The issue of "Mens Rights"

[Vault101]

on the internet it seems there is a new group emergine...angry men who campgn for mens rights like this guy: http://www.angryharry.com/esFeminismCausesTrafficCongestion.htm <-I would hazard a guess that he is on the extreme end of things

on the extreme end, you have the belive that feminists are some big powerful force that are out to destry men (I mean on almost conspirisy theory levels)

but anyway

some see it as thinly veild mysogany...or just whining..as pointied out in this blog (for extra fun read the comments) http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/i-am-angry-white-man-hear-me-roar/

BUT thats not to say there arnt some issues, I think thats hard to deny

personally[/B]
its somtimes hard not to be biased, but I absolutly detest the likes of angry harry up their..ESPECIALLY when you use bullshit arguments like "MEN did all the good stuff in society blah blah blah" no...just no

I think its just an outlet for a general hate of the oposite gender...JUST like extreme feminists, thease groups arnt any better

and thats whats frustrating..no middle ground, YES there are issues though, and they need some attention, but it shits me when some feel the need to stoop to the hateful "feminazi" line of thinking they hate so much themselfs..

on other words..fucking hypocrites...(just the extremists mind)

but thats jsut me...

what do you think? shoud htease guys just man up and stop whining? they correct in anyway?

 

[ms_sunlight]

Right, before this one kicks off:

Read Man Boobz [http://manboobz.com/].

It's a blog. It mocks MRAs. It's funny as hell.

 

[krazykidd]

Well , i believe in equality . Woman and men SHOULD have the same rights. Unfortunatly , Men get away with too many things woman can't and vice versa . I think personally that men's rights group ( and i think havig a group for mens rights is a good thing as long as they don't degrade woman ) and women rights groups , should merge together and become a human right group . The problem with men and women rights is tht each side is going to vouche for themselves which will inevitably lead to an imbalance .

Women want more rights , thats okay as long as they don't surpass men and vice versa .

 

[AndyFromMonday]

It's funny, people get blasted for misrepresenting feminism but you seem to be quite content with misrepresenting masculism.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

It is bullshit. The western male really has nothing to complain about. But please don't use the phrase "man up". It implies that guys should just suck something up and shouldn't ever complain because they are manly men. And manly men don't complain. But this is just a case of guys losing the overwhelming power that they had in society as things become more balanced and some men take that badly.

 

[Vault101]

It's funny, people get blasted for misrepresenting feminism but you seem to be quite content with misrepresenting masculism.

did I now?

My real beef is with the extremeists..obviously, I cant take issue with somone poiting out certain issues that affect their group (such as men getting screwed over in custody battles) but certain ways of going about it..and certain attitudes I do take issue with

mabye I just didnt make it clear enough

 

[Vault101]

It is bullshit. The western male really has nothing to complain about. But please don't use the phrase "man up". It implies that guys should just suck something up and shouldn't ever complain because they are manly men. And manly men don't complain. But this is just a case of guys losing the overwhelming power that they had in society as things become more balanced and some men take that badly.

the "man-up" thing isnt exactally somthing I belive..I was just repeating what people somtimes say...the phrase is probably a bit stupid anyway

 

[AndyFromMonday]

did I now?

Yes, you did. You provided a link to some extremist nut's website who hides his insecurities behind the masculist movement then asked people what they think about masculism.

 

[Vault101]

did I now?

Yes, you did. You provided a link to some extremist nut's website who hides his insecurities behind the masculist movement then asked people what they think about masculism.

I didn't exactally say "MRM is bullshit! jut take a look at THIS!" I did mention it was on the extreme ends of thing...I wanted to give an example of that

 

[OmniscientOstrich]

It is bullshit. The western male really has nothing to complain about. But please don't use the phrase "man up". It implies that guys should just suck something up and shouldn't ever complain because they are manly men. And manly men don't complain. But this is just a case of guys losing the overwhelming power that they had in society as things become more balanced and some men take that badly.

Thank you, I don't know where this victim complex among white, heterosexual, men has been cropping up all of a sudden in the past few years, but it's something I've been noticing around quite a few forums. It's like if someone brings up one double standard that goes against them, they instantly forget about the countless others that favour them. Some people just need to accept that the times are a-changing.

- Omni ^_^

 

[Aidinthel]

Someone posted this video in the last of these threads and I must admit it represents the sum total of my knowledge of the Manosphere.

