The Felicia Day/Destructoid situation

[IceStar100]

Holly wood is full of acters and actress in restruants who are never infrount of camra or who do theator. She's infrount of a camra becuase she pretty.

If that was all it took, there would be a lot more successful actresses than there are.

(And if it was required, character actors would not exist.)

Paris Hilton and the Kardashions even Jersy shore all beg to differ. They are infrount of the camra and have no real talent beside being train wrecks. The actress who plays bloodrayne or even the resident evil movies. Thier not great but they still get work. One becuase she's the wife of the director and he married her becuase he though she was pretty.

Yeah they might have skill but thier looks get them in the door. I promise thier much better actor then some of the robot who are in some movies. People who can play many chators but never will becuase there only 5s vs other who are 10s but play the same part in every movie.

 

[Clearing the Eye]

There are a lot of celebrities who claim to be into gaming that I could see this directed at, but Felicia Day actually knows her stuff. Even then he was a complete dick about it.

Jeez, between this, Spoony, TotalBiscuit... am I missing Rage Month?

Yes you are, asshole! Now get in here and start raging!

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OT: Unemployment is never a good thing, but I am finding it hard to muster any sympathy for him beyond that. From what I've found via Google, it seems like a case of things catching up to a mouthy dude :/

Hopefully the people involved can settle down a tad and work things out. It's entirely too much negativity for the sake of mostly idiotic Twitter ramblings.

 

[Vault101]

Being a dick is kind of par for the course on Destructiod.

Point. Do you have one?

Would have thought it was pretty obvious. If being a dick is par for the course, than it's silly when they get rid of someone for it.

1. your speaking as if this is a real and well known prequisit of destructoid writers (like its on the contract)...rediculous

2. thats the only thing I said, you messed up the quotes, I never said any of that other stuff

 

[Clearing the Eye]

I am just confused as to how someone being a dick and insulting someone on Twitter has generated such a response. Seriously, all Twitter does is cause stupid drama.

Nah. The small percentage of people that use it to start fights and the such are simply much more vocal than the millions using it to keep up with friends and the such throughout the day. I mean, no one is going to talk about how Timmy posted a Twitter update saying he was in the are and might drop by Sara's house later if their other friends wanna join them. Like anything, the loud minority make the whole thing look bad (see: religion for a great example).

I'm pretty sure there's been more than a few cases of protesters using Twitter and other social media like Facebook to discuss issues and organize rallies and stuff in countries where getting a group together to protest the government is basically illegal.

It's all about perspective ^^

 

[Vault101]

Now, I don't know if that actually applies to her, just saying that what the guy said isn't invalid in and of itself.

I've already said this, but I'll say it again

if I were to say "are you fucking retarded!?" <-do you think I'm geniunly curious as to weather or not you ahve an intullectial disability? no, I'm being an ass

same thing here, he was being an ass regardless of weather or not his assholery was gender related

and I'm going to stick my neck out further and say your phrasing

[quote/]I always kinda assume that they can't get any pussy, so they kind of go nuts over pussy that might seem semi-obtainable...[/quote]

and

[quote/]ooth babe thing isn't automatically without merit. A booth babe is essentially a piece of ass that is paraded around to get people to look. It could very well be that she is doing this herself, sounds plausible to me[/quote]

EVEN THOUGH

[quote/]I'm going to admit, I don't know this Felicia Day, I've heard the name, but I don't really know who she is[/quote]

kind of goes to show the "girls + gaming = glorified booth babe/fake" (the vibe peopel got from his tweets) is...as you say..not without merit

EDIT: erm I ment that people generally having an unhealthy attitude in regards to females...

 

[johnnnny guitar]

I was fully hoping that she would respond because she is basically a glorified booth babe with a bunch of rabid fans that countless websites, games and other things try to pander to.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

Nope not at all.

Remember MTV cribs back in the day? Practically every celebrity talked about playing Xbox with their friends and such, this was fine. None we're going out of their way to be a part of gaming culture, acting like any sort of authority on it, or stating that they played Xbox to increase their fanbase.

Also, nah, plenty of talent writers and artists in the gaming industry don't give two shits about gaming -- it's just a job to them.

Jennifer Hale has been in a ton of games because she is an incredibly talented voice actress. She has never pandered to the gaming audience, hell, the first we really heard from her was ala ME.

Felicia Day is significantly less talented, but gets work and featured at expos because of notoriety she gained via gaming communities and her niche audience of gamers that put her on a pedestal because she's "female gamer".

What amuses me about this is that you're still saying you think she's lying and not a "real gamer" and that she doesn't deserve the spotlight that she has. Fine, that's your opinion, but you also seem to be missing a key point, which is the very fact that she's reaching out to the gaming community as a persona that she's being embraced.

