The end of the world as we know it?

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Zhukov

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You're looking at it backwards.

The world is not suddenly becoming more chaotic. Rather, it has been unusually peaceful since the end up the Cold War.

Just look at everything that happened in the 20th Century alone. If indeed things are going to hell in a handbasket then that's just the world reverting to it's default state after a brief lull.
 

SirDerpy

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NinjaDeathSlap said:
However, in just the last handful of weeks, Russia has to all intents and purposes invaded Ukraine (after annexing the Crimean Penninsula months ago), escalating a civil war in the east of the country to global crisis levels, and causing her and the NATO alliance to square up to each-other at a scale not seen since the end of the cold war.
Looking at it from a purely historical perspective, it ain't too bad, really. I mean, the Cold War was some serious shit, and we (the US and USSR) managed to restrain our nuke-boners for the entire span. I have my doubts that this will devolve into a crisis big enough to start a nuclear WWIII...but that's probably what Americans said about Hitler in the 1930s, so nothing's for certain. Still, it's unlikely.

Further afield, ISIS/ISIL/whatever we're supposed to call them now, had made unprecedented gains towards their goal of a Middle Eastern caliphate under Sharia law, having proven themselves a far better organised and equipped force than any the region has seen in decades, fracturing an Iraqi military that took a decade to formulate since the defeat of Saddam Hussein. US airstrikes may have paused their advance, but it's not a long-term solution, and now I'm hearing the possibility of ISIS negotiating an alliance with the Taliban further East.
The reason the US of A and other Western countries aren't stepping in and sweeping the floor with ISIS is because of economics. Global economics and politics is what's going to end the world, not some militant organization. The US probably cares more than any other non-Middle-Eastern nation about the crisis with ISIS. It still doesn't care enough to give a crap. It costs way too much money to airdrop a bunch of tanks and steamroll ISIS, so it ain't going to happen. So instead what it does is look at the other Western nations involved, like Britain or whoever (I'm not keeping up, so forgive me if I get it way off), and say "Hey man, you do it first, I'm right behind you." Except Britain probably also doesn't care enough to spend that much on dropping tanks. So all the guys with actual military power are hemming and hawing, trying to get each other to bankroll the anti-ISIS effort, while the people affected try to fight back with what little military they have.

Basically, the world's been going to shit pretty often recently, yeah, but it's still going to be stickin' around for a while. No serious threats to the world or anything, really. Just the usual human conflict. If anything, this is peaceful compared to the last 100 years. Nothing ever changes, really. Except for that thing with the UK. That's a pretty legitimate reason for feeling off. I wouldn't feel right if Texas announced its independence from the US all of a sudden.
 

Silverbane7

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what allways makes me wonder is...how many people forget the end bit.

as we know it.

the world 'as we know it' ends all the time. sometimes for silly little resons
'omg, the new doctor is so olllld waaaah' *wailing teen fan of dr who*
sometimes for real reasons. like the death of a loved one or the destruction of your home or life in general.

as we know it is a relative term sometimes.

but i allways console myself with the thought that, no matter how dumb humans get, no matter the shit we get up to, so long as we dont glass the whole planet over...*something* will survive and the world will go on.
maybe without us agrivating bipeds who have silly obbsessions with celebritys and sex and war....but it will go on. maybe the roaches will takeover, who knows.
cant make much more of a mess that we have, right?

oh, and thanks for the carrol of the old ones ^^ *goes back to playing clockwork empires and crashing alot*
 

Zontar

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Crime is at an all time low, poverty is at an all time low, quality of life is at an all time high, life expectency is at an all time high, we have more free time and more wealth then at any other time in human history, there are less wars and less peope dying in wars then there have been since the world population was below one billion, and the rate is lower then in recoarded history, I could go on all day but at the end of it the reason people think things are shit is because of a combination of new media coupled with short term memory lose at a national level.

For most places, things are quite frankly better then they've ever been, and in most of the world things are only improving. Hell, it's gotten to the point where most social movements are fighting internally because the things they where created to fight no longer exsist as problems.
 

