The Elder Scrolls Future

[SadisticBrownie]

I really don't see there being enough "epic" to a war with the elves, They are, after all, just humanoid enemies, fairly mundane. As for the Dwemer, possibly the same, but there's definitely potential.
Personally, I'd love to see something to do with Akavir. An invasion by or against them, from the in-game books they sound incredibly interesting.

 

[SajuukKhar]

I really don't see there being enough "epic" to a war with the elves, They are, after all, just humanoid enemies, fairly mundane. As for the Dwemer, possibly the same, but there's definitely potential.
Personally, I'd love to see something to do with Akavir. An invasion by or against them, from the in-game books they sound incredibly interesting.

The Altmer have sunbirds, giant flying birdships made up of the sun.
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I could see the Akaviki under the leadership of Tosh Raka, the Akaviri name for Akatosh, coming and waging a war.

 

[Whateveralot]

Great idea. I hope it takes part in a slightly more colourful world then Skyrim. Not to say I didn't love Skyrim. I even loved the way everything looked, I just find it nice to imagine a really colourful TES-game. Hmm

 

[Bvenged]

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I would love to hear your theories about how the dwemer are going to un-merge their souls from a giant robot.

Also Blackreach is the mainbase of the falmer/where the falmer fought the Dwemer in the old days.

Their entire race was never used to become the soul of Numidium. In fact, Numidium [http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Numidium] was a running, working robot before the Dwemer disappearance. They disappeared after their de facto leader [http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Kagrenac] failed to make their race immortal using a spell and tools on the Heart of Lorkhan [http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Heart_of_Lorkhan], which was going to be used as a power source for Numidium, but never was. The Numidium in Morrowind does use the Heart, but it was a different Numidium to the one at the time of the Dwemers.

"Blackreach is an ancient Dwemer ruin located in The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. Blackreach is a colossal underground cavern found under the Tower of Mzark, filled with glowing mushrooms and Falmer. The cavern encompasses the area between three Dwemer cities-- Alftand, Mzinchaleft, and Raldbthar-- and connects them."

The very first paragraph to the wiki article, Blackreach [http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Blackreach]. It is a giant cavern spacing between a hub of three massive Dwemer cities. In-game, this is seen as the ghost city (the one under the giant golden globe) and outer complexes that contain little more than a room or two and some poor loot.

I'd love to hear your theories after reading that. Also, source your info or it is nothing more than speculation. I've read a fuck-load in the 2 wiki's of TES, and many of the in-game books. I'm always fact-checking myself so I try and avoid bullshit as much as possible.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Their entire race was never used to become the soul of Numidium. In fact, Numidium [http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Numidium] was a running, working robot before the Dwemer disappearance. They disappeared after their de facto leader [http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Kagrenac]. the Numidium in Morrowind was different to the Numidium at the time of the races' disappearance.

1. The Elder Scrolls wiki is a terrible source of Lore, most of it is fanon or unsourced, UESP or the Imperial Library are the ONLY places you should EVER get lore from. The Elder scrolls wiki says Akulakan was Anumimidum, when in fact Numidium was Anumidium

2. Numidium was NOT working before the Dwemer disappeared.


3. I know Akulakan in Morrowind is not the same robot as Numidium.

4. BETHESDA THEMSELVES said that is what happened in The skeleton man interview were a bunch of Bethesda devs roleplayed characters and explained about some stuff in Morrowind.
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/interviews-skeleton-man


"Ah. I will tell you the truth, because you will believe none of it. The Brass God is Anumidum, the Prime Gestalt. He is also called the divine skin. He was meant to be used many times by our kind to transcend the Gray Maybe.

The first to see him was the Shop Foremer, Kagrenac of Vvardenfell, the wisest of the tonal architects [Mechanists - MN] Do not think as others do that Kagrenac created the Anumidum for petty motivations, such as a refutation of the gods. Kagrenac was devoted to his people, and the Dwarves, despite what you may have read, were a pious lot-he would not have sacrificed so many of their golden souls to create Anumidum's metal body if it were all in the name of grand theater. Kagrenac had even built the tools needed to construct a Mantella, the Crux of Transcendence. But, by then, and for a long time coming, the Doom of the Dwarves marched upon the Mountain and they were removed from this world."

5. It was later confirmed by Michael Kirkbride, a Bethesda lore writer known as MK on the forums.
http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/482103-made-up-word-round-up/page__p__6918676#entry6918676

"Kagrenac was devoted to his people, and the Dwarves, despite what you may have read, were a pious lot-he would not have sacrificed so many of their golden souls to create Anumidum's metal body if it were all in the name of grand theater. Kagrenac had even built the tools needed to construct a Mantella, the Crux of Transcendence."

Okay. So now everyone can stop posting about where the Dwarves went. I TOLD YOU EIGHTY YEARS AGO.