I think you are missing the point of the person you are quoting. See the big thing about quotation marks is that the meaning usually means something different than what you actually think it is. To which you think the person is saying the Day is lying to her fans that she is a gamer.

But the problem here really is the word "gamer" which honestly gets thrown around and honestly really shouldn't hold any meaning at all. You see the term "gamer" is actually a simple marketing term that usually gets adopted by communities that use it as a way to legitimize themselves in what they actually are, hobbies. When you describe yourself as a person who "is" something it gives off the appeal that they are more legitimate or authoritative in a subject of discussion where no one can dissent as they are the end all, be all. The hard truth is that when someone who identifies themself as a "gamer" they are doing it to attract attention.

You wanna know why people who play video games as one of their main hobbies gets don't like hearing terms like "female gamer" because it is usually that person marketing themselves out for attention. You know, attention whores. Where they just have to push everything in your face to prove that for some reason that they are a "gamer". Yet give them a subject of video games they don't know about they quickly go into a tirade or get flustered and angry at the person instead of actually just asking the most basic question "I don't know, what is it?". Not everyone is going to know everything about video games or the industry but we have people who use this marketing term as a form of self-identity to grab attention from people who actually like playing video games as a hobby.

The real problem is that the terms "gamer" and "gaming community" get thrown around too often that they really don't mean anything or actually have any merit in their meaning. Okay the escapist community is a "gaming community". Okay who specifically represents the "escapist community" when the shit hits the fan and a forum member does something stupid like this Ryan guy? Is the "escapist community" suddenly sexist all cause of one guy that only made one post of the forums? Where is the legitimate accountability from most of these "gaming communities"?

"Gamer" is not a marketing term -- or at least, it didn't start out that way. Up until around 2000, it was the self identified term for tabletop gaming enthusiasts. Around 2000, it started to shift towards meaning videogame enthusiasts instead. In any case, "gamer" isn't the videogame equivalent of "moviegoer" or "reader." It's the videogame equivalent of "movie buff" or "book worm." The hardcore vs. casual stuff is, at its heart, the "movie buff" style gamers wanting to be distinct from the "movie goer" style "gamers," since the marketers have tried to steal the term from them.

Personally I think she got her geek cred by being the love interest in Dr. Horrible and the star of The Guild (which was advertised as "starring Felicia Day, from Dr. Horrible), and it's just as valid as that held by, say, Patrick Stewart, Will Wheaton, Nathan Fillion, Neil Patrick Harris, Harrison Ford, Tim Curry, David Bowie, or any number of other actors/actresses who have starred in works beloved by the geek community. Have we all forgotten that geek culture is much broader than just gaming culture, or what?

 

[mindlesspuppet]

Being a dick is kind of par for the course on Destructiod.

Point. Do you have one?

Would have thought it was pretty obvious. If being a dick is par for the course, than it's silly when they get rid of someone for it.

1. your speaking as if this is a real and well known prequisit of destructoid writers (like its on the contract)...rediculous

2. thats the only thing I said, you messed up the quotes, I never said any of that other stuff

1. Obviously it's not a prerequisite (well, actually it could be for all I know). It has been demonstrated time and time again in practice, which is what matters.

2. My bad, fixed it.

 

[J. Mazarin]

SUPERMASSIVE TEXT WALL INBOUND! TAKE COOOVVEEERR!!

*Also, as a sidenote, you quoted Vault a whole buncha times instead of me. So, whenever you see "Vault101"'s name pop up, it's really me, the great ONE. Just a heads up. And yes, I'm too lazy to fix it.*

Certainly celebrities never take on a public persona to garner a specific audience, I'm sure that never happens...

...And that obviously proves that's exactly what she's doing. Obviously. Because when I want any kind of insight into Ms. Day's mind, I come directly to the Escapist to talk to my good pal Salvan. After all, he knows Felicia's deepest, darkest secrets about how she really doesn't like games at all and is just in it for teh nerd credz.

I like how you raise the snarkiness factor here to make it seem like your point is stronger. I do that a lot too.

One of my many talents... took years of practice, I swear. My point still stands though.

Does it prove that's what Felicia Day is doing? No, of course not. Does it happen and is it possible that it's the case? Absolutely. I, and plenty others, are simply of the opinion that in this instance it is the case.

Making absolute statements based on opinion and completely lacking in evidence is something I consider endemic to the religiously inclined when dealing with that hoodoo they call science, but if you reeaaally believe that then fine.

No but seriously, what you're saying is silly in ways that I'm having a hard time conveying.

So... let's work with this quote here:

Ever think she's acting like a gamer because she's not attractive enough to be a leading lady and not talented enough to be a dramatic actress?

You're absolutely correct here. I had actually intended that statement to be at least partially in jest, but internet and all, doesn't always translate well.

wat

I'm getting the feeling you're cutting up my post and answering each portion without considering its context in entirety of my writing...

