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Gone Rampant

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No, this has nothing to do with the Dragon Age 2 quest of the same name.

BioWare... *Sigh* I'm at the end of the road with you.

I've been forced to defend myself from trolls, forumgoers on so many different places, and who knows what else to defend you after That Ending.

I tried, BioWare, I really did. But... I can't lie to myself any more.

I mean, our relationship started out so wonderful, with the shiny lights of the Citadel as we first met Shepard, the Mako, those frickin' elevators... I even dug up my Nintendo DS to try out Sonic Chronicles The Dakr Brotherhood, I loved Mass Effect so much!

When Dragon Age Origins came out, I was a little under the age cert, so I borrowed the Ultimate Edition, and loved all of it- the characters, the plot, all of it!

And then Mass Effect 2 happened- from strength to strength, you implemented cover shooting, a new system and great characters... and a mining system we all ignored when we got 50, 000 in each resource after beating the game. And then the DLC happened- Kasumi, Overlord, Lair Of The Shadow Broker, Arrival, that pack with the Mattock Rifle... pure excelence.

And then I went and played KOTOR. Sure, the Revan twist was ruined before I played it, but it introduced me to a club on DeviantArt where I met most of my friends on that website!

Sure, Dragon Age 2 was repetitive in its enviroments (Presumably since you only stopped making Origins DLC around half a year before DA2 came out), but you made up for it with the characters, from wannabe terrorist Anders, to Brooding Fenris, to Saucy Isabella... all lovable in their own right.

And then? Mass Effect 3 happened.

Oh, it was a great ride up to the end- Rannoch, Tuchanka, Thessia until Kai Leng showed up... it felt like it was all leading up to a massive drum smash- the finale we all wanted.

And then I reached the Starchild. And then after I picked my colour... I was disappointed with a BioWare game for the first time since I'd met you.

And all of the "Artistic Integrity," stuff? Really? I was happy when a rogue employee said that Casey appearantely hijacked the ending and wrote it himself- soem logic was available to salvage this, surely?

But then I looked back and forward- at The Old Republic's misarable Free-To-Play options, at the horror that was Mass Effect Deception, and Liara's status as a Creator's Pet that should just STFU... and I realised one thing.

Everything you've touched since Mass effect 2 has failed to satisfy everyone in the way your old games did.

And you know why?

E. ****ing. A.

You wanted a bigger paycheck at the end, right? Just wanted to take us for granted, lead us along with a Grand Finale while the puppetmaster played his sogn and dance, deliving a dagger blow to our hearts for the Deus Ex Machina that was The Ending, at how the Extended Cut merely made the endings bearable, at how Refusal was a slap in the face, at how Dragon Age 2 and ME3 were rushed, at how Priority Earth was cut in half when the game files made it sound magnificant, at how Kai Leng was pathetic both as a villian and as a character, at Liara's supposed "Plot importance," despite her not being there while Garrus and Tali were, at how I KNOW Dragon Age 3 will be rushed, and how I know that this time next year I'll just stop looking the other way and just stop lying to myself.

There are plenty of decent Sci-Fi authors out there who would have jumped at the chance to write Deception, yet you pick an idiot, while an author like Peter Watts would have been perfect for the novels after Drew left to piss on my dreams about what happened to Revan and Exile (Stabbed in the back by The New Guy? REALLY?), and you don't even have the balls to reference the Indoctrination Theory, despite it being better then YOUR ending.

I've had it BioWare. The only way I'd stay with you is if you actually make the Ending worthwhile, No Starchild, No cut elements from Priority Earth, No ****ing Red, Blue or Green. I'd only stay if you publicly apologised for the ending- not fire anyone, just say "Sorry" for making a bad ending to an otherwise fantastic game and for throwing a ****ing IGN reporter in there who couldn't emote if she was on fire.

What's that? EA won't let you? ****'em.

Obsidian proved that Kickstarter is worthwhile- if you used that, then you'd certainyl have enough cash to make your games.

Remember the glory days, BioWare? They were when you made money so you could make games, not when you made games to make money.

Look at what Dead Space 3 has become- nothing like the original. Battlefield? It's getting worse all the time to fight a brand that's just not worth talkign about anymore- I mean, Medal Of Honour died a long time ago.

If Bethesda made this mistake, they'd fix it- oh wait. They DID. Fallout 3 Broken Steel? They even added an entire new quest chain, new gear,characters- we'll be lucky if Shepard just gets to see everyone again.

I've just... I'm really sorry, BioWare. But you forced my hand.

