I can't believe I am going to ask this but I must. Show me the post. Who have been saying "wipe out men and white people" and blah blah.Mister K said:
Slow the insults down too. This is a debate not Uni.
The "Family Values" trope.
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Slow the insults down too. This is a debate not Uni.
Really? Never seen a dissenting view in any of those topics? And you've never seen topics about how women should be kept in their place or how minorities are destroying the fabric of civilization? You must not spend any time on the FOX News forums.Mister K said:
And of course you're not talking about this site, because this and any other reasonable forum would shut that bullshit down right away, which is why it is so amusing that this is where you decided to bring it.
OK on the insults.Parasondox said:
Not OK on the showing of posts, because I don't make a screenshot of everything I see.
If you wish, you may assume that I have never seen such posts. Or you can go to Tumblr, or Facebook and try to find it on your own. No, I won't do it myself, because I am not only a primitive monster, I am also a lazy one.
Your arguments are reasonable.mduncan50 said:
I, as you say, brought it here... Hmm, why, actually? Oh, right I remember now. I did so because some people in this thread started shitting on the concept of family and it ticked me off. One thing left to another, I started to correlate this left notion with other radical left notions and here I am.
Here is the thing. You said THIS site. Tumblr and Facebook and other social media sites are, well, other sites with there own toxic fan base. You said you saw threads here. Here meaning the Escapist.Mister K said:
Keep deflecting. Just remember that as soon as aggressive is shown, you will be challenged to opposing views and debate.
Nope, it was , if I were to use your language, an attack on the same assholes as right wing has, only left ones. Because, judging by their comments and posts throughout the social networks and such, you can't really be a modern progressive person if you aren't someone not white, male, etc. In case you did not notice, I disagree with both radical lefties and radical righties.Parasondox said:
This is a post where I first mentioned comments on social networks. No mention of the Escapist. Don't put words into my mouth.
- Anywho, back to family. How important is it to you? - asks Parasondoxmduncan50 said:
- Are we talking the family you're born into or the family that you build around you? Because the former is bullshit - Mars Atlas
www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/18.937520.23621469
While I understand that their situation may be different from mine, calling a family bullshit, because it implies connection by blood is bullshit in itself.
Did you read Mars Atlas' post? They brought up a personal reason why they felt that way about 'family'.Mister K said:
You know what? You are absolutely correct. Right. Not in the wrong. I guess I have too many bad things happening in my life and this thread had such a problematic topic. Guess it all spilled on my pants and on every person nearby.undeadsuitor said:
It's the norm nowadays for a thread to go tits up within the first page. Hello, make a joke thread, about War on Porn, and for some reason that creates a storm.undeadsuitor said:
You cherry pick half of a sentence from what Mars Atlas said and thus try to make it look like she is just a hateful liberal extremist, when you could just have easily included the rest of the line paragraph:Mister K said:
but that would show that she has very valid reasons to feel this way about her own family, and thus not fit the narrative of the "Conservative Under Fire" that you seem to be so hellbent on making for yourself.Mars Atlas said:
I did, that is why I mentioned difference od situations. It, however, does not excuse shitting on a concept just because of their own personal case.Parasondox said:
You don't start hating on black people if you were mugged by one black person, right? Of course not. Well, ok, dumb people do, but that's not the point.
It, however, does not excuse shitting on a concept just because of their own personal case.mduncan50 said:
You don't start hating on black people if you were mugged by one black person, right? Of course not. Well, ok, dumb people do, but that's not the point.
If you're going to try and use someone's words to attack them, or someone else, the bare minimum is to at least quote that person. The best you can do is at least show what they said, with enough surrounding words to make the context in which they said it clear. For example...Mister K said:
His point, as I'm reading it (Feel free to correct me, MarsAtlas) is that blood relations are worthless because it in no way guarantees acceptance, good behavior, and a loving connection. And in that, I'm in agreement - Connection through DNA is horse shit. If two people are connected by blood, and there's respect and love between them, great; If there's nothing but hate and bile between them, fuck'em.MarsAtlas said:
And really, respect and hate based on blood is just dumb. I love my parents because they raised me well and love me, not because I share a bit more DNA with them then I do with the rest of the human race, by a pathetic margin (What is the differentiation between two unrelated humans, 0.0001%?).
Errr...Hate to be "that guy", but:mduncan50 said:
Which IS kinda shitting on the concept of family, although at least it's for understandable reasons (Seriously, I don't know how I would be able to live with my family hating me because of some arbitrary bullshit).MarsAtlas said:
Anyway, having read most of this topic, I think you're jumping WAAAAYYY too hard on Mister K here. Having read his initial post, he does not come off as some bigot or hater.
