The Elder Scrolls Future
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I completely forgot about the Psijic Monks. That would be a great idea. Combined with the Akaviri, it could invite a whole reversal on Skyrim's unease and prejudice towards magic - making plain warriors laughed at and mages celebrated as superior. The Akaviri have their star/light magic, which I was always interested in when exploring their ruins in Oblivion. We could get a whole new magic coming in, similar to Thu'um.WodashGSJ said:
How about some sort of new Alessian character, to unite Tamriel?
I really don't like that whole theory that everyone goes on about. I don't want to believe that my female Oblivion character whom I role-played as a good, pious and religious character ended up as a mad daedric prince.TizzytheTormentor said:
I'll point out that Jyggalag himself didn't know what it meant with you taking on the title of Sheogorath. He didn't know whether to call you mortal, or whether you'd somehow become a god from this. It's my belief that your character doesn't become a Daedra simply for releasing a Daedric Prince, but rather the title of Sheogorath is now more of a king than a Daedra. As such, when your character dies, someone is newly elected as the next Sheogorath, and because they're likely mad, may delude themselves into thinking they did all your deeds from Oblivion. Not only that, but the Sheogorath we encounter is a remnant from Pelagius' mind - so perhaps, it was a memory imprint from several years previously, before we entered Shivering Isles.
I hear Elsweyr, Valenwood, and the Summerset Isles being bandied around a lot. I think any of these are viable, although not so much the Summerset Isles with the Thalmor as they are now. Now, what might be interesting, and possible, for the next game... would be if they did all three of them at once. Three states? Three distinct environments? Lots of different cultures? HUGE World? Possible. Maybe they'll only do two. Probably, they won't do that. But it would allow a new direction, and I think it'd be pretty interesting. It doesn't have to be those necessarily, but a lot of interest has been expressed, so hey, why not?
Hammerfell would be a very interesting and exotic contrast with Skyrim. After all that frost, The Elder Scrolls could definitely do with a bit of a thaw out.
It would probably mean a ton of new creatures too, especially for the desert regions.
It would probably mean a ton of new creatures too, especially for the desert regions.
Actually the warp in the west made every possible ending true, so your ending didn't get invalidated, it was validated if anything.ardias014 said:
Furthermore Nerevar disappearing doesn't invalidate what he did, only what he could have done.
And finally the champion of Cyrodil is only sheogorath if you want him to be.
If you validate every ending it invalidates the choice you made.SajuukKhar said:
Killing the Nerevar and blowing up morrowind is a pretty definitive: Your choice doesn't matter.
In the Sheogorath quest in Skyrim if you pay attention he pretty much says hes the champion of cyrodil.
Wrong on every level. Validation =/= invalidation, making all endings valid does not make all ending invalid.ardias014 said:
Nerevar didn't die......
Actually sheogorath in Skyrim makes mention of commonly known things, and things related to the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves guild. Nowhere does he specifically say I am the CoC and had your character NOT done the DB or Thieves guild quests then YOUR character is not the current sheogorath.
Sorry Nerevar went missing under shady circumstances on an expedition to akivir, which means he probably won't show up in the series again.SajuukKhar said:
Validation of everything means invalidation because the choice you made doesn't mean anything because everything happened. The only games that truly validate choice are ones that actually import things from previous games like Mass Effect 2 and to some extent 3. In the ES series you can do all sorts of crap that doesn't translate into the newer games.
Also Sheo mentions that Martin Septim is his favorite emporer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z48mckXg5NA&feature=related about 1:15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z48mckXg5NA&feature=related about 1:15
I do wonder how they'll handle the civil war in the next instalment. I do hope they won't pull a Warp in the West. It was a cheap way to make every ending valid, and while they have handled it well enough I really don't wish to see it happen again.
I doubt Bethesda will use a save import feature, so either you will be in a place completely disconnected from the war, or they'll be very, very vague about it. Or maybe they'll pull a WitW anyway, we'll just have to wait and see.
As for the location, I doubt they'd set the new game in a place that is too alien(Black March, Summerset Isle, Elsewyr etc) I guess Hammerfell is possible and High Rock as well. I mean, just because it was in a game ages ago doesn't mean it can't be used as the new setting.
Whatever will they replace the Dragon Shouts with though?