Filthy with it, I am.

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"Blackreach is an ancient Dwemer ruin located in The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim. Blackreach is a colossal underground cavern found under the Tower of Mzark, filled with glowing mushrooms and Falmer. The cavern encompasses the area between three Dwemer cities-- Alftand, Mzinchaleft, and Raldbthar-- and connects them."

The very first paragraph to the wiki article, Blackreach [http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Blackreach].

I'd love to hear your theories after reading that. Also, source your info or it is nothing more than speculation. I've read a fuck-load in the 2 wiki's of TES, and many of the in-game books. I'm always fact-checking myself so I try and avoid bullshit as much as possible.

LOL the elder scrolls wiki is a TERRIBLE source of information. Seriously dont EVER EVER EVER use The Elder Scrolls wiki as a source for lore.


http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Falmer:_A_Study
But where the story of the ancient snow elves ends, that of the current-day Falmer begins. For when the snow elf host was shattered on that fateful day, it did not simply disperse - it descended. Into the earth, deep underground. For the Falmer sought sanctuary in the most unlikely of places - Blackreach, far beneath the surface of Skyrim, in the legendary realm of the Dwemer themselves.

Yes, Blackreach exists. I have been there, and unlike most of those who have witnessed its terrible glories, I have returned. And I now know the truth about the Falmer..................................But as is always the story with slaves and their masters, the Falmer eventually rebelled. Generations after they first sought solace among the dwarves, and experienced bitter betrayal, the Falmer rose up against their oppressors. The [sic] overthrew the dwarves, and fled even further down, into Blackreach's deepest, most hidden reaches.

For decade upon decade, the two sides waged a bitter conflict. A full-fledged and bloody "War of the Crag" that raged deep below Skyrim's surface, completely unbeknownst to the Nords above, a war whose battles and heroes must forever remain lost to our knowledge. Until one day, the war ended. For on that day, the Falmer went to meet their Dwemer foes in battle, only to find that the entire race had... vanished.
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Blackreach was were the Dwemer and Falmer fought their war.

 

[Sanat]

It can be about whatever it wants, I just want it to be HUGE. I'm looking forward to the day I get to walk all the way across Tamriel in one game. I'm looking for something the size of the TES2 except for not randomized. I'll wait ten years for it if need be. Let's do this.

Good LORD yes. Whatever it is, IT MUST NOT BE RUSHED. Someone serious about the quality of the game and the lore needs to be in control of the project. Fuck the industry, it's doing fine. The Elder Scrolls deserves better than pure overhead sales figures.

 

[Bvenged]

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Alright, I'm gonna' be a man and apologise, it seems the TES wiki is full of fanon and my own reading of the in-game books is misinterpretation and my own clouded judgement. I suppose I saw what I wanted to see in them, and not what was actually there; even if your own facts are more from interviews than information fed via the games.

But regardless, what's not to say a splinter of the Dwemer race are actually still around? I recall reading in UESP somewhere that the Dwemer were trying to get to Aetherius [http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Aetherius] at the same time they disappeared. While most of the race was destroyed, couldn't some of them have been "away" like Yagrum Bagarn [http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Yagrum_Bagarn] was?

And Blackreach seems like way too much an important place to have multiple elevators and be class as an outdoor area and contain the ruins of 3 cities, not to mention being a hub of the Falmer; just to pass through once and return to collect some Crimson Nirnroot. It's an ideal location to stage the beginning or entire setting of an EP.
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I am also aware of the Falmer backstory, but wasn't their war fought at Red Mountain at the time of the Dwemer disappearance? Or was Blackreach the site of the first war they had before they devised Numidium?

 

[SajuukKhar]

Alright, I'm gonna' be a man and apologise, it seems the TES wiki is full of fanon and my own reading of the in-game books is misinterpretation and my own clouded judgement. I suppose I saw what I wanted to see in them, and not what was actually there.

But regardless, what's not to say a splinter of the Dwemer race are actually still around? I recall reading in UESP somewhere that the Dwemer were trying to get to Aetherius [http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Aetherius] at the same time they disappeared. While most of the race was destroyed, couldn't some of them have been "away" like Yagrum Bagarn [http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Yagrum_Bagarn] was?

And Blackreach seems like way too much an important place to have multiple elevators and be class as an outdoor area and contain the ruins of 3 cities, not to mention being a hub of the Falmer; just to pass through once and return to collect some Crimson Nirnroot. It's an ideal location to stage the beginning or entire setting of an EP.

It IS possible a small splinter group of the Dwemer lives, but Yagrum's inability to find any since the Dwemer disappeared, 4,000 years ago, makes it unlikely.

Also if blackreach is part of a DLC it would be about going further down to stop some Falmer.

