The little things that made you not want a game

[LiquidSolstice]

DRM, a company that believes it's customers are criminals publishing and/or making the game, multiplayer(It almost always detracts from the SP, and I buy only for SP), sameyness, and being Call of Duty.

Yes, that's the intention of DRM. To punish its customers.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

DRM, a company that believes it's customers are criminals publishing and/or making the game, multiplayer(It almost always detracts from the SP, and I buy only for SP), sameyness, and being Call of Duty.

Yes, that's the intention of DRM. To punish its customers.

Intended or not that's all it ever does.

You mean, that's all the media outlets ever report on.

 

[Squilookle]

OK let's see. None of these are deal breakers, but a game WILL lose points for them.

*Any setting later than WW2 for a military shooter (Vietnam gets a pass if it stocks up on the appropriate music)
*The lack of a mission select screen in a sandbox game.
*In ANY game: scripted setpieces, QTEs, or a plot-based sudden loss of all your equipment.
*Ironsights
*Forced online service subscriptions to play a game.

Things that pretty much ARE deal breakers:

*The appearance of any kind of magic in any RPG or Medieval game.
*Any multiplayer shooter with a complete disregard for offline multiplayer/instant action against bots.
*Any Star Wars game NOT being set in the Civil War.
*Any flying game where you can only fly jets.
*crippling DRM
*A publisher/developer's previously demonstrated complete disregard for their end users.

Just curious, what kinds of games DO you play? Practically everything has scripted segments, and almost all modern (in release date, not setting) shooters have ironsights. Sci-Fi RPGs maybe?

There is heaps out there that I play- just not a lot of really recent stuff. Also notice that half the things I listed were NOT deal breakers. I made sure that I pointed that out in the original post.

 

[SanguineSymphony]

Another thing I love about Tactics is that the game is chock full of references to the other FF games before it. For example, you'll find a journal entry or somesuch detailing ruins of Paramecia, which was from Final Fantasy II. You can also recruit monsters, and the game is only $10 if you buy it off the PSN. My one complaint that was in the original game, and I don't know if it's still in WotL, is that the game starts out very difficult, then gets easier until random battles where the difficulty randomly spikes back up again.

Yeah, that sounds really interesting, actually. I may end up getting the game eventually, just because I KNOW that I would like it if I started playing it, as much or more so than FFTA. But again, the picky monster at the back of my brain is just saying "noop, y u no has meh peeplez?". But the capture monsters thing may be enough to make me eventually change my mind, especially since I've heard almost nothing but good about the game.

Why isn't Disgaea an option? Its got some monsters and its on the PSP.

 

[CptnCosmos]

Lack of Quicksave (or save in general) or cutscenes that you can't skip like in LA Noire

I'd play that game through if I could go back and fix my mistakes without having to

a) sit through all the cutscenes, and
b) go through the whole case again

 

[Fleetfiend]

Why isn't Disgaea an option? Its got some monsters and its on the PSP.

It is an option, but that isn't really the point of the thread.

 

[LiquidSolstice]

First-hand experience. I have yet to meet a DRM scheme that doesn't in some manner interfere with my basic rights as a customer to do as I please with stuff I bought. Even Steam, which I genuinely like, won't let me sell my games whenever I damn well please.

It's not DRM, that's online distribution. You made the choice to buy a game from Steam, ergo, you agreed to their terms of business. Get over it. Want to do whatever with stuff you bought? Buy it physically, and don't buy it unless you're sure it's truly "yours". Not reading and understanding the terms and conditions of a product before buying it is YOUR failing, not anyone else's. You don't buy it and ***** about it after.

Shit like SecuROM tries to tell me what software I can and can't have installed, and Ubi's DRM labels the legit purchaser as a damn dirty pirate every time they start the game until you can phone home so to speak(This being why I never bought any of the Assassin's Creed games despite them being universally called good).

I've never heard of SecuROM limiting you from having other software installed. If you can give me an example, that'd be good. I'm actually curious about this.

