The good old days really all that good?

[Vault101]

Aside from a few odd ones out, any game pre 2000/2002 is 90% nostalgia, imho.

even though I hate when people are liek "waaaahhhh everyhting now sucks!!!"

I refute that claim in fact I say the oposite, 3D games from excatally around that era are the ones the reuire the most nostalga to play...why? its obvious really 3D from back then just looks really really really out dated and so for a newcomer I imagine kinda hard to get into like golden eye (uncanny valley to the max)

but take somthing like super metroid looks and plays just as well as it did then...or any game from the SNES really that where its at (screw the NES)

or alot of PC games liek theme hospital, Diablo or age of empires pre 2000 but their graphics still look pretty good (art style wise at least)

Of coase there are exceptions...banjo kazooie, even for its graphics still stands up I think

 

[Indecipherable]

Interactivity in RPGs has plummetted. Having grown up on games such as Ultima 7, Arcanum, etc. etc. I must say that present day RPGs simply do not compare with how they used to be. For most of everything else, we are spoiled for choice compared to what it was like 10-15 years ago.

 

[Ironic Pirate]

I'd be willing to give a whole lot more to play Spyro The Dragon on PS1 or the original Pokemon games than I would to play the newest Call of Duty.

That's a silly comparison, those are different genres.

There are plenty of games with all the depth of older games, people just pick some random bestseller they don't like and declare all games suck because of it, conveniently forgetting the sucky games of yore.

See, it is nostalgia. Not in that Nostalgia makes shitty games good, but it makes us compare all the games from a few month span (including all the bad ones) to all the games from entire years or even decades, and then acting smug when *surprise* all the games released this month aren't as good as all the games released in, say, 1998, especially since we've forgotten all the shit games that came out that year.

 

[Tax_Document]

Interactivity in RPGs has plummetted. Having grown up on games such as Ultima 7, Arcanum, etc. etc. I must say that present day RPGs simply do not compare with how they used to be. For most of everything else, we are spoiled for choice compared to what it was like 10-15 years ago.

But in the old ones there was nothing to do, not awesome guilds or factions, no game altering choices, all it was was a boring ass grind with crappy music and horrible fights.

That's why I never picked up gaming until recently.

 

[Zannah]

I refute that claim in fact I say the oposite, 3D games from excatally around that era are the ones the reuire the most nostalga to play...why? its obvious really 3D from back then just looks really really really out dated and so for a newcomer I imagine kinda hard to get into like golden eye (uncanny valley to the max)

I don't really care for graphics here - but it's around that time, that gameplay started to free itself from technical limitations on a broader scale - we got the first shooters that didn't have you arbitrary backtrack for health kits, we had the first rpgs without the terrible, terrible eagle-eye tactics bullshit, things that were rare before that. But admittedly, it's largely a line drawn by my own experience, and that's the earliest, where games showed up that would actually still stand their ground among todays lineup. Games like Enclave or Morrowind don't use their rich and interesting world, and their immersion, just because the graphics are a bit dusty - unlike other even more recent games, like say, the painfully overpraised HL2, that have virtually nothing in their but a few physics puzzles and "it looked great at the time".

 

[Vault101]

I refute that claim in fact I say the oposite, 3D games from excatally around that era are the ones the reuire the most nostalga to play...why? its obvious really 3D from back then just looks really really really out dated and so for a newcomer I imagine kinda hard to get into like golden eye (uncanny valley to the max)

I don't really care for graphics here - but it's around that time, that gameplay started to free itself from technical limitations on a broader scale - we got the first shooters that didn't have you arbitrary backtrack for health kits, we had the first rpgs without the terrible, terrible eagle-eye tactics bullshit, things that were rare before that. But admittedly, it's largely a line drawn by my own experience, and that's the earliest, where games showed up that would actually still stand their ground among todays lineup. Games like Enclave or Morrowind don't use their rich and interesting world, and their immersion, just because the graphics are a bit dusty - unlike other even more recent games, like say, the painfully overpraised HL2, that have virtually nothing in their but a few physics puzzles and "it looked great at the time".

are you talking about a specific generation? Because ps2 and even xbox games dont look that bad now...but N64 and below, it does however depend on youre platform

and eagle eye tactics? do you mean the rise of action RPG's?


anywa somtimes you can overcome the graphics thing, if the game is good enough

anyway in regards to HL2 honestly I only played it last year and I think it looks awsome, see even if the graphics are "dated" they dont look "old" or bad, its sort of like its own artstyle and it totally works, similar to no more heros or Borderlands, the cel shading is its own style and therefore you dont notice the technical details

anyway HL2 is a rare example....but yeah I actually like the visual style and the graphics dont put me off at all

 

[Someone Depressing]

I'd be more whilling to play an old Copy of Mosnter-Party of one of the old Pokemon games that play a 8th Gen game, maybe we just remember the old GOOD games, not the stagnations that came before.