I was using that quote to illustrate my next point.

If I was a complete fucking assclown (in addition to having a healthy disdain for you personally), using your logic I could say something along these lines:

Honestly, I'm kind of flattered. I usually don't even realize who I'm replying to (tend to just reply to the statement, not the person), and you've got a health disdain for me, so that's kind of cool.

The point there is that I DON'T have the type of disdain for YOU that YOU have for Felicia. That's why the sentence starts with an "If I was...". I tend not to rage at people I've never met personally. That "if" statement carries over into the next part...

"Hey! Hey Escapist! Hey everybody here! You see this mindlesspuppet guy? You see how he wrote some reviews for anime? Well, I think the only reason he did that was because he's too much of a talentless hack to write about news or games. So, in order to get some reviews in, he just acted like he enjoys anime because everyone knows people who like anime are shallow tools who have no taste in writing."

xD , I'm pretty sure a number people said this when I didn't give a series they liked a good review. Whenever you put yourself or your opinion out there it's pretty much expected. Which is, in large, a part of the reason that this whole ordeal over Perez/Day seems a bit out of hand to me.

And you're doing the same to Felicia because she doesn't fit within your own pre-defined construct of "gamer".

But I would never say something like that, because it would be both rude and incorrect to you and anime fans alike; you know a great deal about anime, and it shows in your writing. In my experience, such a knowledge comes from genuine enjoyment of something.

And that "enjoyment" is what a lot of people feel they share with Felicia; a love of games.

Well thanks, I appreciate that you see that in my writing.

I do understand the point you're making here. I'm not trying to dismiss it. What I am questioning is does she legitimately have a love for gaming or is she just playing to the crowd. I feel like I've seen one too many interviews or appearances by her where she just kind of seemed lost in the gaming world. I don't expect her to be an almanac of gaming knowledge, but I do expect her to be able to hold her own in an interview.

That's your reasoning? That's your evidence behind why you think she's a complete fraud? I've seen some people who are absolutely brilliant in their respective fields look like idiots in interviews, and it didn't make me question their conviction/qualification. Don't understand where you're coming from, but I'll just let it be.

So tell us great one, what information do you have that proves she's just playing up the gaming crowd? Because right now, your argument seems to be "C'mon, she's totally a fraud. Trust me."

I could easily do the same here; what information do you have that proves she's not playing up the crowd?

Pretty sure that's not how it works. She says she's a "gamer", she does game-related things, and is regarded as a key figure by many in the gaming community. Those are facts. If you insist otherwise, burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise.

Of course being the internet, you and I could both demand evidence. We could scour Youtube for videos that support our claims. Write pages about the reasoning and logic that formed our opinion. In the end, it's really up to our own interpretation. Unfortunately, I can't open her Wiki page and see "She's a great big phony!" (actually I may be able to, but I doubt it'd be cited).

I feel she panders herself to the gaming crowd, that's fine if you don't.

There'd be no point, as you mentioned. You and I are obviously looking at the same thing and perceiving different things.

I don't feel Ryan Perez should have had to leave Destructiod over this, when such behavior wasn't really anything out of the ordinary for them. Moreover, what he said is nothing that hadn't been said many times over about her already.

It's business. He was an intern for Destructoid. He said stupid shit where/when he shouldn't have. He attracted negative publicity towards his employer, wasn't important enough to keep around, and was let go. This shit happens every day.

That's the majority of posts on these forums, haha. Glad you're not the one in charge.

I'm glad I'm not in charge too, that would be awful. I'd be mass banning everytime I saw "Mass Effect".

Ffffffff why did you have to remind me of that shit...

I'd also like to say, if I'm coming off as aggressive or hostile, I don't intend to. I'm a wee bit tired of seeing the people claim "OMG you just don't like her because you don't think gamers should have vaginas!" or something similar, whether it's addressed to myself or someone else. Like my original post in this thread says: not everything involving a female and gaming is sexist, sometimes you just plain don't like someone.

No offense taken, and I hope I caused no offense despite my level 99 snarkiness. No, not everything involving games and women is sexist. Unfortunately a lot of it is, and in this specific case I'm of the opinion that Perez demonstrated sufficient fuckheadedness to warrant having his internship terminated.

 

[him over there]

Ugh. "No, fuck off, you aren't nearly as qualified to be linked with gaming as I am. Look, I'm a writer for destructoid- that means I'm cool enough to be in the club. No lamers allowed."

...Is all I got from that tweet. What is it with people and exclusivity? Last I checked, the club in question is actually really, really big- It can probably fit the both of you, Mr. Perez.

I thought it was more a "pretending to be a larger part of a subculture than you really are to exploit and get into work so you can dump it and climb the ladder later" which falls on its face considering it isn't any sort of act.

