You talk about this as if they're replacing the "Realistic" shooters. Even though Bulletstorm, DNF and SS are coming out doesn't meant there won't be another HL, COD, Battlefield and so on. To think so is ridiculous.
The "fun-shooters" return. But why would anyone want that?
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Because you don't have the same perspective as the rest of us.Zannah said:
Seriously, we are SICK of every damn game trying to be Modern Warfare Again: Let's Go Shoot Some More Russians/Terrorists. Maybe it's a strange thing to be saying about a genre of games called First Person Shooter, but the fun in these games is SHOOTING SHIT. If you can take your shotgun, rocket launcher and chaingun and bunny hop around 200 enemy dudes blowing them into a spreading bloody mist in the space of less than 2 minutes and not feel the thrill of raw carnage, you're probably missing a certain important part of your brain which allows you to feel enjoyment. There's a time for Call of Duty. There's a time for Bioshock. And there's a time for the massive ball of chaos that is Duke Nukem/Painkiller/Serious Sam etc.
I want it. Why? Because sometimes you need a clear goal, shit-ton of enemies and weapons and a cigar. That's why.
Because the FPS genre has gone stale. Hopefully these games will be fantastically fun games that will live in the memories and hearts of the generation of gamers, but if not, at least it freshens up the FPS genre
I love a good shooter, I love pretty much all games except RTS and shooters are usually my favorite. I'm tired of "realistic" where you have your gun, another gun, a knife, grenades, and have to hide behind cover. I want a game you can run around and use any number of random weapons and fuck the shit out of enemies with your crazy ass weapons.
I liked Painkiller for this reason. If I wanted to stick enemies to walls, I could, if I wanted to use an exotic weapon, I could blast them w/ shuriken and then lightning. And if I wanted to obliterate enemies w/ over the top weaponry, I could use my mini-gun. Point is, the video game industry has been letting the shooter genre get stale, samey, and just dull. Hopefully some fun shooters will push the genre back into a zone of evolution where predictability is a thing of the past (or at least of last year)
I love a good shooter, I love pretty much all games except RTS and shooters are usually my favorite. I'm tired of "realistic" where you have your gun, another gun, a knife, grenades, and have to hide behind cover. I want a game you can run around and use any number of random weapons and fuck the shit out of enemies with your crazy ass weapons.
I liked Painkiller for this reason. If I wanted to stick enemies to walls, I could, if I wanted to use an exotic weapon, I could blast them w/ shuriken and then lightning. And if I wanted to obliterate enemies w/ over the top weaponry, I could use my mini-gun. Point is, the video game industry has been letting the shooter genre get stale, samey, and just dull. Hopefully some fun shooters will push the genre back into a zone of evolution where predictability is a thing of the past (or at least of last year)
^thisNighthief said:
every single FPS these days has NO innovation. for all the fanboys who are gonna start screaming "MODERN WARFARE" or "BAD COMPANY 2" or "MEDAL OF HONOR", please, *Bill Nye voice* consider the following:
does the game feature at least one stage in: the middle east/the snow/Russia or Eastern Europe
the enemies are: middle eastern terrorists/eastern european terrorists/asian terrorists/terrorists in general
the "good guys" are: American/British/west european
you are part of: a special ops squad
there is at least one: vehicle stage/sniper or stealth stage
your team consists of: the seasoned leader/the techy guy who dies/other nameless soldiers
everything is: brown/gray/DEAD. FUCKING. SERIOUS.
ya see? glad I get to punch space nazis in the balls while firing dogs out of a gun that looks like a giant neon covered howitzer. this is why I think House of the Dead Overkill was one of the best games of 2009; it was self aware, it was creative, and mostly, IT WAS FUN.
as opposed to what?Ultratwinkie said:
10 year long development cycles and they still are using the same exact gameplay on a slightly better graphics engine?
yeah awesome, i so wish every game was like that.
have fun with your 8 hours of campaign with no replay value, bud.
Duke Nukem, Serious Sam and Bulletstorm don't forgo story for the simple fun of blowing shit up. They have both Duke and Sam's story being they fight to save the world/s from alien invaders and make lots of fun along the way and BulletStorm's story is space pirates have crashed on a planet full of mutants and have to fight their way through them to escape.
I don't think anybody is saying that games like the original Doom or Duke Nukem were better than somethings that are coming out today, bu they're instead saying that they're glad that those old style games are given a second chance to evolve in order to keep up with the changing market. People all over were a little pissed off when Duke Nukem Forever's "Ego" system was announced, but I'm glad for it. It lets developers do what they're supposed to do (Hint: it's to develop), and make the game able to stand up for itself opposite from other modern games.
And even before MW2 came out, I was getting bored of realistic shooter. Playing a game where Iron-sights is on the left number instead of the left trigger is not innovation, that's just re-mapping the controls. And the only NEW thing in any of the recent CoD games has been Zombies and Spec-ops, which are the only two things I play on them anyways.
EDIT: Basically, what I'm trying to say is that games are about having fun, and I'm not saying that realistic-shooters aren't fun, but that there should be more options for those of us who don't like to be bogged down in one style of one genre. I want to have the option to either pick up that assault rifle, and lay down covering fire for my squad, or I can pick up the Flak-Cannon and charge head-first into a castle full of acid-spitting zombie rats.