Moeez

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The world isn't going to shit, tanks aren't rolling into your sheltered UK living. Just the bad things are getting reported more often towards you because of the internet and media reach. You need to grip some facts. Maybe you need to watch the news less if it affects you in such a way. As someone in the UK myself, you are sounding very hyperbolic if you think Scotland getting independence means UK doesn't exist anymore. Has any of this affected you directly?

The world you grew up in? Haha. How can you compare your worldview today to when you were a kid, when you ignored most of these news events and didn't have any insight into what was happening, and rely more on nostalgic selective memories of the world back then?

You are sounding like out of a cartoon lol
 

PsychoticHamster

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While currently there does seem to be a lot shitty things going on, I don't think as a whole the world is getting worse. It's far more likely that we're just being exposed to more of these events than before and I think that's partly because we as a society have decided to much closer scrutinize what goes on in non-western world countries.
 

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Moeez said:
you are sounding very hyperbolic if you think Scotland getting independence means UK doesn't exist anymore.
The United Kingdom is a political union created after the end of the Tudor dynasty, when the then separate kingdoms of England and Scotland unified under one government. Wales and Ireland were never part of that particular equation, as they were already under English control at the time and didn't have their own independent monarchy or parliament. So yes, if that link between England and Scotland is broken, the United Kingdom ceases to be. Great Britain will still exist, because GB is a geographical boundary rather than a political one. Perhaps, before you tell me to "grip some facts", you should stop making assumptions about me and brush up your own knowledge of what I'm actually talking about.

How can you compare your worldview today to when you were a kid, when you ignored most of these news events and didn't have any insight into what was happening, and rely more on nostalgic selective memories of the world back then?
Perhaps because I didn't ignore the rest of the world when I was a child? I watched 9/11 happen live on TV when I was 7 years old, and with only very few exceptions I've tuned in to the news at least once for every day of my life; and any events I experienced that I didn't quite understand the gravity of over time have come back to me as my life has gone on. I'm also something of a history nut. This is why I made a point of mentioning in the OP, that it's not like I only opened my eyes for the first time yesterday. I know that if you look back through the history of the preceding century, you'll find a litany of war, famine, disease and other upheavals, always happening somewhere at some time. The world is permanently shifting and never truly 'peaceful'. That, however, is the state of the world when looked at over a century. I'm talking about just how much appears to have gone wrong in the space of a few short months.

No, tanks are not rolling across my front garden, and things would have to get a lot worse from here before I'd expect them to. However, I don't think that means I have no reason to be concerned. Many British citizens have been recruited by ISIS, for example, likely including the individual responsible for the beheading of James Foley and Stephen Sotloff. Just because these things are happening a long way away from me geographically, doesn't mean that they aren't part of a trend that stands to negatively impact my life. This isn't the end times, and I'm not claiming it is. However, if the world is changing, I'd rather not just assume that I'm going to be one of the lucky ones who gets to emerge unscathed from it all, just because nothing drastic has turned up on my doorstep so far.

Here Comes Tomorrow said:
Hell, assuming you're English you should be FOR Scottish independance. Scotland is a massive drain on England's economy.
You may be right. However, the balance of practicality aside, the push for independence concerns me more on ideological grounds. How are we supposed to move forward as a species if we keep dividing ourselves, focussing on our differences over our similarities? The world is becoming more interconnected than ever, and national borders are beginning to mean less and less. Personally, I feel this is a change for the better, but political movements who want to draw bolder borders, and become more insular, are going against the grain and will hold us all back as a result.
 

Canadamus Prime

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In the sixties people lived under the constant threat of a nuclear holocaust, I think we're doing relatively good right now. Bad shit like this has gone on in the world all the time, it's just access to news and information is much greater than it has ever been before. Although if you're just coming into adulthood now you probably don't remember a time before the Internet where the only sources of news were newspapers and the news at 6 and 11.
 

Saltyk

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I always find this sort of thinking to be naive. The world isn't really any worse than it was 10 years ago. Or even 20 years ago. This always seems to be a common thought of older people. They seem to think that things were better before. When they were kids. Things were so much simpler and better then.

Well, no fucking duh. You were a kid. So you didn't know the things that were going on in the world. You were protected from it by your parents. You didn't know anything that was going on in the world, nor did you care.