 

[Bvenged]

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It IS possible a small splinter group of the Dwemer lives, but Yagrum's inability to find any since the Dwemer disappeared, 4,000 years ago, makes it unlikely.

Also if blackreach is part of a DLC it would be about going further down to stop some Falmer.

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Yes, but it was thought no mortal could ever enter the plain of Atherius without dying, unlike Oblivion, and that nothing can escape Aetherius via conventional methods such as summoning or portal-out. The Dwemer were planning to get into Aetherius as living mortals and not deceased souls, researching a way at the time they vanished. Some could have succeeded.

We all also know what TES likes to do by fucking up the cannon. The Shivering Isles with you resisting madness and becoming a deadric prince... Closing the gates of Oblivion and returning. Stopping multiple evil gods and their plague-like concoctions. Causing the timeline itself to fuck up... What's not to say the Dragonborn can't tell the gods to sod off with their physical laws between the plains of existence and go the hell right into Aetherius using a device found deep in a city of Blackreach, meet some Dwemer, stop a bad god (because Aetherius is for the good gods, so to speak) then return clutching some awesome outer-realm loot?

 

[SajuukKhar]

To say that The Dwemer wanted to reach Atherius is technically incorrect, they wanted to un-make themselves, they wanted to return to the beginning place, before Anu and Padomey met, before there was Atherius, or Oblivion, or Mundus.

Furthermore The Dwemer were known to travel between the various realms and may have already gone to Atherius before, if some did up there I would think they would have returned already.

 

[Bvenged]

Yes, I recall reading about them going to many plains already but like I said, maybe a splinter group stayed as they thought of it as a paradise (though be it, an imperfect paradise). Aetherius is the ying to the Oblivion yang, so it would be a shame if the PC never goes there. So much Lore potential there as well, with all those Aedra.

 

[Anthony Wells]

Alright, I'm gonna' be a man and apologise, it seems the TES wiki is full of fanon and my own reading of the in-game books is misinterpretation and my own clouded judgement. I suppose I saw what I wanted to see in them, and not what was actually there.

But regardless, what's not to say a splinter of the Dwemer race are actually still around? I recall reading in UESP somewhere that the Dwemer were trying to get to Aetherius [http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Aetherius] at the same time they disappeared. While most of the race was destroyed, couldn't some of them have been "away" like Yagrum Bagarn [http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Yagrum_Bagarn] was?

And Blackreach seems like way too much an important place to have multiple elevators and be class as an outdoor area and contain the ruins of 3 cities, not to mention being a hub of the Falmer; just to pass through once and return to collect some Crimson Nirnroot. It's an ideal location to stage the beginning or entire setting of an EP.

It IS possible a small splinter group of the Dwemer lives, but Yagrum's inability to find any since the Dwemer disappeared, 4,000 years ago, makes it unlikely.

Also if blackreach is part of a DLC it would be about going further down to stop some Falmer.

Its also possible they could retcon their entire explanation about that. Until its done in game we will never know. DO NOT take this as me hoping they will..i hate retcons... have your damn shit straightened out before making something... I personally do hope they stay with their original explanation and keep it that way.


OT: i would love for them to set the next game across all of temriel during which you end up tied up in the second war with the aldmeri dominion and eventually will be forced to choose a side..... thats what I would love to happen in a next game...or as expansions to skyrim that would work too. Honestly i think it could be a great game if done right.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Yes, I recall reading about them going to many plains already but like I said, maybe a splinter group stayed as they thought of it as a paradise (though be it, an imperfect paradise). Aetherius is the ying to the Oblivion yang, so it would be a shame if the PC never goes there. So much Lore potential there as well, with all those Aedra.

The Aedra do not live in Atherius, The Et'ada do.

The Aedra live on, and are, the various planes that mortals see as planets, all of which are in Mundus, which is surrounded by Oblivion.

Furthermore we DO go to Atherius in Skyrim, Sovenguard is part of Atherius.

Also Atherius is not really that perfect, it is just a realm of magic

 

[endtherapture]

Furthermore at the end of the civil war Tullius, Ulfirc, and The Doavhkiin took the first steps into becoming Talos, the nature of the events as they happened in skyrim will most likely lead to a Dragonbreak were both ends to the civil war happened.

Lorkhan that is Akatosh, the son(s) of Sithis who is Anuiel, who are themselves the soul(s) of Anu and Padomey incarnate, who hides himself under the mask of Talos, used his avatars, Ulfirc, Tullius, and the doavhkiin, to replace himself the pantheon of gods, since his old form was failing.

Can someone explain this to me - I've seen peopl chatting about it but I can't see evidence for it in game or find any in depth explanations on the internet for it so I am just slightly confused.

 

[James Crook]

The return of the Dwemer? Great idea, we could even have a Steampunk setting for the Aldmeri Dominion's cities... Or maybe the Dwemer would themselves form a separate faction, hence causing the Second Great War to become a three-way conflict?