As far as phoning home goes, yes, because it's not like there's dozens of other services on your Windows PC that are phoning home every second or so. Have you ever taken a look at the logs of advanced firewalls? And honestly, when are you not connected to the internet these days? Seriously, get off your high horse, you know your online activities are not all innocent anyway. Pretending that every consumer is squeaky clean and honest and Ubisoft is totally evil for wanting to make sure there's no foul play is just plain naive.

You PC gamers keep saying that DRM is preventing you from buying a game, but you know that if DRM stopped altogether piracy would not decrease or stay where it is. You'd like to think so, but you have absolutely zero proof, and since you know DRM will never be gone, it's just easier to keep blaming DRM for your dislike for a game.

And then there's GFWL, which has caused me more headaches than I care to count

Yeah, it seems that not only do you not care to count, you don't even care to list these "headaches". Great show of examples there.

and Origin, which kept me from buying BF3 because I value my privacy and my right to play my(I sure as shit didn't rent it) game whenever the fuck I damn well please regardless of what I might or might not say on a forum.

Here's a novel idea; stop and look at how many apps are installed on your desktop already. Then, stop and think about how many online accounts you already have. Is it really SUCH a demonic and evil stretch for you to add one more of each to your life? Is it really going to annihilate your ability to have children and sign your soul over to the devil? No, it won't.

And you just did PRECISELY what I knew you'd do. Based on one story you heard about a guy who was mistreated on the Origin forums in the news, you've decided that it's actually a rule that anyone who gets misquoted on a forum can lose their gaming privileges altogether.

That's the modern-day PC-gamer stance on DRM: whine about the slightest of inconveniences, allow the news to dictate what you think you know about a company, and then, mix it all together in a mixing bowl and blow it out of proportion.

Don't even try to defend DRM. It is a battle you can not win.

I'm not defending DRM. To be honest, I don't care about it at all, I just think it's absolutely hilarious what a big deal people make out of it when there really isn't all that much to be worried about. It's a regular case of "play by the easy-enough to follow rules, and you'll be just fine."

Maybe it's just because I'm mainly a console gamer and I don't have to really worry about this sort of thing, I don't know. But I stopped playing PC games a while ago, and it wasn't because of DRM, it was because I couldn't stand the inconsistency of PC gaming and PC gamers.

 

[Brown Cap]

I didn't like Team Fortress 2 because it was to cartoony

I didn't care for Halo because it seemed generic and bland

I never bought MW3 because the only people I meet online are obnoxious and disrespectful

 

[Girl With One Eye]

Terrible voice acting or retarded characters. Terrible voice-acting almost made me not get Star Ocean: The last Hope (Seriously, one of the characters expresses ZERO emotion the entire time... it's in her character, but it's still dreadful to listen too) and retarded characters has stopped me getting games like Gears of War 3 and Call of Duty: Black Ops.
Also, a focus on Cover-based combat or regenerative HP - They irritate the hell out of me.

'Kay?

Yeah voice acting is a pretty big one for me too. Also I hate games that have QTE's just for the sake of it.

 

[Mittenz]

Any sort of always online DRM. And to think, I was actually going to give diablo a shot. I just like the ability to pause a single player game I guess :/

 

[PilgrimScott_III]

I'm probably going to get lynched for this, but I don't care, I've got to get it out there.

I couldn't get into Golden Sun because the character you play as doesn't talk, except when there are yes/no questions leveled specifically at him. And the responses to said questions don't even make a difference to how the story pans out (though keep in mind I never got past the first hour or two since I gave up on it by that point). I'm not saying it's a bad game, just that having a mute main character in an RPG fails to engage me in the storyline.

I'm not against silent protagonists in games; hell, I love the Zelda series, Metroid series, Portal series, etc., but those are action games; for an RPG with a supposedly epic storyline, it just doesn't work for me. It just makes me, the player, feel like I'm being dragged around everywhere by the other characters. It's one of the very rare games I ever stopped playing before the end, let alone so early in.

(flame shields up)

 

[LiquidSolstice]

1: Steam is DRM. Go read up on Steamworks and then come back and tell me it isn't.

