And that's all that needs to be said. The topic is a non-sequitur. It makes as much sense as making a review bemoaning that FIFA is not Football Manager. As such, the review is simply bad.GloatingSwine post=326.71994.746975 said:
The Force Unleashed- not KOTOR
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The forums have spoken there will be no cross referencing genres. gimme a break
whats wrong with this person wanting a bit of depth in a action rpg?
This is a fairly shit game but hey! who actual expects Lucas arts to make a good game on their own. Anyone?
whats wrong with this person wanting a bit of depth in a action rpg?
This is a fairly shit game but hey! who actual expects Lucas arts to make a good game on their own. Anyone?
First, it's not an action RPG.Captin Planet post=326.71994.748476 said:
Second, what's wrong with it is that he's not really reviewing it for what the game is, but solely making comparisons to a completely different kind of game entirely and writing how it stands up to it. It simply doesn't make sense on any level.
Oh sure it does. You just have to be able to read between the lines. What those lines are, I'm not sure. But I'm sure they exist.Woe Is You post=326.71994.748484 said:
All jokes aside, this game is the first one to really make me think about writing a review. I'm kinda afraid, though. I might end up making some sort of botched abortion that is so f'ed up that it lies on a slab muttering "kill me. Kill meeeeee" while causing any onlookers heads to rocket in and out of their ass at terminal velocity.
Of course, first I would have to find some way to fit it in my busy schedule of chainsaws* and porn.
*Not a joke. I get paid to run a chainsaw. Its hard work, but the benefits include good pay and balls so big and hairy you could run an ecosystem in them.
While KOTOR is one of the finest Star Wars games to grace any video game console, I'm surprised that no one here has mentioned what seems to be the most obvious point of comparison: Jedi Knight II. Anyone who's played JKII will A) probably consider it to be the greatest Star Wars action game ever, and B) have been very excited by the possibility of what looked like JKIII. I was first concerned that TFU would end up receiving the scores it did when it was no longer going to be available for the PC. This is not a dig at console players (I have purchased at least one console from every generation since the SNES) but it seems like many of the problems mentioned in reviews and in other peoples' comments seem to say that TFU's combat is a bit shallow and the levels aren't as well designed as they could be. Knowing that developing for the PC takes more time due to the need for optimization for wide varieties of systems, this cancellation seemed a sign that the developers were rushed.
In the end, I am completely not surprised at the mixed reaction received by TFU. It looks fun and flashy, but that has been done before (and better) by games like God of War.
In the end, I am completely not surprised at the mixed reaction received by TFU. It looks fun and flashy, but that has been done before (and better) by games like God of War.
ok, maybe i shouldn't have compared kotor to TFU, you're right, they are different genres of games. But all I'm saying, is that this could have worked really well as an action rpg. It had so much potential. Even the characters were just blank slates for them to paint on and colour but no, they gave us a bland story with standard combat.
I compared it to kotor because kotor was an example of a terrible combat system being saved by a fantastic story. TFU had a much better combat system so if they just kept the impressive story and characters this would have been a smash. But it wasn't. Maybe the combat could have saved the story but the combat was only mediocre so that didn't help.
Including chosen dialogue and elements of KoToR would have improved the game, that's what I'm saying.
I compared it to kotor because kotor was an example of a terrible combat system being saved by a fantastic story. TFU had a much better combat system so if they just kept the impressive story and characters this would have been a smash. But it wasn't. Maybe the combat could have saved the story but the combat was only mediocre so that didn't help.
Including chosen dialogue and elements of KoToR would have improved the game, that's what I'm saying.
There are a lot of reviews that I can't help but skip chunks of. But this one kept me reading right to the end.
Good Job.
P.S. You might want to include pictures with captions next time. Just putting things out there.
Good Job.
P.S. You might want to include pictures with captions next time. Just putting things out there.
This just in: Force Unleashed is not KOTOR.
Which is fine, because they weren't trying to make KOTOR. Just because it's set in the same universe, doesn't really mean you should be trying to compare it with that game.
For me, the closer comparisons are with games like God of War and Devil May Cry, where you run around beating things up and generally being massively more powerful than everything around you.
Let's not review chickens here and then complain because they aren't dogs.
Which is fine, because they weren't trying to make KOTOR. Just because it's set in the same universe, doesn't really mean you should be trying to compare it with that game.
For me, the closer comparisons are with games like God of War and Devil May Cry, where you run around beating things up and generally being massively more powerful than everything around you.
Let's not review chickens here and then complain because they aren't dogs.
First off, I realised my mistake and i won't do it again. Second, the fact it's not trying to be KoToR does not give it the reason to not use the potential for a decent story and characters which being set in star wars is almost a must. I was just saying a few more RPG elements would have helped improve it.AngryMan post=326.71994.749051 said:
Besides, I never played god of war or devil may cry, sue me.
The Force Unleashed was never intended to be a follow-up to Knights of the Old Republic. Whereas the latter is a series of excellent RPGs (albeit with slightly broken gameplay), the former is a linear beat-em-up/tech demo nightmare. The Force Unleashed was never hyped up by anyone to be anything else. I'm sorry if you're disappointed about it, but you have only yourself to blame for expecting more from it. You should have done the research and seen it for the clunker it was a mile away.
Good review, quite fair and thought.
