u mad, bro?Bradeck said:Frodo? Saruman? Legolas? Galadriel? Why? Hey, if we're going to detract from the main story line so we can cram in characters from the last three, why not include SAURON. Oh, he's in the movie to. Not a passing reference like in the book, nope, he gets screen time. And lets add even more characters, as if 17 central characters aren't even. You know what everyone likes? Elves! MOAR ELVES PLEASE, Taladrial. And while we're at it, Here's everyones favorite sword, NARSIL.
I'm sorry, but I really wish that Peter Jackson would stop channeling George Lucas, and adding stupid crap that wasn't in the actual story to begin with, just to get more viewers. And one final thing. The entire trailer did not mention ONCE, the ENTIRE REASON FOR THE BOOK. Why are they suddenly 14 dwarves in this Hobbit's house? Why are they fighting trolls? Are they going on some sort of adventure? WHY???
We could have EASILY shown the plot synopsis in 30 seconds. And again, WHY IS GALADRIEL IN THIS???
I have a really bad feeling the whole "Ancient Dragon takes over Dwarf Mountain" is going to take a back seat to "Bilbo finds ring/Dwarves get in really awesome battles with Elves and Orcs". Peter Jackson is a fucking tool, and I'm sick of him destroying the lore.
/end rant
Like ZeroMachine said, Jackson is making it more accessible to people who never read The Hobbit or the Lord of the Rings, by having these characters have a little screen time it's a good way to tie in both sets of films.Bradeck said:Frodo? Saruman? Legolas? Galadriel? Why? Hey, if we're going to detract from the main story line so we can cram in characters from the last three, why not include SAURON. Oh, he's in the movie to. Not a passing reference like in the book, nope, he gets screen time. And lets add even more characters, as if 17 central characters aren't even. You know what everyone likes? Elves! MOAR ELVES PLEASE, Taladrial. And while we're at it, Here's everyones favorite sword, NARSIL.
I'm sorry, but I really wish that Peter Jackson would stop channeling George Lucas, and adding stupid crap that wasn't in the actual story to begin with, just to get more viewers. And one final thing. The entire trailer did not mention ONCE, the ENTIRE REASON FOR THE BOOK. Why are they suddenly 14 dwarves in this Hobbit's house? Why are they fighting trolls? Are they going on some sort of adventure? WHY???
We could have EASILY shown the plot synopsis in 30 seconds. And again, WHY IS GALADRIEL IN THIS???
I have a really bad feeling the whole "Ancient Dragon takes over Dwarf Mountain" is going to take a back seat to "Bilbo finds ring/Dwarves get in really awesome battles with Elves and Orcs". Peter Jackson is a fucking tool, and I'm sick of him destroying the lore.
/end rant
You,uh... mean Peter Jackson... right? (Either way, you put it better than I did. Kudos.)Sleekit said:Galadriel is in it because the Necromancer of Dol Guldur (Sauron) and White Council (Saruman, Radagast, The Elf Lords etc) storyline is shown in the coming two films
that storyline is featured because it happens at the same time and bridges with the existing LOTR films.
Legolas gets a cameo because he's the son of the Elvenking of Mirkwood and is actually in the book (although Tolkien did not name the Elvenkings sons til LOTR)
Narsil is shown in its shards, on its plinth because they are in Elronds house in Rivendale and its a continuity nod to the audience.
Frodo and Ian Holms Blibo are shown as a framing device for the entire film(s).
but you know all this and don't dare attack me for giving you the simple answers you already know. im not Steve Jackson and i don't need to answer for his film making decisions.
that said i have no issue with virtually any of the above but then im not not trying to improve my geek cred by nit picking over Tolkien. i'd rather just watch two cracking films.
After watching the special editions of the making of and the actor, producer and director commentary of the films, I can put my trust in the team that is working on this. PJ hasnt devolved into a selfcentered ego manic like George has.Bradeck said:pop-corn/cgi Clash of the Titans knockoff.
you think the LOTR is awful?Revolutionaryloser said:Well, I'm torn. I was sure this was going to be shit but at least they have a brilliant cast. The main problem is that Lord of the Rings was a very simple and formulaic story which meant it translated easily into a feature film. The Hobbit is a clusterfuck of events happening all over the place with flow changing rapidly and no structure. No big bad. No struggle for freedom and justice. No lurking evil. If anything, the most bastard character in the story is Bilbo.
I have a strong suspicions that Peter J. is going to overhaul the whole story and come out with something totally different.
And the language. All the riddles and rhymes and silly semantics buggery. If he's gonna get rid of that we might as well not call it the Hobbit.
If it's true to the book the film will probably be awful. If it changes everything so it can actually make any sense as a 21st century Hollywood blockbuster it will probably be awful too. It has the whole spectrum of awfulness to play with here.
He didn't even imply that... Where are you seeing "LOTR movies are awful"?boag said:you think the LOTR is awful?Revolutionaryloser said:Well, I'm torn. I was sure this was going to be shit but at least they have a brilliant cast. The main problem is that Lord of the Rings was a very simple and formulaic story which meant it translated easily into a feature film. The Hobbit is a clusterfuck of events happening all over the place with flow changing rapidly and no structure. No big bad. No struggle for freedom and justice. No lurking evil. If anything, the most bastard character in the story is Bilbo.
I have a strong suspicions that Peter J. is going to overhaul the whole story and come out with something totally different.
And the language. All the riddles and rhymes and silly semantics buggery. If he's gonna get rid of that we might as well not call it the Hobbit.
If it's true to the book the film will probably be awful. If it changes everything so it can actually make any sense as a 21st century Hollywood blockbuster it will probably be awful too. It has the whole spectrum of awfulness to play with here.
Can you give us some insight into what you find to be good please?