At worst, he's one of those "My life is fine, don't make a big fuss about stuff that doesn't affect me" guys. Which, YES, is a bad thing, but it's nowhere near the same as someone who actually is trying to crush people's right because they're some hateful prick.
And I SERIOUSLY hope you're not saying the "I haet all them whiiite cis men they shuld die" people aren't out there. Because they are. Fortunately, 90% of them are confined to Tumblr blogs, like the insane tiny minority they are.
Actually on that note, why the HELL are you even going on Fox News forums?! No one there will listen to anything other than far right wing madness, and of course there's going to be bigoted assholes on there, that's the whole audience fox news is after! You'd have better luck getting a baked potato to change it's mind than someone on a fox news forum! Same thing for youtube comments, I rarely ever bother scrolling down anymore, so much of it is trolls and assholes.
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Now, that being said,
Mister K, for any kind of social change, there NEEDS to be anger and yelling and stuff that makes a fuss. Because otherwise, the majority of people who are not affected by the problem will never get around to fixing it, because it's "not their problem" and "Well, I'm fine, so everyone else should be, right?"Mister K said:
It's a logical state of mind that we settle into. I'm a straight white male Canadian living in an upper middle class family and I've rarely ever been left needing/wanting, so I never realized the issues that gay/trans people have had to put up with until they made a big enough fuss that it came to my attention. I also have to remind myself whenever I get frustrated how damn privileged I am to have a meal I don't particularly like on the table when there are people out there starving or enslaved or rummaging in the trash for food.
It's natural to slip into just taking our lives as the "standard" and feel like if we're fine, then the world is fine. Because our worldview is limited to what we can see and experience. As a result, we need to consciously make ourselves aware that others may not have it as good as us, and we should take steps whenever possible to help them reach that point too. Or at least we need to be conscious of how damn good we have it.
That said, the majority of the actual off-the-wall radicals need to get some damn perspective. If I ever meet one in real life, I will tell them so, and if they don't like it, they can go do something very rude to themselves.
NOW, one thing I want to make clear though:
I DO hope you realize this makes you look bad, as it implies that handicapped/autistic/trans/gay kids aren't people. The last bit offsets this as it implies you don't care what they are and are fine with it, and you just hope not to have kids that are somehow a blend of everything in some weird too-movie-like-way, but it still carries the VERY bad implication either way for people who don't take the time to REALLY look into it.Mister K said:
Same deal here. It looks like you're saying "Hey, the minority shouldn't be able to dictate policy at all" which means that they can't make sure they aren't discriminated against. The minority usually NEEDS to make a big fuss to get the majority to pass the laws that are going to protect them.
Are you talking France? Because I'm pretty sure the revolution (while shitty as all hell) was kinda required, since if I remember my history right, a huge segment of people were literally starving to death while the nobles got away with everything they wanted. That tends to make people go "fuck it, if I'm going to die slowly like this, I might as well take out the asshole screwing me over and die making things better for everyone like me".
Revolutions usually don't happen for no reason. They either happen because a lot of people are suffering terribly and they have no legal channel to change that so they get violent, or when some power hungry person tries to make a grab for the throne.
If the people in power SAW the revolution brewing and addressed their concerns, a lot of it would deflate. People generally don't want to rock the boat unless they're already in the water and drowning.
~Sincerely, someone who ALSO hates zealots.
Seriously, zealots ruin everything, from the undertale fandom, to religions, to goddam starcraft murdering all my zerglings and- *trails off*
Your example in no way compares to hers. She didn't say that all parents are like hers, or even that all families are like hers, but simply that the idea that just because you are born into a family you will receive nothing but love and support (again, the Cleavers example of "Family Values") is not a true one, and gives a compelling example of why. She didn't attack your family, or say that yours is any worse because of hers.Mister K said:
My issue was initially with how he was portraying himself as a victim that society was forcing into a same sex marriage and having a special needs kid. We see all the time how bigotry is justified by people that are trying to say how minorities are trying to force their lifestyles onto them, when we know it is the exact opposite that is actually occurring.aegix drakan said:
His arrogance just kinda egged me on from there, so sorry if I let it drag me down too far.
Oh and as for Fox News forums, sometimes I'll see a link to something from a new aggregate site and I can't help but be suckered into the whole "how the hell are they going to justify this" trap.