the hypocrisy of the gaming world.

[HappyZealot]

and for the love of good stop electing republican fools into the Whitehouse who believe the exact word of the bible including that crazy fire and brimstone ending and are doing their damndest to bring it about.

Believe me, many of us tried to stop it from happening.

Not enough of us, it seems. He even got re-elected.

To me, an Icelander though, it was the saddest thing, seeing as he didn't appear to have done much good. However, I know little abot(bad spelling) Kerry and his campaign promises so I won't go and scream "You suck" for re-electing Bush. (What's with his rambling abot(Damnit!) Iran though? Is he trying to break as much before he leaves?)

Btw, isn't the next election pretty much between Obama and Hillary as it is now? No one really stands out on the Republic side.

 

[Pixelantes Anonymous]

People object to America's Army because it is a recruiting tool. It isn't a game made for amusement. It is meant to convince gamers being the military would be cool.

That's the key point here.

One thing I'd add here is that not only is it a recruiting tool, but it's a recruiting tool marketed at minors. That's the real hypocrisy here.

While politicians everywhere are tripping over each other trying to condone violent video games to "save the children", there we have a branch of the US Government targeting those very same kids to become ACTUAL killers. It's really something else when you think about it.

There was a rather telling incident a few months ago at some video game retailer. They held a Halo 2 (or 3) tournament, but had to turn kids away because they were under the age of 17. Meanwhile the US Army had set up shop with America's Army outside the store and were quite eager to invite the kids in to play their game.

Apparently it's not ok for under 17-year-olds to buy violent video games, but it's quote a-ok to get recruited to the US Army. You can't make this shit up. It's better than fiction.

 

[REDPill357]

I havent played either of the games, but even if they seem to have the same message (war is teh cewl)

CoD4 is actually very anti-war. Some of the quotes after death include the price for a B-2 bomber, an F-15 fighter jet, and a Javelin missle. And some of the quotes in-game are anti-war. ("So much for military intelligence.")

 

[ComradeJim270]

My theory? People just like to *****. People complaining about AA should stop worrying about the game being a recruiting tool, and instead focus on why a recruiting tool would be needed in the first place. If they refuse to do that, I doubt their sincerity, and am inclined to think of them as practicioners of yellow journalism and the like.

 

[KurtNiisan]

I have to say that I play CoD4 a lot. And not once do I feel like I need to join the American Army (I'm not an American) after playing the game. So no, I do not believe that CoD4 (or any other Military FPS aside from AA) can also be classed as a "recruitment tool". I just hope that we never see anything like AA again. This is a mistake that should not be repeated.

 

[Easykill]

Look, I watched that South Park episode and thought it was funny. I'm not humourless. But I'm from Canada and You're being arrogant pricks. I have no quarrel with Americans, but I do have one with arrogant pricks.

Oh, and here's a fun fact: the one time we went to war with you, we burned down your whitehouse. And how are we pansies for not supporting a war no sane person who knew what they were talking about would support? 911 was used as an excuse for Iraq, no scratch that. After 911, American's DEMANDED blood. We wanted nothing to do with it. Besides, our leaders are spineless pigs and only didn't side with you because we'd just remove them from power. Instead we freed up American troops in Afganistan for Irac. And almost no one noticed.
Apparently you didn't either.

 

[sammyfreak]

I havent played either of the games, but even if they seem to have the same message (war is teh cewl)

CoD4 is actually very anti-war. Some of the quotes after death include the price for a B-2 bomber, an F-15 fighter jet, and a Javelin missle. And some of the quotes in-game are anti-war. ("So much for military intelligence.")

Ah, dident know that, i based my judgement on COD1.

What would be more interesting then a normal war game would be to play as a civlian. Not the kind of "civilian who can gun down 20 enemies" guy, but someone who does not fight att all and whos only interest is escape.

 

[KurtNiisan]

911 was used as an excuse for Irac, no scratch that. After 911, American's DEMANDED blood.

