The last WoW expansion: sad note to go out on?

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Mike Fang

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So it's no secret that Blizzard's announced the next expansion for WoW is going to be the last one. While I'll be among those breathing a sigh of relief that finally it won't be hogging such a big portion of the MMO market and will open hopefully start to allow some of the newer IP to get a more substantial share of the player base, I won't be dancing a jig on the game's grave. I'll admit I had some fun with it in the past and I do think the story's an entertaining one. That being the case, I'd hoped that when the game finally did see its final chapter, it would be with an appropriately climactic and epic challenge.

So when I look over this final expansion and see who the big baddies are supposed to be, I can't help but think this isn't the glorious finale to a vast and sweeping storyline, but the last stumbling steps of a mammoth as it collapses to die shitting itself from dysentery. See, the WoW storyline, for most of its run, managed to do a decent job escalating the stakes with its ultimate villains. For the core game at launch, you had a big evil dragon, the king of the fire elementals and the leader of a race of giant insects. In Burning Crusade, you had what was essentially an arch demon. In WoTLK, you had the lord of all undead. And in Cata, you had a giant arch-dragon capable of global destruction.

But after that, things seemed to get wonky. Mists seemed to me to be something of a latteral step, maybe even a step backward. The ultimate villain turns out to be Garoosh, a pissed-off orc leading a bunch of other pissed-off orcs. Yes, he was the warchief and leading an army, but it was hard to feel like he was truly a global threat on par with villains like the Lich King or Deathwing. He wasn't an unholy abomination risen from the grave that seemed to be unkillable, nor was he a dragon so huge he could destroy an entire country just by farting on it. His was a threat that didn't seem so insurmountable or one that threw the possibility of victory into question. He's got an army? Guess what, so does the Alliance, and one that's ostensibly not suffering from divided loyalties. He wants a war? Fine, the Alliance can give him one. It's not that I think Garoosh was to be underestimated; its just that he seemed like a problem that could be handled if taken seriously; and he was taken seriously, so they did handle him.

Now in this last expansion, Warlords of Draenor, from what I've seen of the advertisements, the ultimate baddies this time around are going to be...Pissed-Off Orcs Part 2. Really Blizzard? Is this the note you want the game that single-handedly maintained your dominance of the mmo market for years to go out on? A retread of ground already covered (Draenor) with essentially the same villians from the expansion a lot of people have said was the weakest (at least story-wise)?

Personally, if there was going to be an end to the WoW-era plotline (I know I've heard rumors they're going to continue the RTS Warcraft franchise) I would think they'd want it to be something suitably world-shaking in its story. There's been major hints with the dwarf facet of the WoW canon that the Titans were due to return to Azeroth one day. So why not go out on THAT? The people of Azeroth could unite under the power of their creators to finally banish away Sageras, the god of all evil in the Warcraft universe. After facing a threat like Deathwing, that would truly be the only manner in which I could imagine the stakes rising any higher. And he would certainly feel like a more compelling ultimate, final-showdown-style bad guy than Garoosh and his cronies with their anger management issues.
 

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Mike Fang said:
So it's no secret that Blizzard's announced the next expansion for WoW is going to be the last one.
Clearly it's been kept as a secret from me, because this is literally the first I've heard of it and I consume quite the share of WoW-related media. I've found nothing about this on google. In fact, it's talk about what the expansion after WoD might be. Citation please.
 

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LetalisK said:
Mike Fang said:
So it's no secret that Blizzard's announced the next expansion for WoW is going to be the last one.
Clearly it's been kept as a secret from me, because this is literally the first I've heard of it and I consume quite the share of WoW-related media. I've found nothing about this on google. In fact, it's talk about what the expansion after WoD might be. Citation please.
This.

There is no indication that this is the last expansion.
 

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I always imagined Sargeras would be the final bad guy of WoW. Considering everyone seems to disagree this will be the last xpac, maybe he will still get his chance.
 

BloatedGuppy

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Blizzard has announced they have plans for something like 10 expansions on the docket. Naturally they won't use them all, but they've got concepts galore.

OP has been eating the mushrooms that grow under the porch again.

Mike Fang said:
The ultimate villain turns out to be Garoosh, a pissed-off orc leading a bunch of other pissed-off orcs.
The "ultimate villain", such as it was, was the Sha, which stemmed from a deceased Old God. The Old Gods have been a running theme since Vanilla, and will likely play a significant role in the game for some time to come.

I also highly doubt the Iron Horde will emerge as the penultimate baddie by the time Warlords of Draenor is over.
 

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I thought Cataclysm was going to be the last glorious dance. I'm glad I was wrong, because it rather fell apart as it went on. And while unconventional, Mists of Pandaria was quite good. Damn good, in fact. "aprels foosl raec" or not, the pandas and their lovely island was a good bit of work. Good thing there were not much talk about MoP was going to be the finale, because that'd made WoD look even less interesting beside it.

I doubt WoD will be the final expansion either, unless something goes very, very wrong. Even if subscriptions keep falling, they've got plenty of room to cut costs to keep the balance. And good thing too, if it means being able to give WoD a miss.

Maybe I'm just bitter because the Draenei have been locked away in the Metzbox yet again. Can't ever catch a break, can they? It's their world too, and it's even before the Orcs killed the vast majority of them the first time they got tricked into being very mean. But big Orcs in big metal houses just aren't very interesting right now.
 