I agree the combat is amongst the most sexcellent Star Wars games, but the acting is bland and the characters suck (Starkiller is ugly, the design team was really lazy on him).
However, is it by large compensated by the murderous magic of the Force, as I pointed somewhere else.
Buying it new is probably too expensive, but I'm pretty sure it's a much more appreciated genocide game is you get it second hand.
I agree the combat is amongst the most sexcellent Star Wars games, but the acting is bland and the characters suck (Starkiller is ugly, the design team was really lazy on him).
However, is it by large compensated by the murderous magic of the Force, as I pointed somewhere else.
Buying it new is probably too expensive, but I'm pretty sure it's a much more appreciated genocide game is you get it second hand.
Your review actually doesn't actually tell us much about the game. Your actual flow of information goes like this.
Story summary
"There are quick time events"
"Quick time events suck"
More story summary
Comparison to KOTOR
"I think choices would have made it better"
You've literally ignored the most important segments of any review. Gameplay, graphics, sound etc etc and you only touch on the story (outside of a strict summary) very briefly. You spent far too much time on a strained and irrelevant comparison to KOTOR. It's a tired argument and in no way justifies a shitty score, if the game was somehow related to KOTOR comparisons would be fine but the only things the two games have in common is the license. It'd be like me deciding to review KOTOR and giving it a 5/10 because I can't beat people to death with a tie fighter, oh and it had no action. Jedi outcast was a proper action game, why can't it be more like that?
Story summary
"There are quick time events"
"Quick time events suck"
More story summary
Comparison to KOTOR
"I think choices would have made it better"
You've literally ignored the most important segments of any review. Gameplay, graphics, sound etc etc and you only touch on the story (outside of a strict summary) very briefly. You spent far too much time on a strained and irrelevant comparison to KOTOR. It's a tired argument and in no way justifies a shitty score, if the game was somehow related to KOTOR comparisons would be fine but the only things the two games have in common is the license. It'd be like me deciding to review KOTOR and giving it a 5/10 because I can't beat people to death with a tie fighter, oh and it had no action. Jedi outcast was a proper action game, why can't it be more like that?
I think we'll all agree that SW makes people blind, and they start comparing unrelated games to their last faptastic memory.Decoy Doctorpus post=326.71994.749246 said:
I liked Jedi Academy a lot, and next time we play SW RPG with my friends I'd like to play a Jedi who can use the Dark Side powers without turning Sith (mainly for the lulz), but since TFU features Vader's secret apprentice, I was only expecting violence and murders.
It's the same for FF, I think, people compare them to each other and their arguments suck.
"FF IX is crap, why does the game feature fairy-tale-like characters instead of angsty emo whiny bitches in a pretendo-gritty industrial world, so that I can play a game that understands my pain ? Waaaaaaaah I'm gonna go listen to Linkin Park since I can't play an androgynous whiny fashion victim...
Wait, FFX features an Offspring Fan Club member ? Joy it will mirror my teenage angst again !"
Every time I hear of FFVII or VIII it drives me berserk and I wish I had the Force Lightning power...
I have learned that over time, please stop comparing most games to each other, they don't relate much...
At least Decoy, you can give to his credit that he said he was biased in the beginning, and that he does not hate the game for not being KoToR.
Being aware of your bias doesn't excuse it when it comes to a review. I'm not opposed to him disliking the game, by most accounts it's 'myeh' at best but he never presents a compelling argument or even a ghost of a reason aside from the fact it's not a genre he likes.Cyclomega post=326.71994.749266 said:
True that.
One thing I'll never get is how people whine about linearity when we have learned time and again that choices and branching stories mostly equals a smoking pile of pus and bile since the writers give you branches to do EXACTLY THE SAME, except maybe in Contra Hard Corps or Star Ocean, but I won't try and bet the OVER 9000 endings...
God of War is linear, the original Genesis and MasterSystem/GameGear Sonic games were linear, hell Mario until SMB3 was linear as hell, yet we all gleefully jumped into the party and had FUN. Why ask for administrative tediousness when you can have simple objectives as "Go Forward. Kill em all. Look awesome. ????. PROFIT.".
I like linear games with simple objectives, it's a GAME after all, take Max Payne, it's linear but oh so enjoyable. Duke Nukem 3D was linear as shit, yet find a more awesome game in the history of sprite FPS.
One thing I'll never get is how people whine about linearity when we have learned time and again that choices and branching stories mostly equals a smoking pile of pus and bile since the writers give you branches to do EXACTLY THE SAME, except maybe in Contra Hard Corps or Star Ocean, but I won't try and bet the OVER 9000 endings...
God of War is linear, the original Genesis and MasterSystem/GameGear Sonic games were linear, hell Mario until SMB3 was linear as hell, yet we all gleefully jumped into the party and had FUN. Why ask for administrative tediousness when you can have simple objectives as "Go Forward. Kill em all. Look awesome. ????. PROFIT.".
I like linear games with simple objectives, it's a GAME after all, take Max Payne, it's linear but oh so enjoyable. Duke Nukem 3D was linear as shit, yet find a more awesome game in the history of sprite FPS.
This is a pretty good review. It's objective and fair. I've been really looking forward to Force Unleashed, but in light of things people have been saying about it, maybe I oughtta think again. Thanx, I actually found this review kinda helpful.