 

[SajuukKhar]

Can someone explain this to me - I've seen peopl chatting about it but I can't see evidence for it in game or find any in depth explanations on the internet for it so I am just slightly confused.

Long story short in the Es unvierse there is a process called mantling. Mantling, in simple terms, causes people to become other people.

Mantling is the process that turned the Champion of Cyrodill, the player character from Oblivion, into the Sheogorath we meet in Skyrim, despite that the Champion COULD have been an Argonian female.

Mantling occurs when a person performs a act of mythic importance that the person before him did, in the Champion's case it was foring his own Staff of Madness and sitting on the throne of madness like sheograth.

At the beginning of the mortal world Akatosh had Lorkhan killed and Magnus observed from the safety of Atherius.

This same act was performed by Tiber Septim, ysmir wulfharth, and Zurin Arctus when Tiber created the third empire causing them to merge and become Talos.

the roles that they filled are known as
-the general/Akatosh/tiber
-The Rebel/Lorkhan/Ysmir
-The Observer/ Magnus/Zurin

In skyrim's civil war we have
-2 generals, Ulfric and tullius
-2 rebels, Ulfirc agasint the Empire, and The Empire/Tullius againt the old nord beleifs
-An Observer, the Dovahkiin

At the end of the Civil war a General, tullius or Ulfirc, kills who they see as a rebel, the other, while the dovahkiin watches and in turn eaither create a re-untied Empire or a new indipendant Skyrim empire.

That Tullius, Ulfric and The Dovahkiin preformed the same actions, in creating a new/recreating the old, empire, which are also the actions that created the mortal world and the third empire means they have taken the first steps into mantling Talos.

 

[Murmillos]

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I would love to hear your theories about how the dwemer are going to un-merge their souls from a giant robot.

Also Blackreach is the mainbase of the falmer/where the falmer fought the Dwemer in the old days.

Since we know this is the type of game that can just make "any thing up" for a needed plot point...

Ok, so all of the Dwemer coming back..yea, that much isn't going to happen, but we could still get a large number back.

What are some in-game examples:
A off shoot Dwemer group weary of Lord Kagrenac meddling with the Heart, having heard his 'The Calling' and knew of the impending doom;

(A) use an elders scroll to perform "X". The 'Hero' finds the scroll whom is able to read it (1) and untrap the Dwemer from "X" spell.
or (2) and locate where the Dwemer went with said spell, and bring them back to current time.

(B) request a Daedric Prince to hide them in a plane/sphere. Largely un-meddled with, yet still trapped, the next 'Hero' convinces the Daedric Prince to finally release the Dwemer.

(C) create a stasis bubble freezing them in time. They had plan that their constructs release them in from status in X number of "normal" years, but due to a flaw in how their constructs "perceive" time, it would be nearly eons before they would be released. The 'Hero' is able figure out how to trigger the constructs to finally end the stasis bubble.

 

[endtherapture]

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I would love to hear your theories about how the dwemer are going to un-merge their souls from a giant robot.

Also Blackreach is the mainbase of the falmer/where the falmer fought the Dwemer in the old days.

Since we know this is the type of game that can just make "any thing up" for a needed plot point...

Ok, so all of the Dwemer coming back..yea, that much isn't going to happen, but we could still get a large number back.

What are some in-game examples:
A off shoot Dwemer group weary of Lord Kagrenac meddling with the Heart, having heard his 'The Calling' and knew of the impending doom;

(A) use an elders scroll to perform "X". The 'Hero' finds the scroll whom is able to read it and untrap the Dwemer from "X" spell.

(B) request a Daedric Prince to hide them in a plane/sphere. Largely un-meddled with, yet still trapped, the next 'Hero' convinces the Daedric Prince to finally release the Dwemer.

(C) create a stasis bubble freezing them in time. They had plan that their constructs release them in from status in X number of "normal" years, but due to a flaw in how their constructs "perceive" time, it would be nearly eons before they would be released. The 'Hero' is able figure out how to trigger the constructs to finally end the stasis bubble.

Can't the giant robot get destroyed in Daggerfall in one of the endings?

 

[SajuukKhar]

Can't the giant robot get destroyed in Daggerfall in one of the endings?

Yes, and it did, since all endings happened because of a Dragonbreak.

also I hope my explanation of mantling a couple posts above made sense.

 

[endtherapture]

Can't the giant robot get destroyed in Daggerfall in one of the endings?

Yes, and it did, since all endings happened because of a Dragonbreak.

also I hope my explanation of mantling a couple posts above made sense.

Yeah that's pretty logical really. Still don't believe Skyrim had a story as good as Morrowind or Daggerfall though.

TES Lore is mindfucking. Did ALL 6 or whatever endings of Daggerfall happen then?