If Dragon Age 3 is just another example of EA rushing you, that's it- I'm done, no more BioWare games shall be bought by me ever again.

So, might as well pack my bags then, if it's coming out next year.
-Gone Rampant.

PS: I copied this from BioWare Social, since I expect it to be pulled down. If I made spelling errors, my spellcheck program doesn't work there, strangely.
 

Rose and Thorn

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Yeah EA sucks.

I liked Bioware games also, but it is the avalanche of DLC crap that has turned me away from them. There are plenty of great RPG's coming out that I don't really care that I am going to miss out on Dragon age and Mass effect.

Like you said, plenty of awesome Kickstarter games on the horizon, Project Eternity and Wasteland 2, for example. Maybe they won't try to butt rape me with DLC.
 

goose4291

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This has been the problem with Bioware and EA since day one.

Remember when someone ripped open the sound files for Dragon Age: Origins, and found a whole other origin that was in the process of being implemented?
 

King Billi

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Is that it? Just another petulant whine about Mass Effects 3 ending!?

Whatever...

By the way shouldn't this just be the "first" straw? You're not even giving them the benefit of the doubt.
 

DoPo

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King Billi said:
Is that it? Just another petulant whine about Mass Effects 3 ending!?
I don't know, I was hoping it was not, then I reached the part that said it was. That was a quarter in. I took a single quick gland over the rest and saw something about EA, too. So I'm guessing that yes, it is ME3's ending, probably with some EA thrown in. But I might be wrong since there is so much text, there is actually room for more. But I don't feel like reading the whole of it to find out. I've read my share of ME3 complaints for this year (probably the next too) - I just cannot sympathise, understand, be enraged or whatever by them for the time being.
 

Hero in a half shell

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Gone Rampant said:
Don't blame Bioware for being bought over by EA, strictly speaking it wasn't their fault, and EA didn't screw them over instantly (they were bought in 2007, just before Mass Effect came out, so it was probably virtually all coded before the merger, but Sonic Chronicles was released in 2008, Dragon Age Origins in 2009, and ME 2 in 2010, so the credit for them would have to be given at least partially to EA!)

Bioware were a very small company that made games that became freakishly popular, but their publisher went bust, so they had to rely on a slew of different independent publishers to get each game out the door (KOTOR was published by Lucasarts, for example, Neverwinter Nights by Atari.)

What Bioware did first in 2005 to get around this was partner with Pandemic; another studio in a similar situation with a lot of success and spare cash. They pooled their resources and managed to self publish successfully, unfortunately this meant handing a lot of control of the company over to a private equity fund. The one that was chosen was co-founded by some dude called John Riccitiello.

You may have heard that name before. It should probably be eerily familiar to you. Why not Wikipedia him and tell me if you see anything interesting, anything that jumps out at you as being... odd about him?: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Riccitiello


That's right, in 2007 he also became the CEO of a company called Electronic Arts. You may have heard of it.
Buying Bioware/Pandemic was one of the first decisions he made as CEO. As I said, he was also a co-founder with the company that owned B/P so... let's just say negotiations were short.

The company was bought and integrated into EA (not in the mutually beneficial way Pandemic/Bioware had successfully merged, but in EA's usual "Being eaten by Kirby" style that they did for every other company they merged with and that has never ever worked. Like ever.

The decision wasn't really Biowares to make, When the same man is both buying and selling your company, there's pretty much nothing you can do.

John Riccitiello got a $5 million golden handshake from his private equity firm for such a lucrative business deal, Pandemic got shut down less than a year after being bought: only enough time to release one single game, and Bioware managed to do well with the extra funding for their games... for a while, but EA inevitably meddled with their breakneck deadlines, overhead corporate design decisions and general dickishness that eroded the best parts of the games they were making until they ended up with the cons outweighing the pros and . So now we're pretty much seeing the Twilight years of a once great company before EA finally pulls the trigger, laments for a second on what Bioware did wrong to fail them, and buys up another successful small company with the promise of cash so it can wring all the money possible out of it's IPs by franchising them before the companies reputation gets too broken by the crap it's producing and the whole cycle continues forever.

I've told this story about 3 times now, and it never gets boring for me to write it out again. That pretty much sums up how much I hate EA.
 

Chimpzy_v1legacy

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Mypetmonkey said:
King Billi said:
I know right? I was like *read* *read* *read* *wall of text* *wall of text*.... "I DEMAND A REMAKE OF MASS EFFECT ENDING DERP"....