Here's a short list of things you missed:
~The Cold War
~The Gulf War
~The Soviet War in Afghanistan
~The Bay of Pigs
~The Civil Rights Movement
~The Holocaust
~The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki
~Pearl Harbor
~Sinking of the Titanic
~WWI
~Several civil wars in several different countries
~The Crusades
~The Black Plague
~A meteor that wiped out most life on the planet.
~Blood Diamonds

Oh, and 99% of the species that have ever lived on the planet are extinct and we had nothing to do with any of it. Things are no worse than they have been before.

Yes, some things are bad right now. ISIS is a horrible group that needs to be eliminated. Russia seems to be performing an experiment in Double Think to do things and convince everyone that they aren't doing those things. Planes have crashed and been shot down. But that doesn't mean things are actually any worse than they have been. That might not seem like a good thing, but it's kinda reassuring. No matter how bad things are, the world keeps on and things do get better. And you always have family and friends, so look to them.
 

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It all depends on the time scale by which you look at things. Looking back on the last, say, 6 years, then yeah, 2014 is the year when the shit keeps hitting the fan. Looking back the past 15 years, 9/11 and the Iraq War anyone? Going back 30 years or more, and you'll have countless conflicts, disasters, epidemics and the like to compare this year to. I'm willing to bet that this year is just slightly above average in terms of shitty things happening. That doesn't make the idea of a new Cold War or ISIS gaining new ground any less frightening though.

We young people are more inclined to see things this way, because we've never seen things go this bad globally (or rather, had the media paint such a bleack picture of today), but those in their 40's will probably see things differently. The world has its ups and downs.
 

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It seems that for every positive news story, there are 2 that are pretty damn bad. We have the ebola outbreak in Africa, the plane crashes, IS advances, the Ukrainian civil war and how Russia is involved, and then there are more close to home topics like how a woman was beheaded in her own garden in London a few days ago. The world isnt going to end any time soon, but it is definitely bad, pretty damn bad indeed. There are a lot of situations that can be easily handled, but there are a lot of situations that are exceedingly volatile and could erupt into something much, much worse.
 

IamLEAM1983

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Compared to previous eras, we're actually far more peaceful than we've ever been. The difference is Mass Media tosses everything in your face at the exact moment it happens, so you realize shit's getting real on a simultaneous level. That, consequently, feels like a lot to take in. If you're being objective, though? Nothing's going on that even remotely qualifies as an "endgame" scenario.

That said, there's about two dozen "endgame" scenarios playing out every few weeks, if you listen to some of the more alarmist people and/or groups online. In my lifetime alone, I've seen the Order of the Solar Temple sect plan mass suicides, I've seen the pre- and post-Y2K software paranoia and I've seen the whole Mayan Apocalypse kerfuffle.

We're still around, and there's always going to be people ready to reinterpret Nostradamus' verses and basically go "Hey, we were wrong! The end of the world's not coming in two weeks, it's coming in two centuries!"

As to why, it's because this whole Doomsday stuff is arbitrary and depending on whether or not you're talking about the end of the world as defined in mythology or religion, or the end of the world as defined in terms of political and cultural ideologies.

Consider your concerns, for instance, and I'm sorry if I sound temporarily unsensitive, but really? Really?! Scotland and Ireland have nationalist groups, views and potential aims and that somehow threatens the UK?!

The cure for these fears is pretty simple. Look back to the past. You'll realize things have changed. The UK used to be a fairly small Medieval nation, the Enlightenment extended your reach, the Industrial Era saw Britain actually become the United Kingdom you're familiar with, at least in terms of nomenclature. It used to be far bigger than you're used to. Consider Hong Kong's fairly recent secession from the British Crown, for instance.

No country's borders or boundaries is ever set in stone. Things change over time, even if takes centuries. If Scotland were to secede, practically nothing would change. The region might lose some British tax breaks or post-tax collection windfalls, but going independent is something that needs to be planned, something that has to come with a set of contingencies. What would be left of the UK would have to plan as well, seeing as Scotland going bye-bye means less tax money in the country's pockets - at the trade-off of less people to support.

