the Doctor) is the last of his kind (or so he thinks until he meets the Master again), and he knows that if the Master dies, he will be truly alone. Not alone in the sense that there's no one around him, but alone in the sense that regarding the Time Lords, he's it. Once he dies, so does the one of the universe's oldest and most powerful races. Now I don't claim to be a shrink, but that sentiment alone would be enough to spare even the most irredeemable member of one's species.