2: Just because I use Steam doesn't mean I can't criticize it. Don't be fucking stupid. Steam has flaws, chief among which is it doesn't let you sell the games you own. That needs to be resolved.

http://www.steamgames.com/steamworks/publishingservices.php tells me nothing more than what I said before. It's their distribution method. If you want to sell the game, buy a physical copy. Why is that difficult to understand?

Try to run a SecuROM 'protected' game while Daemon Tools is installed.
Go on. Grab a copy of GTA IV, install Daemon, and try it. I'm waiting. They're cheap, GTA IV is under 20 bucks and DT is free, wont' cost much.
That done?
Good. See that pretty little error message GTA IV just threw up because you had the audacity to run perfectly legal software some nameless, faceless investor in Take Two's corporate office doesn't like? That's Take Two trying to tell YOU what YOU can't run on YOUR computer. And that's bullshit. Daemon Tools is a perfectly legal program, there is no valid reason for any DRM to refuse access to a program because it's running. GTA IV will shut up if you merely close it, but there's games protected by stronger forms of SecuROM that refuse to launch if it's merely in the registry. Doesn't even have to be any files for it on your hard drive. I uhh...I obviously don't have those games, mainly because I have the balls to stand up for my rights to run whatever legal fucking software I damn well please.

So angry....all I asked was for an example. I pity you. As far as image mounting tools go, maybe it's good reasoning, maybe it's bad, but saying that DT is a purely legitimate tool is the same thing as saying Bittorrent is a purely legitimate transfer protocol. While yes, it's technically true, no one is really naive enough to think that their use is mainly or even somewhat only legitimate. Unless it's just you, in which case, please do keep "making backup copies of your games and movies for private use" and "downloading your linux ISOs".

There aren't. I've disabled them. The only things that phone home on my machine are things I want to phone home to do something, like Firefox or Steam, and the things required for those things to function.

I highly doubt you've prevented all the things you think are phoning home from doing so.

I'm not some naive noobie that installs Bonzai Buddy and wonders how the nigerians got their credit card info. I know what my machine's doing, and it's doing only what I allow it to do.

We Windows users actually don't know exactly what our machines are doing. Perhaps you have the illusion of thinking so based on what you see on screen or in the task manager process list, but we really don't. That's not to say I'm disregarding your policy on computer security, I'm just saying you can't actually be that sure.

Because everyone has perfectly flawless internet that never fucks up and an ISP that doesn't try to screw them over every second of every day. Right. You must live in a wonderful alternate dimension from the real world.

Truth be told, California is definately sometimes an alternate dimension, yes, but I'm not really buying the idea that your ISP is such a problem that such a DRM protection is problematic for you.

I'm not on a high horse. I'm standing up for my rights to do as I please with what I own. You wouldn't be sitting there telling me all is cool and to just go with it if Ford was locking overdrive and three cylinders out of my pickup truck because I didn't buy it brand new, or if I opted to haul a cargo Ford didn't approve of, or if I drove it down a road that isn't supported.

Yes, I would, because it was you that made the decision to purchase the Ford at all, regardless of whether or not it was used. Take responsibility for your purchases, stop blaming the seller after the fact.

You wouldn't be singing that song if my microwave only operated at 500w when I microwaved something from a brand it's manufacturer didn't approve of or if I didn't have it plugged in at the proper outlet. So why the hell should I just bend over and let Take Two tell me what software I can run on my machine when I run GTA IV?

Again, yes I would. The funny thing about the internet is that it tells you these things beforehand, so you know before buying. You almost sound like you're trying to explain to me why it'd be better to pirate it (although I realize you're not). The answer I have for you remains the same; it's you who wants to play GTAIV, so it's you that has to accept the terms that come with it. How much money you paid for it or what you think you are entitled to means nothing. You don't lease a car and then complain about the lease payments 6 months in, do you? It was you who chose to lease the car, if you were not happy with it you shouldn't have signed the contract.

It's no different than any of the other examples in that paragraph. Take Two got an agreed upon sum of money in exchange for my ownership of one copy, just as the used car dealer and Walmart did with my pickup and my microwave respectively. The company that made it, therefore, has no business telling me what I can and can't do with it.