I mean this? Again? Not even again! AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN???? And on and on and on and on and on and on???

IT IS TIME........ to get over it.
Indeed, we're coming to the point where still going on about this is starting to come off as masochistic. ME3 ending sucks, EA is evil, this, that and so on. How very, very trite.

Also, the Indoctrination Theory is not better or clever. It's disappointed fans desperately grasping at straws to construe something which boils down to an "It was all a dream"-ending and which actually doesn't resolve anything at all. An even more stupid and asinine cop-out conclusion to the trilogy than the deus ex machina we got.
 

aguspal

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Well, I always hated Bioware ever since I tried Dragon Shit 1.

I dont want to have ANYTHING to do with them since that one time.

Ea is... a little overhated IMO thougt. But still bad.
 

DrunkOnEstus

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It seems all that's safe to add at this point was the aneurysm I had trying to thinking about Mass Effect 1 being an introduction to Bioware as a developer. I hate getting old.
 

Gone Rampant

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King Billi said:
Is that it? Just another petulant whine about Mass Effects 3 ending!?

Whatever...

By the way shouldn't this just be the "first" straw? You're not even giving them the benefit of the doubt.
If you wanna get specific, I complain about everything made between 2011- now (TOR, Deception, TOr's Free-To-Play).

It's not a while about ME3- that game has lots of flaws (Liara as a whole, constantly seeing the damn Avanger/Predator, Kai Leng, etc), but it's still a great ride.

If I was complaining about the ending, I'd have sarcastically lampshaded it with, "Here we go again..." Here? I'm talkign about BioWare and, as mentioned above, the shithole they wound up in with Pandemic (God I miss those guys...).
 

Nikolaz72

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Gone Rampant said:
King Billi said:
Is that it? Just another petulant whine about Mass Effects 3 ending!?

Whatever...

By the way shouldn't this just be the "first" straw? You're not even giving them the benefit of the doubt.
If you wanna get specific, I complain about everything made between 2011- now (TOR, Deception, TOr's Free-To-Play).

It's not a while about ME3- that game has lots of flaws (Liara as a whole, constantly seeing the damn Avanger/Predator, Kai Leng, etc), but it's still a great ride.

If I was complaining about the ending, I'd have sarcastically lampshaded it with, "Here we go again..." Here? I'm talkign about BioWare and, as mentioned above, the shithole they wound up in with Pandemic (God I miss those guys...).
God I love posting this.. Hehe. Although its not pandemic it gets the point across...

 

-Ezio-

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DA3 is coming out late next year and started development over a year and a half ago i believe. so it's not that rushed is it?
 

Coffeejack

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EA is a cancer on the games industry. People were naive enough to believe that their beloved BioWare wouldn't die like aaaaall the other companies on the growing list. I guess they never heard of Westwood. If the EA label is on it, just say no, kids - you'll be saving yourself a great deal of money and disappointment.

When the buying stops, the bullshit can too.
 

Nimzabaat

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I know that feeling. For me they started the downward spiral at ME2. ME2 dropped the simple and elegant cover system of ME1 for a more Gears of War based system (I like Gears of War, and I know imitation is the highest form of flattery but... it ruined playing the game for me). DA2 had some great characters, terrible writing, shoe-horned conflict and "The Cave". Then ME3 which almost made up for ME2 until, you know.

Though since Bioware's latest efforts have both price dropped very quickly after launch due to feedback, at least if you're curious about Dragon Age 3 you won't have long to wait to get it cheap!
 

Bobic

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My God, IT WORKED, I HAVE MADE THE GREATEST SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY IN HISTORY, I HAVE SUCCESSFULLY TRAVELLED BACK IN TIME. I WENT FROM NOVEMBER 2012 BACK TO MARCH 2012. . . I can't wait to tell everyone back in my time about my new invention. Have a good time past folk, I'll see you in the future.
 

RaikuFA

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Bobic said:
My God, IT WORKED, I HAVE MADE THE GREATEST SCIENTIFIC DISCOVERY IN HISTORY, I HAVE SUCCESSFULLY TRAVELLED BACK IN TIME. I WENT FROM NOVEMBER 2012 BACK TO MARCH 2012. . . I can't wait to tell everyone back in my time about my new invention. Have a good time past folk, I'll see you in the future.
Congrats, you just won the internets with the most awesome post ever.

I shall shake your hand.
 

Diablo2000

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... Just another Mass Effect 3 Ending Thread...

On another note, was Sonic Dark Brotherhood any good?