So are things really going to shit, politically? Not particularly. Today's wars are bloodier than ever, that much is true, but they're also shorter than ever. The point of war gets across faster than ever. That explains how the Kim dynasty's intimidation tactics don't scare anyone. Telling Washington you're going to go Hiroshima on its ass because it's being a poopyhead might have worked in the fifties. It absolutely won't work now.

Plus, consider your age. I'll assume you're fairly young - either as old as I am (I'm 31) or somewhat younger. You're smack-dab in the politics of *your* era, just as we all are in our respective age ranges. All that goes on obviously is going to feel pivotal and serious to you; but try bringing your concerns to someone who's lived through WWII, or even the nineties' kerfuffles with Iraq. You'll realize there's a ton of people out there who have seen the same, or even worse.

If you want to be philosophical about it, though, the world *is* ending. It ends every evening and restarts every morning. Every day is its own little thing, and someone's ordinary Cheddar Macaroni dinner evening is someone else's life-shattering or life-ending horrific set of circumstances. That can't be helped.

So... Live and let live. Control what you *can* realistically control, and that involves voting and making your voice heard. Past that, you have to live with the knowledge that there's just so much going on out there that you will *never* be able to fully grasp. Ever.
 

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The world may come to an end, but we'll still leave on.
But let's feel free to keep the pants off.

The two decades of peace are over, and I think it's an awesome time to be alive.
 

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It's a darkly scary thought that, as you read this, there is at least one person on this planet that wants you dead.

The world went to hell when we invented the wheel. Only difference between now and then is that now we have more coverage of it.
 

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Me55enger said:
It's a darkly scary thought that, as you read this, there is at least one person on this planet that wants you dead.

The world went to hell when we invented the wheel. Only difference between now and then is that now we have more coverage of it.
True - but not necessarily more ability to cause destruction.

My poor multiplayer shooter skills can translate to me being told to fuck off and die about a dozen times per CoD sesh - which is why I almost never play CoD - but nobody's especially able to reach out across the ether and end my life because I've had the gall of bringing a subpar game plan to self-styled "serious" gamers.

People are turning cruder and generally more sociopathic, but that's only because there's nothing or anyone around to more or less poke on their shoulder and go "S'cuse me? You're being a huge dick, right now."

Lessened accountability means stupidity, plus poor life choices. Sadly, Facebook posts don't seem to generate accountability, much less wanting to actually own up to what you said or did in (virtual) public.
 

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Generally speaking, the world is more peaceful now than it has been at any time since civilization began. The difference is that 500 years ago no one knew what was happening on the other side of the world, hell most people didn't know what happening outside their own local community. The fact is humans live longer lives than ever before, the global quality of life is better than ever, and war and oppression are at all time lows.

The only thing that is different now is that we have a 24 hour stream of information recounting every horror in excruciating detail. We are bombarded with bad news nonstop. Every time anything bad happens everyone in the world knows about immediately, and since the world is pretty big and chances are something bad is happening somewhere at all times, it seems like everything is horrible all the time.
 

drummond13

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This is the way the world has always been. Always.

The only difference in the last few decades is that the internet has allowed us to be even more aware of all the bad stuff going on in it. But there's nothing new here.
 

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NinjaDeathSlap said:
Perhaps, before you tell me to "grip some facts", you should stop making assumptions about me and brush up your own knowledge of what I'm actually talking about.
You got me there, but I wasn't telling you to grip facts about UK or Scotland, just about your skewed worldview. Yes, radicalised Brits (and from other nations) went into the ISIS thing, horrible stuff but there are deprogramming therapies and rehabilitation for those misguided people who thought they were fighting for a worthy cause and didn't realise mass killing was not really their fancy as they come back to the UK or Denmark [http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/09/denmark-introduces-rehab-syrian-fighters-201496125229948625.html] (treated more leniently over there). You can still be concerned for things that won't affect you, but to come to the conclusion that the world has gone to shit seems like the wrong thing especially as you're a history nut. You might just be experiencing a bit of learned helplessness [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness] which is a common thing among regular news consumers.

How can you say you don't claim it's the end times when you start off with "The end of the world as we know it"? heh