And yet somehow, like most PC gamers, you somehow think that any sum of money entitles you to full ownership of whatever you're paying. Although that might seem logical, that's not the case, as much as you want it to be. As long as there is a EULA or a ToS attached to anything you purchase, it's not truly yours. Comparing it to other things that are closer to being truly yours is not valid, it's just mindless rage.

And don't give me any of that "license agreement" bullshit, I didn't pay sixty bucks for a fucking rental. I bought it, I own it, fuck the EULA, fuck the DRM, and fuck anyone who supports either.

And the seller's response would be "!@#$ you too" (bleeped so it's clear I'm not saying that directly to you). You bought it, you agreed to the EULA and DRM.

Deal.
With.
It.

And with this baseless accusation you've lost what last sliver of credibility you had. Tell me, which DRM company do you work for again? Maybe you're with the RIAA/MPAA? EA perhaps? Ubisoft? You seem to share the same views as those companies do, that is, PC gamers are all damned dirty pirates until they jump through 9001 hoops to prove otherwise every time they start the game, as if spending sixty bucks on it wasn't enough proof.

And with that, you've lost any credibility whatsoever. I made the very simple statement that your online activities are most likely not honest anyway. That doesn't mean I work for any company what so ever. Your reaction just means that I am either right, or you are unwilling to accept that some of your online habits are not entirely legal. It's not a personal attack.

And yet again, spending sixty bucks means jack-fucking-shit. You could have spent a million, but if you agreed to an EULA and/or ToS that involves DRM, it's your own goddamn fault. What you think the publishers are doing is completely irrelevant. I hope to god you never have to sign any sort of contract in the future because I now have no doubt that you'd not bother to read the fine print before deciding to do so.

No, it isn't. It's not naive at all. I know there's plenty of piracy, and I know what the proper solution is. Companies need to ignore it entirely.

Yes, let it run rampant. Let it be so that any person could say "Hmm, I could either pay for it, or I could just click a couple times and get the entire thing for free and never get caught whatsoever". You don't think that's naive?

I love how PC gamers fall back on "ignore pirates", knowing full well it will never happen thus never proving them wrong.

Yeah. I know. Shocking. But look at Valve. They make good games, they price them well, they use as unobtrusive a DRM as possible, and they make more money than God every month. They're also well loved by their customers, respected even, mainly because they don't fuck us over with obtrusive fucking DRM.

Yes, Valve. Take the HL1 or 2 engine. Give it new skins, give it a slight bit of a story, add witty dialogue, call it a new game, sell it for $15 so that no one notices. Repeat until people get bored. To make sure people don't realize what is happening, offer mod tools and free DLC every so often.

That's Valve for you.

So? Doesn't change the fact that I care more about my rights than I do some shitty war shooter with obtrusive DRM.

So here's a beautifully novel idea; don't buy said shitty war game, that way you don't have to complain about it. Shocking!

I know piracy won't go away, the people who attach DRM to games are the ones with their heads in the clouds. They think making their honest customers jump through hoops every time they start the game while the pirates they're trying to chase away are enjoying a hoop-free copy a week before release that's easier to install, easier to run, and was free.

And yet again, you keep bringing up this idea of punishing "honest customers" as though it holds any water. I have zero doubt in my mind that the number of honest customers that are running these games with DRM just fine outweigh the far more vocal minority of people who ***** about them to media outlets which do the only thing they know how to do: blow out of proportion for page views.

You honestly can't see the problem with that scenario? You're either naive as fuck or you work for a DRM company, only two options.

And you honestly don't understand what ad hominem is? Learn to debate, or honestly, let it go. I don't work for a DRM company, so you can seriously let go of that assumption. I udnerstand that you're feeling cornered and the only way you can protect yourself from anyone who rejects the idea that all DRM is bad is to assert that they must work for a DRM company.

Yes, I'm an atheist, but any time I debate with a Christian, I don't just jump up and go "YEAH WELL FUCK YOU, YOU JUST THINK THAT BECAUSE YOUR BIBLE TOLD YOU TO".