And even before MW2 came out, I was getting bored of realistic shooter. Playing a game where Iron-sights is on the left number instead of the left trigger is not innovation, that's just re-mapping the controls. And the only NEW thing in any of the recent CoD games has been Zombies and Spec-ops, which are the only two things I play on them anyways.
EDIT: Basically, what I'm trying to say is that games are about having fun, and I'm not saying that realistic-shooters aren't fun, but that there should be more options for those of us who don't like to be bogged down in one style of one genre. I want to have the option to either pick up that assault rifle, and lay down covering fire for my squad, or I can pick up the Flak-Cannon and charge head-first into a castle full of acid-spitting zombie rats.
Because shooting at nothing but brown and gray and maybe red environments, people, and weapons...it gets old.
Hell, that's one of the reason why I'm actually praying for a TimeSplitters 4.
Screw CoD/MoH/ect.
It's it about time the FPS/TPS change it up a bit?
Even FF7: Dirigible of Cerberus was better, at least in style/looks than most of the FPS/TPS that are coming out...and this is coming from someone who think FF7 is overrated trash that's helped ruin Square.
Hell, that's one of the reason why I'm actually praying for a TimeSplitters 4.
Screw CoD/MoH/ect.
It's it about time the FPS/TPS change it up a bit?
Even FF7: Dirigible of Cerberus was better, at least in style/looks than most of the FPS/TPS that are coming out...and this is coming from someone who think FF7 is overrated trash that's helped ruin Square.
Great post, sums up my thoughts nicely. Plus I laughed out loud from the War: Michael Bay edition comment, and instanly thought about CoD: Black Ops that I recently finished.MattyDienhoff said:
I'm going to play Singularity next, and will most likely enjoy that more. The palette of the "realistic" shooter was old 10 years ago ( at least it feels that way ), and I would also like something more interesting to shoot than soldiers and space marines.
I'm also looking forward to more interesting weaponry. BFGs, shrink guns, freeze guns...ah man...good times.
well it is subjective But I still think the story for ME is really good, makes you like the charachters and makes you want to know what happens next, also it gives you emotional investment in whats going on (Im going to cry when ME3 ends, no doubt about that)Generic Gamer said:
mabye your standards for what makes a great story in a game are very high
and as has been said many time before story in games isnt just the "plot" it can be a million other little, things, take fallout 3 or NV little details the create a world so facinating and fun, In a way a movie could never hope to do
as for AVATAR...I dont hate that movie but the fact is this story has been told a million times before you knew what was going to happen as soon as you heard the basic premise (and dont get me started on the na'vi's elf syndrome),
district nine had a similar story and themes yet that was handled a million times better (and a much much better movie) seriously ME feels a million times more orgininal and its an example of what bioware does best, take well known tropes and cliche's and do them so well that it feels fresh
where as AVATAR just took cliches and presented them with tons of pretty special effects
anyway this is all subjective so ill leave it at that
Once everyone got sick of being big burly space marines performing unbelievably farfetch'd stunts and propagating stereotype after stereotype, we went into a bit of a recession and became obsessed with the delusion of realism, muddy brown "Gritty" games seemed holy and divine. But not we've come full circle and I think a lot of people are sick of the "War is REAL and GRITTY and SHIT and DEAL WITH IT" attitude to games.
Personally, this annoys me for two major reasons:
1. Such "Serious" shooters (I assume they know who they are) try to create this atmosphere of an intense, visceral experience, which I am fine with, but in the end they aren't even realistic. They, too, have these ridiculous setpieces and glorified shooter mechanics and overpowered melees and quickscoping, but it's just all coated with a poorly textured holier-than-thou texture.
So, to not beat around the bush and just mention CoD, you can get a game that doesn't have any of the down-to-earth realistic qualities it claims are so important, but has the shitbrown/gunmetalgrey appearance of a game that would. All the cons and none of the pros, to my eyes. As opposed to a game that just straight admits that it's not remotely realistic and can thus have unique art styles or set pieces. (TF2
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2. The point of games is not to mimic reality. At times, mimicking reality in order to enhance the experience is good, but not all the time. The point of games is usually to have fun, or to stretch the imagination, or escapism or something along those lines.
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However, I don't think all "Fun" shooters sacrifice story. If all goes well, we should get an exaggerated, colourful, unique new shooter in the next few months.
Personally, this annoys me for two major reasons:
1. Such "Serious" shooters (I assume they know who they are) try to create this atmosphere of an intense, visceral experience, which I am fine with, but in the end they aren't even realistic. They, too, have these ridiculous setpieces and glorified shooter mechanics and overpowered melees and quickscoping, but it's just all coated with a poorly textured holier-than-thou texture.
So, to not beat around the bush and just mention CoD, you can get a game that doesn't have any of the down-to-earth realistic qualities it claims are so important, but has the shitbrown/gunmetalgrey appearance of a game that would. All the cons and none of the pros, to my eyes. As opposed to a game that just straight admits that it's not remotely realistic and can thus have unique art styles or set pieces. (TF2
!)2. The point of games is not to mimic reality. At times, mimicking reality in order to enhance the experience is good, but not all the time. The point of games is usually to have fun, or to stretch the imagination, or escapism or something along those lines.
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However, I don't think all "Fun" shooters sacrifice story. If all goes well, we should get an exaggerated, colourful, unique new shooter in the next few months.