Maybe that's the problem. We won't accept current Gen games because the original games they're rebooting suck, and we don't want to try them because we fear they'll suck just like what they're rebooting. But, meh, I don't have an answer.

 

[Life_Is_A_Mess]

Most of the ideas in the "Good old Games" were still fresh and somewhat original, and haven't been milked to death by it's producers.

I do prefer some old games to new ones.
Red Faction 1 > CoD for example (IMO)
Silent Hill 1 and 2 > Silent Hill 3 and 4 for example (IMO again)

Not sayin' all old games are better, but they did have more praise for what they did and invented (i.e. developing new interfaces, new game styles) then the ones we have today, that try to inovate by using the old games' bases. Some new games can really inovate, while others... can't. The ones that do stay in our memories and will most likely serve as a basis of the new generation of games. (IMO)

 

[tehannihalator]

You know Sturgeons law has always applied?
From 2600 to 360, there have always been shit games.

 

[Woodsey]

Well that's an unfair comparison: The Sands of Time is one of the greatest game EVAR. Miles better than any of the PoP games that came after it, even.

Anyway, some old games are great, most are shit. Likewise, some new games are great, most are shit.

Same applies to - oh, I dunno - every other medium out there.

 

[Biodeamon]

The good ol' days were good for their age. Compared to the games and technology we have now they seem bad but back in when it was made those games were cutting edge. So yeah those games were good.

 

[Ursus Buckler]

I'd be willing to give a whole lot more to play Spyro The Dragon on PS1 or the original Pokemon games than I would to play the newest Call of Duty.

That's a silly comparison, those are different genres.

There are plenty of games with all the depth of older games, people just pick some random bestseller they don't like and declare all games suck because of it, conveniently forgetting the sucky games of yore.

See, it is nostalgia. Not in that Nostalgia makes shitty games good, but it makes us compare all the games from a few month span (including all the bad ones) to all the games from entire years or even decades, and then acting smug when *surprise* all the games released this month aren't as good as all the games released in, say, 1998, especially since we've forgotten all the shit games that came out that year.

Okay then, I would rather play the original Pokemon games as opposed to Pokemon Black/White because Game Freak are now desperately milking what little fluid is left within the cash cow. Maybe I am nostalgic and opinionated, but the old games are sacred.

I do agree with you on it being largely nostalgia. Looking back on some of the games I used to play as a kid I can't say that they were the best games ever invented, but I remember enjoying myself immensely at the time and growing up with (I refer to my above point), which I will smugly say that the games I play presently aren't accomplishing in the same respect.

It's kind of like supporting your kid at Sports Day. You know they aren't the best athletes that God could've given you, but you love them a damn sight more than every other kid there to the point of greatly exaggerating your kid's strengths and the other, more athletic kids weaknesses.

Heaven forbid I ever have a child.

 

[emeraldrafael]

There is a lot of nostalgia in it, but there's also a lot games taht were just good

Just like their are now. Do you really think games like the Thrid Halo, CoD:MW1, and WoW will be as good as they are in the eyes of people 20 years from now?

 

[Lunar Templar]

Not everyone's a friggin graphics whore godammit !!

this, more or less, how ever i don't see grfx being a major selling point much longer, so maybe we can get a little of the old creativity back, which is what really makes the older games 'better'

 

[-Dragmire-]

I still go back to play Super Metroid. Nostalgia may be part of it but the other part is I tried Other M...

 

[Indecipherable]

Interactivity in RPGs has plummetted. Having grown up on games such as Ultima 7, Arcanum, etc. etc. I must say that present day RPGs simply do not compare with how they used to be. For most of everything else, we are spoiled for choice compared to what it was like 10-15 years ago.

But in the old ones there was nothing to do, not awesome guilds or factions, no game altering choices, all it was was a boring ass grind with crappy music and horrible fights.

That's why I never picked up gaming until recently.

Go play Arcanum or the old Fallouts and realise how wrong you are. Game altering choices nowadays are insignificant.