 

[Vrex360]

Whenever I hear the words 'man's rights activists' the following thing always returns to my memory:
http://www.amptoons.com/blog/2009/08/06/mens-rights-activists-anti-feminists-and-other-misogynists-comment-on-george-sodini/

Yes, you read that right. These are grown men actually celebrating the deaths of three innocent women back in 2009, who apparently deserved DEATH for not offering themselves sexually to men whenever men feel they have a 'right' to it.
Yet, terrifyingly they aren't the worst. I've seen groups like 'a voice for men' celebrate themselves for sending legitimate rape and death threats to feminist bloggers who they consider to be 'evil and bigoted' for daring to suggest that rape is a serious issue.
Her take on the situation:
http://tigerbeatdown.com/2011/10/11/on-blogging-threats-and-silence/


Now yes, I'm aware that these extremists are a vocal minority of the 'mens rights movement' which I understand is something our society needs but it really boils my blood when someone can find one random comment by a feminist blogger very vocally criticising some piece of popular culture as being 'extreme' and 'evidence of a total crazy feminazi *****' while all I can think is:
"If the worst thing I can say for her is she overthinks elements of popular culture then that pales utterly in comparison to rape threats and the celebration of the death of young women. Which do you honestly think is worse?"

Look I am a man and I support issues like men's health and societal presentation of men and things like that. However I'm also not blind to the fact that as a white, straight man the vast majority of the mainstream media seems to be made specifically for my tastes, my ilk own the largest percentage of the world's wealth and ownership of large corporations, historically people like me have never had to fight for any of the basic human rights that others have and I'm even living quite a comfortable lifestyle.
While I agree that there are some things in this world that need to be rectified, like a more balanced chance for men to earn the kids in a divorce, more shelters for men and greater emphasis on men's health but I hardly feel like there's such a societal shift to believe that women now dominate the world and men are but their slaves and sperm factories.

So if I have to conclude this post I'll just say that just as I consider myself a male feminist, I suppose it should go without saying that I support men's rights groups as well. As long as they actually are fighting for men's rights and not just a bunch of cowardly bitter self entitled misogynists who think that the loss of a few privellages means that the whole world has fallen into disarray.

 

[Vault101]

sniperoo.

and why cant people be this sane/reasonable when it comes to stuff like this?

 

[AndyFromMonday]

Yes, you did. You provided a link to some extremist nut's website who hides his insecurities behind the masculist movement then asked people what they think about masculism.

I didn't exactally say "MRM is bullshit! jut take a look at THIS!" I did mention it was on the extreme ends of thing...I wanted to give an example of that

But you specifically stated you wanted to start a discussion on men's rights. Even if you admitted the guy was an extremist, your post still encourages people to bash on MRA. This post only serves to further ostracize a movement that is severely misunderstood on these forums.

 

[Kahunaburger]

Huh, apparently being the vast majority of heads of state/board officials/executives, higher pay, and the ability to pee standing up isn't enough for some dudes.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

historically people like me have never had to fight for any of the basic human rights that others have and I'm even living quite a comfortable lifestyle.

This is the only bit in that that I see as wrong. There have been cases of people who are white skinned being treated like second class citizens and yes I do have a certain bias to these cases but here we go. One case would be over in America a few years ago the boats would say "No Blacks, Dogs or Irish allowed" along with no Blacks and Irish need apply for jobs.

There are also these things called the Penal Laws. Now this is going back 400ish years but the actual laws introduced in the Penal laws were completely fucking ridiculous and mad.

Spoiler: Here are some of the Laws. A notable one I would like to include is a tax on Windows also that these laws affected everyone but members of the Church of Ireland

The Catholic Church forbidden to keep church registers.
The Irish Catholic was forbidden the exercise of his religion.
He was forbidden to receive education.
He was forbidden to enter a profession.
He was forbidden to hold public office.
He was forbidden to engage in trade or commerce.
He was forbidden to live in a corporate town or within five miles thereof.
He was forbidden to own a horse of greater value than five pounds.
He was forbidden to own land.
He was forbidden to lease land.
He was forbidden to accept a mortgage on land in security for a loan.
He was forbidden to vote.
He was forbidden to keep any arms for his protection.
He was forbidden to hold a life annuity.
He was forbidden to buy land from a Protestant.
He was forbidden to receive a gift of land from a Protestant.
He was forbidden to inherit land from a Protestant.
He was forbidden to inherit anything from a Protestant.
He was forbidden to rent any land that was worth more than 30 shillings a year.
He was forbidden to reap from his land any profit exceeding a third of the rent.
He could not be guardian to a child.
He could not, when dying, leave his infant children under Catholic guardianship.
He could not attend Catholic worship.
He was compelled by law to attend Protestant worship.
He could not himself educate his child.
He could not send his child to a Catholic teacher.
He could not employ a Catholic teacher to come to his child.
He could not send his child abroad to receive education.

Anyway I am just trying to say just because a group of white males control a lot of wealth does not mean that other groups have not be subject to stuff like genocide or discrimination in their own country. I will agree there is a positive bias towards that group regardless of that in society that we need to move past.

 

[JoesshittyOs]

Oh God.

This is too funny. I was dying from that video posted.