the Illogic of animal rights

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Verbera

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Flamezdudes said:
I think the animal right's stuff is rediculous, we're at the top of the food chain so we can eat what the fuck we want.

Plus, it's just nature. Animal's can't exactly think for themselves as well as humans, most just follow by instinct.
Wow. Just... wow.

I'm a hunter, so I don't find fault with eating the meat of animals that I shot (would be weird if I did) as long as the animals are not too diseased, but I do disagree with 95% of how animals who are part of the meat, dairy and leather industry are treated, and I doubt that anyone could be for that sort of thing.

As far as nature is concerned - there is no "intention". We aren't living in our natural habitat anymore and long since abandoned our "natural" ways, so using that as an argument for or against dietary restriction is just being silly.

EDIT: Also, I wonder how many of you guys who go "It's totes ok, humans were meant to eat meat!" do actually kill their own game for their own meat.
 

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Woodsey said:
I've never understood why we shouldn't eat animals. Yes we're more intelligent than animals (except for the dolphins and those pesky mice) but our base needs are exactly the same.

I agree that animals should be treated well before they're killed, but why shouldn't we kill them for food? It's nature.
These people just want to control others and they have a greater than thou God complex.
 

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If meat is murder, then I'm a serial killer.
Woodsey said:
I've never understood why we shouldn't eat animals. Yes we're more intelligent than animals (except for the dolphins and those pesky mice) but our base needs are exactly the same.

I agree that animals should be treated well before they're killed, but why shouldn't we kill them for food? It's nature.
Agreed. I like that Popplers episode of Futurama that kind of skates over that problem.

"Who wants dolphin?"

"Dolphin? But dolphins are intelligent!"

"Not this one. He blew all of his money on instant lottery tickets."
 

SilentStranger

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It's hard line to walk. On one hand, it seems like an obvious thing that animals should be treated with respect, and we should atleast have the decency to not torture them to death if we're going to eat them. But as for actual animal rights... What scares me is the thought that animals might be more intelligent than we think, though this is probably more misdirected anthromorphication on my part, but the idea that someone should be in their legal rights to abuse animals because they own them simply doesnt sit right with me.
 

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The Gentleman said:
Probably because I watched too many nature doctumentaries as a child, I would have to agree with you. That said, I've had this odd craving for human flesh as of late...
I've had this odd craving for human brains of late? Coincidence or zombifacation?
Zombies? in my vegetarianism?

More likely than you think!

Also, PETA goes a little too far. In the same way that everest is a "little" hill.
 

Graves

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The writer of the article makes a mistake pretty early on. He states that "The so-called "animal rights" movement is relying upon...". Then he puts down these premises that he somehow states are theirs. First of all there is no animal rights movement as one big machine. Animal rights are as human rights, an ideology. Different groups that work towards establishing fundamental rights for animals have different thoughts about many things. Some say: eat organic meat, others say don't eat meat at all. So the writers starts his article with a twisted assumption.

He states that we can kill because it's the way of nature. I think our conscience for one makes us different from animals. The writer probably feels he has more in common with a more primitive version of the homo sapiens than I do. That's fine, but don't speak for all humanity. He says we can kill for the reason of usefullness as long as we don't make a species extinct. Does that authorize him to kill people if he feels there are too many and killing some provides him with anything?

The article gets more ignorant every line, jeez. In short he states that because we are stronger and more intelligent we have the right to use, kill and do whatever we want to those who are not. Survival of the fittest he calls it. This holds no ground, whatsoever. We are indeed superior in intelligence. Because of that we can see and understand that animals know suffering, anxiety, pain etc. We are giving the tools, I say by nature he says through god, to shape the world. That some people, like the writer, use these tools to acknowledge their superiority over animals is a primitive thing. I am stronger, so you are mine to do as I please? Wasn't that the essence of slavery?

"Those people among us who would give lower animals human rights do not do it because they love other animals. They do it because they hate humankind. They hate the fact that their own superior nature as intellectual beings gives them superior challenges which they shrink from by attempting to deny the superiority of their human nature." This is bogus. Maybe I do love animals and maybe I don't. That´s not the point. I accept my ´superiority´ as a human being but with that I also accept the responsibility that comes with it (Spiderman quote anyone?) to do my best that no animals AND humans suffer.

"Animal rights" is just one more diabolic scheme for promoting government control over human lives by destroying our right to private property." Ah, the holy private property thing. I goes very well with the individualism that's getting bigger and bigger. Calling this a daibolical scheme is paranoid, cause governments aren't the biggest animal lovers themselves.

Overall, the article is pretty presumptious and written by someone who apparently is so happy to be a mighthy human being that he looks like the stereotypical bully on the playground. Picking on smaller kids and killing ants along the way.
 

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I did not climb to the top of the food chain to eat plants
That top of the food chain thing is not your accomplishment! You're standing on the shoulders of giants.
 

Treefingers

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Agreeing that animals have rights doesn't mean you have to be a vegan. I love meat, but i hope my meat was treated well before it was killed in a humane way.
 

Woodsey

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G1eet said:
If meat is murder, then I'm a serial killer.
Woodsey said:
I've never understood why we shouldn't eat animals. Yes we're more intelligent than animals (except for the dolphins and those pesky mice) but our base needs are exactly the same.

I agree that animals should be treated well before they're killed, but why shouldn't we kill them for food? It's nature.
Agreed. I like that Popplers episode of Futurama that kind of skates over that problem.

"Who wants dolphin?"

"Dolphin? But dolphins are intelligent!"

"Not this one. He blew all of his money on instant lottery tickets."
Futurama holds the answers to all of life's problems.
 

Lucifus

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PETA can suck eggy farts and die. I loved their campaign to get fish renamed to "Sea kittens". It was probably the only way they could have made them sound more delicious.
 

Gelp

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Well to me, humans have become such vaginas since we've become 'civilized' that we've forgotten the aspect and importance of meat in nature. Vegans should protest bears too because they are omnivores as well. You can't get pissed at a lion though because what else in the Sahara can properly nourish a lion? Grass?
But bears CAN eat plants and berries so why do they eat meat at all?
BECAUSE they know they need meat as well in order to be healthy.
If we were herbivores then why do we need the vitamin B12, which comes from meat?
We may be murderers, but so is every other animal that eats meat.
We're also not the only ones who torture our dinner. We just do it en mass and we're real dicks about it.
 

GreyWolf257

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Animal rights are great and all, but when PETA gets in on any situation with animals they can't just keep something in the middle, they have to make something saintly or evil. In other words, they say beating a puppy with a lock-in-a-sock is wrong, but they also say having a pet is wrong.

Note: Ecoterrorism (terrorism influenced by biology) is the most widely practiced form of terrorism in the U.S., according to a recent study. The people who do this are usually aligned with PETA (but not always). Also, I'm eating chicken for dinner.
 

Necrofudge

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Well I personally think that while animals should have some rights, the way that PETA is going about it is dumber than a second coat of paint. Do they realize that all their threats aren't helping even slightly? Nor are their helpful suggestions for how we could go about not eating meat. Frankly I'd rather listen to natural instinct than any activist for any cause anywhere.

I think that before these people are let out into society, they need to be given a textbook on biology and forced to read the sections detailing the food chain then make a presentation about it.