The End of Sony?

[Casual Shinji]

No, this isn't the end of Sony or the Playstation brand. If Microsoft was able to keep the xbox 360 going strong even after all the bullshit that happened with the red ring of death (2 of my consoles died because of it), Sony can get through this.

Yeah, but the whole RRoD issue was slow and gradual.

What happend to Sony is like, if all the 360's that have ever RRoD'd culminating into one gaint cluster within the span of a week. If you have to endure a thousand razor cuts to the skin spread out over a time of 3 years, it's not as bad as having to endure them all at once.

 

[wooty]

Nah, I hope ths doesn't kill off the playstation, and why should it? Microsoft and nintendo need to competition really as the two consoles seem, to me, to be catering to the opposite ends of the market.

And besides that, the consoles (ps3, psp, ngp) are completely fine to purchase, use and enjoy. It's only the network that needs the overhaul, and if the stories I always read are true, then "no one ever really uses psn".

 

[Veldt Falsetto]

except that nintendo owns sega...

Wait what? Where did you hear this?

 

[nipsen]

This could have happened to anyone, it's not really Sony's fault. The hackers just chose PSN to steel card numbers from. Any large database that holds thousands if not millions of card numbers is a prime target.

..eh.. look..no. Sony made a mistake that may very well have cost banks and other businesses (along with their publishing partners) a lot of money. The mistake in connecting databases too easily could actually be criminal itself.

Sony then gave up no information - and then later, wrong information as well when deigning to inform their customers what happened. Which again can be criminal on it's own. Because there are ways to avoid damage from occurring after credit card information leaks - that rely on businesses being forthcoming with info.

So.. if you think Sony is going to come out of this without a punch to the head - think again. It's easy when you just run around shitting on the chest of some "hackers" and "hardcore gamers". Then "no one cares", and "most people" aren't affected.

But try that attitude with the law and the banks - oops. Sony isn't big enough to do that. And frankly, I wish Sony all that's coming to them.

 

[BabySinclair]

They'll come out of this alive, hurt, but alive. So they'll tighten up their security and come out with a formal apology to the masses and move on with a better understanding of hackers. There's been no confirmed cases of the credit card information being sold yet anyways, just speculation.

 

[nipsen]

Sony gave what information it had. If they genuinely knew that cards had been compromised and gave no information. Then that's a crime. That isn't what happened (as far anyone can prove.) and this class action lawsuit is going to fall flat on it's face. They pretty much covered this eventuality in the ToS.

Their database was using apache 3.3 as far as I'm aware. That's more than what is legally required to hold large amounts of card details.

...no! Look, you ba.. ...look. There are laws in place for businesses who use and store credit-card data. It's not impossible to accommodate this, in fact it's put there because it benefits all parties. This is one of those few areas that law actually makes sense (apart from the entire.. between countries thing) - because it's in everyone's interest that it should do so. With this comes very clear legal obligations for card information holders, and it has to do with ways to store the information, and ways to prevent fraud from happening. Beyond that, Someone is required to report breaches, and the extent of them.

It has nothing to do with Sony's "intentions", or whether they "knew" at the time. Completely immaterial. And the EULA will never supersede actual laws. That's just how it is, and what Sony had to accept after the geohot fiasco.

Why are people holding on to these things? The EULA could state that the firm requires you to donate your organs - it doesn't make it legal automatically even if there is no law specifically contradicting it. But existing law also trumps it. That's the way it is, that's the way it's going to be for the foreseeable future. Why is this difficult to understand?

Do you think they'd get away with writing in their EULA that "Sony may or may not give away your card-information to anyone at their leisure", and somehow escape a fraud-charge? Think again.

 

[MaaZeus]

Don't be so naive all of your life. There is NO ultimate hacker deterrent. If someone good enough really wants to get into something, they'll do it.

Maybe. But that is not the point. The point, to my understanding, was that Sony was very lackluster in their protection. The first line of defense was propably good, but after hackers got in they had everything on their hands. Not even basic encryption on personal information. (like address etc...) I may have understood wrong but if this is so then *facepalm*.


So basically this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aDqgeGvVLU

 

[Woodsey]

They'll give everyone some a few token freebies and that'll be that.

The class-action lawsuit won't get anywhere.

Um, last time I checked Sony didn't rely on PS3 sales exclusively. They make a lot of products.

No, this isn't the end of Sony or the Playstation brand. If Microsoft was able to keep the xbox 360 going strong even after all the bullshit that happened with the red ring of death (2 of my consoles died because of it), Sony can get through this.

Everyone seems to have forgotten the cluster fuck that was the first generation of 360's.

Actually their other markets collapsed. They rely on the PS3 now. However even that market is drying up fast. I predict around 1-2 generations left.

Err... are you sure about that?

 

[Th37thTrump3t]

No, if there is a new contestant in the console race, my money is on a company who hasn't made a console before.

My vote's on Valve!

OT: I highly doubt Sony will give up on the gaming market. Like people have already said, there have been companies and businesses that have recovered from a lot worse (ie. BP) and are now fine.

 

[Tulks]

Sony is far from over. They just need to buy a dog and close the curtains.

 

[psicat]

Sony will recover just fine. I just hope this stupidity of blaming Sony when it was basically the victim of a crime ends soon.