Depends, if the other AGREES to be hurt, then we've no grounds for condemning it. Any sexual act between two(or more) willing participants maybe a fetish, but certainly isn't 'wrong'.Indigo_Dingo said:
Unwilling is where morality kicks in.
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I happen to find something particularly disturbing about the ideals pressed upon your youth. I can see it now, in 50 years time, everyone is a rabid consumer bent on being able to throw as much money as possible to whatever the box says. We can't train our childeren for war, but we can train them to spend.
The Japanese are probably a bad example to cite in this argument. The Japanese do not really do identity politics and in fact find the concept a little incomprehensible. This will probably change as the Japanese population becomes more diverse due to the import of labor from China, Korea, the Philipines, and South America, and as feminism and gay rights become more established as social issues.Cheeze_Pavilion said:
....So...mshcherbatskaya said:
If Capcom and Sony are creating African Zombies, Obese Royalty and unrealistic female clothing it's more likely to be about misunderstanding of identity politics than about -ism's?
Can I call an end to these two threads then? Because at the moment we seem to be targetting the 'majority' as the Big Evil.
I have no shame? Grief...I'm surprised you can see the screen from looking down your nose so much.
You figure? I'm trying to bolt you down to what you're actually saying.
Uh...and the problem with that is?Cheeze_Pavilion said:
Because, unlike you, I try to keep to the argument at hand rather than inflate a statement to include all possible options.
Nope. In fact that works equally as well. Eminem's public image is targetted towards gay men as well as hetero men; in the same way that Kylie or Madonna is.
Maybe I won't. Ya know, because I really am not interested.
Right...Insight. Uh-huh. I forgot that you thinking you're better than me must be an insight to you. To most of the rest of us mere mortals though, it's base patronising.
Which you had no basis for. An opinion of something is not deemed false purely on an opposing opinion.
Asked twice now...
Well, it's unlikely that Capcom in their development stage would have watched "Revenge of the Nerds" or "Bloodsport"; and please don't deliberately misconstrue what I said. The image of Zangief was probably based on a stereotypical Russian which was then altered to appeal to players and to be easier to create for the artists.
Are you really reading what I'm saying here? Or are you just making up arguments as you go along?
I never called you sexist, so I figure Lisa must have at some point[/quote]
You figure? I'm trying to bolt you down to what you're actually saying.
Nope, please explain to me why "Unrestricted by reality" does not mean "unrealistic".
Both words apply. Don't try to avoid.
At which point I pointed out that there were men in that situation and women not in that situation. Are you crossing the streams, or just your medication?
Well, I'd try to use better syntax, grammar and punctuation; but I'd be more likely to point out that Whales also swim in the ocean, and why don't you hate them?
Avoidance of a direct question again Cheese. You're just trolling now.
It includes the basis of respecting other's opinions until you can bring solid fact against them. Merely holding your nose up high and looking over your glasses at me doesn't make you any closer to the truth.
Nope, that's you being patronizing. I'd advise you stop it before you run into someone who has a lesser fuse and busts your nose.
I do have friends though. And people who agree with me.
I'm not excusing it at all. I actually think that the lack of a concept of "diversity" in Japan is a real problem that limits their potential global participation on a number of levels. So just as I think that lack of diversity (to use a clumsy and ill-defined term) in the gaming industry is a serious business issue that limits expansion, I think it is similarly an issue with the Japanese.The_root_of_all_evil said:
That being the case, what I am saying it that pointing to the Japanese and saying, "Well, they don't have a problem with it!" or "The Japanese are a lot worse than us!" is not a particularly useful argument.
As far as calling an end to the thread, you can do that at any time. Just stop posting to it. I quit reading it a long time ago, and the only reason I'm posting over here now is that I was seeing what Cheeze was up to, just happened to see the comment about Japanese games, and identity politics or lack thereof in Japan happens to be an interest of mine.
One of the main factors that keeps this thread from falling off the first page is the continued to-ing and fro-ing between you and Cheeze. I bet the thing would die pretty quickly if either one of you stopped feeding it, and you seem to be more sick of it than he is. If this thread was a game and you found it as boring, repetitive, and pointless, you would have quit playing a long time ago, wouldn't you?
never heard anyone complaining back also i do wonder why they did change her dress in the alpha series to that jump suit thing?
yes they did star wars and star trek fans where all over the place and they didn't have the internet to ***** on so it was all done in the local comic book/game shops, shadow run was all the rage, fantasy games and movies was the dog bollocks for the old school hardcore gamers aka sweaty nerds in the basement sat playing D&D and as for the costume change because it was a bad move thats why they went back to the old style in 3rd strike, i miss the back then period...(emo tier)
that people could talk about things like sf 2 and such but didn't complain back then all they argued about was who would win in a fight between Mario and sonic or how a street fighter movie may or may not be awesome if you have ever seen an old games mag you would see what i mean