I doubt Bethesda will use a save import feature, so either you will be in a place completely disconnected from the war, or they'll be very, very vague about it. Or maybe they'll pull a WitW anyway, we'll just have to wait and see.
As for the location, I doubt they'd set the new game in a place that is too alien(Black March, Summerset Isle, Elsewyr etc) I guess Hammerfell is possible and High Rock as well. I mean, just because it was in a game ages ago doesn't mean it can't be used as the new setting.
Whatever will they replace the Dragon Shouts with though?
The next TES will probably be on the next wave of consoles. So a question we have to ask is, why not do multiple countries? Imagine how amazing daggerfall would be with better than current gen graphics. I love the idea of Dwemer coming back and that mixed with more of the aldmeri dominion sounds amazing. All I want to do is play in multiple countries and play with all of the races
Disappearing after a trip to Akavir =/= dead. Furthermore the Nerevar going to Akavir was a RUMOR, just like how people thought Vivec was taken by the Daedra, when he wasn't. In reality Nerevar achieved CHIM most likely.ardias014 said:
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Actually in the ES series every single quest is assumed to be done, though not necessarily by you. Everything you do is validated because they will never tell you your wrong. You chose to support X faction in Daggerfall? you are correct. Did you ONLY do the mages guild? Did you do all the guilds? did you do this sidequest? You can never be wrong.
furthermore most things you do SHOULDN'T transfer into new games, Mass Effect handles it very poorly by treating every piss you take on the sidewalk as some giant world changing event, which is terribly unrealistic.
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So what if Sheogorath like Martin? I'm sure Dagon the Razor liked Queen Potema for being evil and destructive.
Liking a specific Emperor =/= Sheogorath being the CoC.
The Nerevarine is the reincarnation of Nerevar.Jynthor said:
You can call The Nerevarine by both names since they are the same person.
Yet the Nerevarine does not have Nerevar's memories or really anything that made Nerevar, Nerevar. The Nerevarine can even be a female Khajiit. Just because he/she is the reincarnation of Nerevar does not make it the same person.SajuukKhar said:
As for the Nerevarine going to Akavir, it's just a way to make sure Bethesda doesn't have to deal with any inconsistencies and so they can avoid making a canon Nerevarine. The beauty of TES is that you can imagine what happened to him/her.
The Nerevarine has Nerevar's soul, which contains all that is and was Nerevar.Jynthor said:
But you see The Nerevar didn't go to Akavir, that is a rumor.
given how vivec put the secret to CHIM in his 36 sermons, a book series he wrote specifically for the Nerevarine, it is very possible The Nerevarine achieved CHIM.
At least until MK writes a piece about Nerevar chilling with Talos and Vivec in CHIM world.Jynthor said:
Actually if I may leap in here:SajuukKhar said:
It seems plausable that when the Heart of Lorkhan and the Tools were used by Vivec and er... the other 2 to become gods that they were using the same gear as the Dwemner used to create Numidiem so it follows that as the powers of Vivec & co. waned it could be linked to the fate of the Dwemner.
Vivec has been a long time gone from the scene but the magic that kept the Ministry of Truth floating in the air has only recently failed which lead to the destruction in Morrowind.
Now the Elder Scrolls are revealed to basically be a quantum artifact that exists at all points in time (and one would imagine space) at once and we know that the Dwemner understood the nature of the Elder Scrolls better than anyone. We also know that the Dwemner had something approaching a gestalt consiousness. This last fact is important because it colours how the Dwemner think; i.e. all as one.
I would float that the original Dwemner plan was in fact to enter a quantum state similar to The Elder Scrolls. Perhaps it was a crucial step in their plan to create an iron God; the Divines (who made or used the Elder Scrolls, I forget which) presumably exist in such a state to be able to be divine and the creation of Gods, such as Talos or the ascension of Martin Septim as Akatosh, proves that it is possible for mortals to enter a quantum state.
I'm shooting from the hip a bit here so that may not be very coherent but I hope it makes some kind of sense.
The Dwemer had no such gessalt consciousnesses, they had a power dubbed "the calling" that allowed them to psychically communicate with each other, and even that is a SUPPOSED power whose only reference is in a work of fiction.Bertylicious said:
Also we know The Dwemer's plan, it was to un-make themselves from reality, to go back before Stasis and Change met, it had nothing to do with wanting to be like the gods.