I don't blame DRM for disliking a game. Hell, I like Assassin's Creed, everything I've read and every Let's Play tells me I'd play the hell out of it and love every second.

Then get it, or don't. Sitting at the middle ground and throwing a temper tantrum about why you won't buy it is just ridiculous.

But I have the balls to stand up for my rights as a customer and not get fucked over by absurd DRM.

See, the thing that you call "your rights" is nothing more than a weak assumption that money = ownership. When you disregard an EULA and a ToS, you have no excuse.

I'm not going to feed Ubi any money, and if that means I don't get to play a good game or three then so be it. Their loss, not mine.

Then don't, they're doing just fine without you. Why? Because there's plenty of other people out there that play by the rules and don't run into issues.

Even though I have fuck all to prove to you, lemme list just a few.

You make the claim, yes, you do have "fuck all" to prove.

GFWL hides my Fallout 3 savegames and DLCs 15 protected folders deep within my windows directory.

Oh no, your save files and DLC are hidden. So? You know where they are, back them up.

GFWL kicks me out of Dead Rising 2: OTR multiplayer several times in a row because it can't maintain connection with the login server.

Legitimate concern.

GFWL sometimes refuses to sign in at all, rendering DR2: OTR unplayable for me as I bought it solely to co-op with someone else.

GFWL doesn't know why you bought the game, ergo this logic is not valid.

GFWL's interface is fucking awful. Just finding Fallout 3 DLC to buy is a problem in and of itself.

And this has what to do with anything?

GFWL causes issues with modding Fallout 3, as from my own first-hand experience any mods which reference DLC that GFWL has tucked away in the afore-mentioned folder-in-Bumfuck-Egypt crash the game. You have to track that DLC down and manually move it into the Fallout 3/Data folder, then check it in FOMM as you would any other mod, to resolve this. Not only this, but I've been known to tinker with the GECK myself, and the GECK can not modify assets that aren't in Fallout 3/Data, which includes the DLC.

A login system is having issues with a modified game? Say it isn't so!

GFWL causes similar issues with GTA IV as it does with both DR2: OTR and Fallout 3. It gets in the way of running scripts that let me use seatbelts and speedometers in single player, on top of that it likes to fail to find servers more often than it finds one.

Oh no, it's having issues letting you play a game with third-party modifications. How unusual.

GFWL is also a bit of a memory hog, using more ram than Steam while giving me absolutely bupkiss to show for it. Steam, at least, gives me an IM/VOIP service both in game and out, as well as an in-game web browser and an interface that's a dream to use.

And this has what, exactly, to do with DRM?

When it gives EA the power to screw me out of sixty fucking dollars because I post "lol" in a forum or get quoted by someone who swears in the same post, yes, it fucking well is.

You paid the $60, ergo, you screwed yourself. And yet again, like a media-sheep, you're allowing one media story to dictate what you think of an entire company's process of rules.

Right, because it's impossible that some of us aren't genuinely incensed because of first hand annoyances time and time again.

Oh no, I'm sure you're genuinely incensed. I just happen to think your "incense" is almost entirely unfounded.

Again, you must live in a wonderful dimension where DRM actually does what the publishers hope and isn't a pain in everyone's ass.

No, I live in a dimension where I happen to know for a fact that incidents where DRM does exactly what it's supposed to are never reported because no one wants to read them.

Yes, you are. Don't kid yourself. If you weren't defending DRM you wouldn't have quoted a single post I made.

For the sake of argument and there being an offense and defense, sure, I'm "defending" DRM. Not supporting it, not promoting it, not selling it. I'm simply taking apart all these completely trumped up and hilarious ideas that you seem to have about it.

That's your problem. You don't care if publishers fuck you over. You don't care if EA holds your rights to play what you BOUGHT. You don't care if your sixty dollars is wasted because someone hits the relay box down the street and knocks your internet out. You don't care if you're being bent over a table and fucked over for having the audacity, the nerve, to legally buy your games.