- 9/11 was a conspiracy anyway.
Watch "Loose Change 2nd Edition" (or Google it and stream it)

 

[REDPill357]

This thread is now about refuting the post above you GO!

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

 

[Terramax]

I'd just like to drop my two pennies in and say I hate the US military... and every other military in the world just as much.

I've always said patronism leads to racism. I don't think it matters what country the military is in a game, film, book or real life, the whole premisis that a wide group of people being trained for the prime reason of killing others is one I'll never accept, regardless of the nation supported.

I feel just as angry when I see soldiers from my country (the UK) approaching 14 year-old kids with leaflets, and setting up stalls in my town centre with machine guns for kids to look at and hold as a way to persuade people to sign their lives away.

It's sickening.

 

[Fire Daemon]

Look, I watched that South Park episode and thought it was funny. I'm not humourless. But I'm from Canada and You're being arrogant pricks. I have no quarrel with Americans, but I do have one with arrogant pricks.

Oh, and here's a fun fact: the one time we went to war with you, we burned down your whitehouse. And how are we pansies for not supporting a war no sane person who knew what they were talking about would support? 911 was used as an excuse for Irac, no scratch that. After 911, American's DEMANDED blood. We wanted nothing to do with it. Besides, our leaders are spineless pigs and only didn't side with you because we'd just remove them from power. Instead we freed up American troops in Afganistan for Irac. And almost no one noticed.
Apparently you didn't either.

Please don't bring the war of 1812 into this no one won that war. And each country country has had different reasons for entering the war in Iraq. The Australian and British government joined in because what beter way is there to become united with a powerful country then bombing a smaller, weaker country?
People argue that America has invaded iraq for the oil and money, but this isn't the case. George beleived that by Invading Iraq and pushing the Idea of "Terrorism" and "Payback for 9/11" so he can be re-elected. And it worked. By pushing the idea that "I, the American president will save you from terrorism and defeat the bad guys" has been able to get him re-elected despite his obvious flaws.

Its a simple political technique, act like the populace needs you and your going to be elected.

 

[Lord_Ascendant]

some of you are either thick skulled or just don't get it. Its commissioned by the U/S. Army because it teaches you what its like to BE an American soldier without ever going to a recruiting station. (That is how my friend ended up enlisting but who cares) There is no propaganda, it's all thee to immerse you in the life of a soldier on the battlefield. As well as dictating that the mouse is as removed from the workings of actual guns like my ass is from the dark side of Europa. Analyze a game thoroughly before you say it sucks.

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

I just want to say that anyone who sfays 9/11 was orchestrated by Bush is being disingenuous.

 

[Terramax]

I just want to say that anyone who sfays 9/11 was orchestrated by Bush is being disingenuous.

Agreed. I don't think he could even successfully orchestrate a meal of beans on toast

 

[Fire Daemon]

People argue that America has invaded iraq for the oil and money, but this isn't the case. George beleived that by Invading Iraq and pushing the Idea of "Terrorism" and "Payback for 9/11" so he can be re-elected. And it worked. By pushing the idea that "I, the American president will save you from terrorism and defeat the bad guys" has been able to get him re-elected despite his obvious flaws.

Its a simple political technique, act like the populace needs you and your going to be elected.

Read Armed Madhouse by Greg Palast, he disagrees with you on the oil point.

Its more then just oil. Private security companies are one of the largest benefactors from the Iraq war. Oil may be a factor but it is not the only one.

 

[DrmChsr0]

Oil wasn't the reason for Afghanistan and Iraq (even though the oil companies would have benefited anyways). It was just an excuse to flex the military muscle. That and the Jews made them do it.

There's something called the Israel Lobby in America and their job is to champion the Israeli causes. Google it up. I'm sure you'll find it rather interesting.

And 9/11? You can sure as heck blame Bush for that one. but not because he planned the whole thing. It was because he didn't take action when it was clearly apparent terrorists wanted to strike at the heart of America.

 

[thebobmaster_v1legacy]

For my view on 9/11 and Bush's involvement, read "Lies and the Lying Liars That Tell Them" by al franken.