 

[rbstewart7263]

What the fuck she plays skyrim thats "gamer" enough for me does she neeed to pull out a fucking apple II to deserve the illustrious title of gamer???? I mean really???lmao

 

[Vault101]

SUPERMASSIVE TEXT WALL INBOUND! TAKE COOOVVEEERR!!

*Also, as a sidenote, you quoted Vault a whole buncha times instead of me. So, whenever you see "Vault101"'s name pop up, it's really me, the great ONE. Just a heads up. And yes, I'm too lazy to fix it.*
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whew....what a clusterfuck

 

[mindlesspuppet]

snip...

Personally I think she got her geek cred by being the love interest in Dr. Horrible and the star of The Guild (which was advertised as "starring Felicia Day, from Dr. Horrible), and it's just as valid as that held by, say, Patrick Stewart, Will Wheaton, Nathan Fillion, Neil Patrick Harris, Harrison Ford, Tim Burton, David Bowie, or any number of other actors/actresses who have starred in works beloved by the geek community. Have we all forgotten that geek culture is much broader than just gaming culture, or what?

I agree with you on how she got her geek cred, and you do make a fair point about geek culture going beyond gaming culture. If she simply stuck to geek culture as the others you mentioned I doubt so many would have a problem with her. However, she's often held up like the definitive voice of female gamers, which upsets some people. They feel she's undeserving of having such a role in the community. That she's pandered to gamers; taken full advantage of the fact that people find her attractive, but then she lashes out if anyone points out she used such physical prowess to garner notoriety.

Think of Danica Patrick, she rages about not being taken seriously as a driver because she's female... and then she does another Godaddy commercial naked or another FHM spread. Felicia doesn't whore herself out to that extent, but she does absolutely nothing to dispel many of the beliefs of females in gaming culture, quite the opposite.

 

[J. Mazarin]

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My favorite English teacher once told me that if in casual conversation you can't condense your opinion in a succinct, digestible manner, it's probably not worth sharing in the first place.

Look, I pretty much get what you're saying, but you wrote a nearly ONE THOUSAND WORD response to my 137 word post. If you want to have any kind of debate, I'm going to have to ask that you not resort to the "wall of text" tactic.

Let's try it again:

He was an intern at Destructoid. He posted stupid, arrogant, conceited shit in public that he shouldn't have. Said shit attracted a heavy amount of negative attention towards him and by extension, his employer Destructoid. His employer rightfully fired him as a result. Hopefully, he's learned his lesson.

Thoughts?

 

[J. Mazarin]

SUPERMASSIVE TEXT WALL INBOUND! TAKE COOOVVEEERR!!

*Also, as a sidenote, you quoted Vault a whole buncha times instead of me. So, whenever you see "Vault101"'s name pop up, it's really me, the great ONE. Just a heads up. And yes, I'm too lazy to fix it.*
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whew....what a clusterfuck

i is sorreh

is not mah fault

Spoiler

on a related note, this page is unsurprisingly about to reach 10 pages. high fives all around

 

[Vault101]

I am just confused as to how someone being a dick and insulting someone on Twitter has generated such a response. Seriously, all Twitter does is cause stupid drama.

this is the escapist it involves a WO-MIN!!

there wouldnt not have been such an outcry had the "victem" been male...however that doesnt make this guys actions any less assholie like

I mean its like "hey you! your fake! what do you do huh? what do you do?" <- I'd be telling him to fuck right off...I actually feel kind of angry on behalf of day

 

[Zing]

Honestly, I've never seen Day in anything, and don't plan to, but as far as I know she has done a lot of this industry. If only by helping bring the medium more into the mainstream.

 

[secretsantaone]

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My favorite English teacher once told me that if in casual conversation you can't condense your opinion in a succinct, digestible manner, it's probably not worth sharing in the first place.

Look, I pretty much get what you're saying, but you wrote a nearly ONE THOUSAND WORD response to my 137 word post. If you want to have any kind of debate, I'm going to have to ask that you not resort to the "wall of text" tactic.

Let's try it again:

He was an intern at Destructoid. He posted stupid, arrogant, conceited shit in public that he shouldn't have. Said shit attracted a heavy amount of negative attention towards him and by extension, his employer Destructoid. His employer rightfully fired him as a result. Hopefully, he's learned his lesson.

Thoughts?

That he got fired because he hurt someones feelings?

Boo fucking hoo, it's no secret that many people think Felicia Day is only so famous because OMG IT'S AN ATTRACTIVE GIRL THAT PLAYS GAMES, THIS VALIDATES MY HOBBY. Asking her about this (seriously, read how he phrased it) should not have got him fired. Why is Jim Sterling allowed to get away with the shit he says about people on this very website, yet as soon as someone criticises a woman everyone goes full white knight?