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Muspelheim said:
I doubt WoD will be the final expansion either, unless something goes very, very wrong. Even if subscriptions keep falling, they've got plenty of room to cut costs to keep the balance. And good thing too, if it means being able to give WoD a miss.
Subs are up. From 6.8 million to 7.4. Should climb again through WoD's release and...I dunno...first 3-5 months or so. Then they'll start declining again.
 

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Garrosh won't be the final boss of WoD. They already said this, after someone asked, if Garrosh will be the final encounter again. I guess, it will be something much more powerful than Orcs.
Also, this won't be the final addon. There were rumors that that they'll shut down WoW with the release of Titan, but seems like this won't happen.
 

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WoW has an indefinite time remaining, but at least 6 years, which will be at least another 3 expansions after this one. They want to step up the expansion rate from every 24 months to at least every 18 months. I would not be at all surprised if WoW continues for a dozen years or more.

The MMO industry has utterly failed, making the mistake many of us long ago told them they were making by producing WoW clone after WoW clone. The insipid and uninspired MMO industry has given Blizzard an easy path to vast wealth, and provided gamers with limited options for their MMO gaming.

Now South Korea is arguably the biggest hope in the mainstream MMO industry, with Pearl Abyss's upcoming Black Desert Online.
 

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I don't know where you got the idea Warlords was the last expansion, but it isn't.

Anyway Garrosh and most of the Warlords die pretty early on actually. Smart money is on either the Burning Legion or Wrathion being the true big baddies of the expansion, my bet's on Burning Legion since Gul'Dan is around and he's all about the demony stuff.

Despite Mist of Pandaria being a pretty dumb premise it turned out to be a damned solid expansion really, so I have decent hopes for Warlords as well. I still don't give a crap about the panda's nor particularly care about their story, but the other stuff throughout the expansion was good and the improvements made throughout were well done. I expect this to be similar.
 

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I think Wrathion is going to be the big baddie an Xpac or two after WoD. Next Xpac I think Jaina Proudmoore is going to end up going bad. After all, there's going to be a second Skull of Gul'Dan floating around... :p
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
Well THAT would be a kick in the nuts. After all I've done for that little bastard.
It's no big secret that it was Wrathion's people that broke Garrosh out of prison to begin with, although whether the whole Iron Horde thing was ever in the plans or not is hard to tell. In either case Wrathion's got that whole 'save the world at any cost' thing going for him that might as well mean there's a giant flashing neon future raid boss sign over his head.

I like Blizzard and all, but neither subtlety nor writing in general have ever been one of their strengths. I still enjoy their stuff obviously, but then I've always been a sucker for corny B grade movies and cheesy fantasy paperbacks as well.
 

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The Madman said:
It's no big secret that it was Wrathion's people that broke Garrosh out of prison to begin with, although whether the whole Iron Horde thing was ever in the plans or not is hard to tell. In either case Wrathion's got that whole 'save the world at any cost' thing going for him that might as well mean there's a giant flashing neon future raid boss sign over his head.
Whaaaaat? I thought it was the Bronze Dragonflight that broke Garrosh out, specifically Kairoz. Is Wrathion not Deathwing's son, and thus Black Dragonflight? Or by "his people" do you just mean "dragons"?

The Madman said:
I like Blizzard and all, but neither subtlety nor writing in general have ever been one of their strengths. I still enjoy their stuff obviously, but then I've always been a sucker for corny B grade movies and cheesy fantasy paperbacks as well.
Yeah it's enjoyable on the level of campy goodness. Great literature it is not, but it's fun in the way superhero movies are fun.
 

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Alrightalrightalright, I rechecked some of the "announcements" I'd seen and turns out it was some game critics saying the next expansion after Mists SHOULD be the last. Alright, my mistake, those of you about to flip your shit, just calm your tits.

Oh, and BloatedGuppy? "Original Poster has been eating the mushrooms under the porch again?" Two words: bite me.
 

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Mike Fang said:
Oh, and BloatedGuppy? "Original Poster has been eating the mushrooms under the porch again?" Two words: bite me.
I love you too, Mike Fang.

Mike Fang said:
Alrightalrightalright, I rechecked some of the "announcements" I'd seen and turns out it was some game critics saying the next expansion after Mists SHOULD be the last.
That sounds like some sloppy games criticism to me. There should be some kind of consumer movement to speak out against this sort of thing.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
Whaaaaat? I thought it was the Bronze Dragonflight that broke Garrosh out, specifically Kairoz. Is Wrathion not Deathwing's son, and thus Black Dragonflight? Or by "his people" do you just mean "dragons"?
Yep, that's the one. Deathwings kid. Garrosh escape was apparently all orchestrated by Wrathion, who had his henchpeople break Garrosh out of prison and put him in contact with Kairoz. Beyond that however we don't know yet. Wrathion shows up again in Warlords, but as far as I'm aware his motives haven't been revealed yet only that he's in some way involved in a lot of what's going on.

I don't think he's going to end up being the big baddie of this expac, not with the Burning Legion poking their noses over the horizon and Gul'Dan on the loose, but I'd say it's really only a matter of time before he joins Sylvanas on the list of future raid bosses.

BloatedGuppy said:
Yeah it's enjoyable on the level of campy goodness. Great literature it is not, but it's fun in the way superhero movies are fun.
Agreed. As long as it's not taken too seriously, Blizzard is good for corny but fun stories I figure.
 

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Call me when they make an Emerald Dream expansion, which was supposed to come after TBC.