Marbas said:
BonsaiK said:
ore like the past. Merzbow has at least 50 albums that sound more of less like that, but he obviously got bored and has gotten a litte more melodic these days (at least by his standards). White-noise is almost kind of 'retro' now.
Pretty much this. As a Noise fan, I'd like to point out that we are an established subculture with our own "canon" of important artists already. And we aren't really all that avant-garde anymore thankyouverymuch.
Yes. A lot of what people think hasn't happened yet, has in fact already happened.
Keepitclean said:
Electronic music I feel will be the music of the future, more and mreo bands are incorporating synthisizers and turntables into thier music.
Definitely not. The big movement towards turntablism happened in the late 80s and early 90s. Turntables then have been slowly dying off as a musical instrument ever since due to basically being one-trick ponies (they don't even appear that much in RAP music anymore!) although they've remained popular as the DJ medium of choice for club DJs due to vinyl having certain logistic advantages over other media, at least until very recently. As for electronic music, that's nothing new either. If anything the use of electronics in music has gotten more and more subtle since its early 1980s heyday. When a new technology arrives it tends to get used open-slather at first and then people gradually learn to be a bit more controlled with it. These days it's such an artform that people listen to music and don't even KNOW that it's been mostly electronically generated. A lot of that stuff that you think your favourite band played, well, guess what...
whitelye said:
Actually, I think you'll find they did.
Explain.
Before The Beatles, modern pop and rock music only contained a certain number of permissible chord progressions. There was the 12-bar blues I-IV-I-V-IV-I, the common doo-wop I-VI-IV-V, I-IV-V and I-II-I-II, and then there were all the jazz progressions which were basically just tarted up versions of the Circle Of Fifths. Only The Beach Boys were flirting with different chord progressions. Then the Beatles completely blew everything out of the water, they were writing songs with new harmonic rules and basically throwing the textbook in the bin. Sure, they had their 12-bar blues moments too, but a lot of their progressions were just damn
strange for the period, yet they were also catchy and had the rock beat people liked at the time etc, this became known as the "Mersey Beat" sound and there were a whole lot of artists like this. That was their real contribution to the evolution of popular music, not all the hippy trippy shit which came later. The Mersey Beat artists were all self-contained groups too, as opposed to "a singer and his band" which was the norm up until then.
the1ultimate said:
The future of music is probably songs being laced with subliminal triggers that cause the listener to experience emotions.
Hahahaha. Music can make people feel emotions on a completely non-subliminal level so there's no need to add subliminal triggering. Also, subliminals in music has been repeatedly proven to be an extremely ineffective form of mind control and has never stood up in a courtroom.
AgentNein said:
BonsaiK said:
George144 said:
I'm pretty sure postmodernist punk is the next big thing.
Any type of punk, postmodern or otherwise, is dead commercially and will definitely not be the "next big thing". As a music industry insider I can tell you first-hand that labels aren't caring about new punk bands of any kind. Even hybrids of punk and other styles aren't doing that well. It's all as unpopular right now as glam metal was in 1995. If you're starting or thinking of starting a new punk band in the next ten years my advice is that you should go for it if that's what turns you on, but I hope you're happy with just playing to your friends and people in other bands.
I do have to take exception with this. I've been contributing musically and otherwise to the punk scene in well, the entire country for the last eight or so years of my life to different degrees. And while I do agree that it's dead in the big-time commercial sense (with that said, there's not much popular music today that's not influenced at least in part by punk rock) if you're at all any good or interesting, there's people that will dig and listen to your stuff and support it. I'm not just talking kids, I'm talking adults, older guys and gals and married couples who still absolutely love the music and will help you out if they can. It's hardly the rock star lifestyle but it's a very comfy safety net of cool people around the country. From Texas to New York. I don't know, maybe I've just been fortunate!
If you were being hyperbolic with saying that you'd be playing for your friends and other bands, well it's a fair bit of hyperbole. But make no mistake, it IS hyperbole. Punk rock has one of the most long lasting devotions you'll ever find in terms of underground music fans and contributors.
That whole "underground punk scene" thing does exist (largely made up of people in other punk bands, or who were in other punk bands, or people fucking people in other punk bands), and probably always will. However my point is that punk is no longer commercially relevant on any sort of large scale, and won't be again for a long, long time. The statement given was that "postmodern punk" would be the "next big thing" and I'm sorry to break it to you but... absolutely not, not in the near future anyway. Punk's moment in the commercial sun ended in about 2005 and we're not due for a revival just yet. Yes, you could say that most music today is influenced by punk, and that would be true but it does miss the point. Most music today is influenced even more by blues for example (including punk) and we don't see blues music on the top of the charts.
If you want hard evidence of punk being as dead as the dodo, you just have to look at some of the "ex-punk" bands who are successful now. Gossip are a good example. They started off sounding pretty punk but rapidly changed their sound when it became clear to them that they could never sustain a career playing punk music. Nowadays they're basically a disco-soul act, with the only traces of punk left being Beth's curves. Fat girl in the band? Sure, we can market that. Want to play punk music? No, nobody cares anymore, sorry - change your sound, or lose your record dead. Same goes for Kathleen Hanna, same goes for The Donnas, even Brody Dalle's new project isn't punk anymore. Sure, it's all "influenced" by punk but none of it
sounds like punk because that
sound is commercially dead and nobody wants to hear it in 2009 apart from a small underground movement of people. Underground movements are nice and bless them but just because one exists doesn't mean the rest of the world is going to care. Punk probably WILL eventually resurface on a big commercial scale... but not for a LONG time. Don't hold your breath. If you're young and in a band, and you wanted to get somewhere, and you had some songwriting savvy and talent, you would be a fool to choose punk. On the other hand if you really love punk music, you're happy to stay underground, sleep on people's floors when you go on tour and keep your day job or live a fairly hand-to-mouth existence, go for it if that's what makes you happy. Just don't complain in ten years time when you're still doing it and nobody outside of your underground network has "noticed". We noticed. We were just already kinda over it.