Wonderful, I'm sure that would have caused me to go breathless if that was a presidential speech. But do you know why I don't care about "rights"? Because I'm busy playing the game. Do you know why I'm not worried about losing my progress because someone hits the relay box down by my street? Because it doesn't happen that often.

I genuinely pity you...

And I, you.

Try it. Go install a PC game 'protected' by absurd DRM, then tell me how long it is before that DRM screws up and leaves you with six to ten gigabytes of bullshit data you can't do anything with cluttering your harddrive up, all because some nameless, faceless investors thousands of miles away assume that, despite you spending sixty dollars on the game, you're still a damned dirty pirate until you hand over your first born every game launch and do the rain dance when you save your game.

I actually *have* owned and played GTAIV a few times via Steam/GFWL. I had no issues. And yet still, I don't understand why you're so infernally convinced that you think purely giving someone money for something means it's 100% yours.

If I'm perfectly honest I'm somewhat jealous you don't have to put up with this shit. Be thankful you don't get treated with contempt by idiot publishers who will overlook console piracy while whinging until the world ends about PC piracy

Yes, because there are cold hard facts to back up the statement that console piracy is worse than PC piracy.

Often the console versions get leaked earlier, and console piracy is just as rampant if not moreso since circumventing it is easier. Cracking PC games is on a per-game basis, cracking console games is a one-off deal with the console itself, once chipped to play burnt games all you have to do is download, burn, play.

I don't doubt that it exists, I just simply don't believe it is worse on consoles. I hope you realize we console gamers do end up paying more per-game than you do, right?

Oh, and stop looking down on PC gamers that are voicing their annoyance at being treated like criminals because they had the audacity to do the right thing when acquiring their games. Pirates don't care about DRM because they don't have to deal with it.

No, that's not why I look down on PC gamers (although I'm pretty sure I said "it wasn't because of DRM, it was because I couldn't stand the inconsistency of PC gaming and PC gamers.") It seems that just as you love to use the phrase "treated like criminals" you're also so blinded by rage that you can't read what I write.

My irritation with PC gaming has absolutely zero to do with DRM or PC gamers' opinions on DRM.

This was interesting, but is frankly getting boring. Let me know if you want to stop, that's not what this thread was supposed to be about (although I certainly didn't help things)

 

[LiquidSolstice]

I guess you don't care if you get ripped off. I do, and I'm going to voice my opinion about it until it stops.

This was interesting, but is frankly getting boring.

Then fuck off. I have better things to do than argue hopelessly with a corporate suckup who thinks PC gamers should bend over the nearest chest-high wall and get fucked by nameless, faceless investors who don't give two shits. Good god it's people like you that make me want to leave gaming entirely. People like you are, somehow, worse than the DRM they so vehemently defend.

God damn, sorry if standing up for my rights as a paying customer offends you. You want to get fucked over by game companies? You go right on ahead.

Edit: I'll even help you out a bit.

My god people like you are annoying.

That's just pathetic . If you were too lazy or otherwise too cowardly to respond to me, all you had to do was just say so. Ignoring everything I said and then sticking to your original stance is the intellectual equivalent of a five-year old sticking his fingers into his ears and yelling "lalalala" very loudly.

I hope you're proud of yourself, I really do. Thanks for the laugh, and the confirmation that your rage is just baseless, and when confronted with the idea that someone genuinely opposes what you think, you not only have the audacity to ignore their post completely, you also have the immaturity to show them they are on your ignore list.

To be honest? I do not give a fuck. If I've made it on to your ignore list by using intellect and logic, I think I've both proved a point and come out better here.

EDIT: Please do leave gaming entirely. We would all be better off without you if this is how you behave in the face of the slightest disagreement with your point of view.

 

[traineesword]

if you wanted, you can roleplay as a human-elitist, or a moogle-rights activist, or what ever.

could you really though? weren't you actually a human dude with such races working for you? So even with all the races, you were just a human whose story was that he wanted to return home.

Or well, that's the GBA tactics. As far as I know about Grimoire of the rift, you play pretty much the exact same character, just his name is Luso and his character design looks stupid. (Luso is also a playable character in war of the lions). Not to knock your entire point of course, races were definitely a cool idea. I just never saw the potential for roleplaying in Final Fantasy tactics i suppose.

anyway, onto the actual topic. Dragon age or Mass Effect series: because i really cannot stand the little conversation wheel. The options are never what your character says. Half the time never even along the same lines of what your character says. I also hate the "Good and Bad" choices and how the game defines them. Someone bought Dragon age 2 for me as a gift, so i felt obliged to play it but got kinda frustrated when a supposedly "good dialogue choice" came up. So this templar has been injured (his girlfriend kicked more ass than him), I was a mage but because we were being pursued by baddies, we decided to get along regardless. Okay, thats fine. The dialogue choice then comes up. The good choice reads "Can he keep up? we have to go!"

How, in any conceivable way, could those exact words be said in a saintly way? I'm basically spitting on him for getting slashed across the back and potentially threatening to leave him behind. This is the good option? of course not though, because when I chose that, my mage insists that we give him as much support as possible because his wounds are so terrible. The roundabout way in which it deals with character choices is completely unnecessary, seeing as it's all labelled for you anyway. want to role play a good character? pick the blue options. Bad, pick the red! In the middle, let every party member be contrary to every single thing that you say!

Another example from mass effect. It was supposedly a "bad option" to snipe an enemy soldier. An enemy soldier that he'd have only shot seconds later out of the cut scene anyway. was it a bad option because he was using Garrus' rifle and Garrus didn't like that?

ouch, this post went on longer than expected. To end on a thumbs up, i did like how Dragon Age 2 had a magic class labelled "entropy"... very clever

 

[Roxor]

The price is a huge killer for me. Basically, if it's priced over $30, I'm waiting for a sale before buying it, if I get it at all.

Another thing which will stop me from buying a game is it not being available on Steam. If it's not for sale on Steam, then it's probably not worth buying. I have made exactly one game purchase in the last five years which was not on Steam. That game was Minecraft.

Also, I swear the most expensive games also seem to have the lest-interesting promotional artwork. The in-game screenshots might show it to potentially be interesting, but the art used to promote it tends to be really boring. What's with that?

 

[Baralak]

The price is a huge killer for me. Basically, if it's priced over $30, I'm waiting for a sale before buying it, if I get it at all.

Another thing which will stop me from buying a game is it not being available on Steam. If it's not for sale on Steam, then it's probably not worth buying. I have made exactly one game purchase in the last five years which was not on Steam. That game was Minecraft.

Also, I swear the most expensive games also seem to have the lest-interesting promotional artwork. The in-game screenshots might show it to potentially be interesting, but the art used to promote it tends to be really boring. What's with that?

Honestly, I'd really recommend you try GOG.com. They have TONS of PC games Steam doesn't have, and all of them classics. From Planescape: Torment (widely considered one of, if not THE best RPG of all time) to Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, Neverwinter Nights, Ultima 1-7, and just a ton of other games. All 100% DRM free, and EVERY game comes with extras like manuals, HD wallpapers, soundtracks, avatars, and all sorts of neat stuff. Planescape: Torment came with a novelization of the game. Also, aside from The Witcher 2, every game is $10 or less, and to top it off, almost their entire catalog is half off with their holiday sale.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

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I'm a PC gamer and I agree with you on DRM. I don't give a shit about DRM and I don't think its a big deal at all, a lot of PC gamers need to stop bitching about insignificant shit surrounding the game and focus on the actual game part of the game.

Then again, I've never had any technical problems related to DRM. Ever.

Then again again, I don't think most people complaining about it have either.

Besides, any problems people have with DRM? Download a crack. Problem solved. "Oh but its the principle!!" Fuck your principles and get off your high horse, gamers. We should be paying to support the actual game designers who worked hard to make an excellent game, not boycotting the entire thing over some silly fluff they added on the end of it.

Don't know why I felt the need to make this post/mini-rant; was just nice to find someone who feels the same as I do. Hope you enjoyed it.