The morality of the Prime Directive

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Coffinshaker

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screw the prime directive! those civilizations are ripe for the plundering! oh wait... it means not giving them tech? not over taking them and stripping them of resources? huh...
 

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thaluikhain said:
Only ones that are at different levels of development (note there's nothing to stop the Federation from gaining new technologies). Though, I didn't know he got a new ship...he kept coming back for the movies.
He was still apart of the Enterprise for all the movies. But way into the future, when Picard was really old and everyone thought he was crazy, Riker was promoted a bunch, given his own ship and became something of a military go-to-man.

thaluikhain said:
Yeah, I wanted a game related avatar that'd stand out and figured few other people would be fans of Blade Kitten, for various reasons.
It's cute ^^
 

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Coffinshaker said:
screw the prime directive! those civilizations are ripe for the plundering! oh wait... it means not giving them tech? not over taking them and stripping them of resources? huh...
You're doing it wrong :p
 

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Snowy Rainbow said:
thaluikhain said:
Only ones that are at different levels of development (note there's nothing to stop the Federation from gaining new technologies). Though, I didn't know he got a new ship...he kept coming back for the movies.
He was still apart of the Enterprise for all the movies. But way into the future, when Picard was really old and everyone thought he was crazy, Riker was promoted a bunch, given his own ship and became something of a military go-to-man.
Oh, right, the final episode/s of the TNG series. Though, all the mucking about in time might have changed that, I guess.
 

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an allegorical way of looking at it (a rather insulting one for the "less advanced species", granted) is the whole situation with safari's in africa (from what I remember)

camera crews/safari groups aren't allowed to interfere with the local wildlife... if a lion is trying to kill a baby elephant (as unlikely as that seems) they're not allowed to interfere because it would upset the ecosystem and the balance of nature and the natural processes and whatnot... various conservationalist perspectives that can be applied to general populations

sort of like why we're not fucking with the various "untouched" peoples around the world... like those on north sentinal island... (hoorah for cracked)
 

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canadamus_prime said:
I personally think "developed" *sarcastic air quotes* nations today should have a similar policy in regards to developing or 3rd world nations.
Even if the "Developed nations" governments did that, there's still just too potential for profit in some of those third world nations for private organizations from said "developed nations" to ignore.
There's going to be meddling as long as there exists the potential for business in a world market. Either openly or under the table.
 

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Atmos Duality said:
canadamus_prime said:
I personally think "developed" *sarcastic air quotes* nations today should have a similar policy in regards to developing or 3rd world nations.
Even if the "Developed nations" governments did that, there's still just too potential for profit in some of those third world nations for private organizations from said "developed nations" to ignore.
There's going to be meddling as long as there exists the potential for business in a world market. Either openly or under the table.
Well in that's why you'd just make the penalty to private organizations for violation so high that it would make such ventures unprofitable through repeat violations.
 

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canadamus_prime said:
Well in that's why you'd just make the penalty to private organizations for violation so high that it would make such ventures unprofitable through repeat violations.
Technically, we do that for certain markets already here in the US. The problem lies with enforcement, and there are legal loopholes one can jump through (through investment connections, shell companies, lobbying, and even dual-citizenship schemes).
 

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Atmos Duality said:
canadamus_prime said:
Well in that's why you'd just make the penalty to private organizations for violation so high that it would make such ventures unprofitable through repeat violations.
Technically, we do that for certain markets already here in the US. The problem lies with enforcement, and there are legal loopholes one can jump through (through investment connections, shell companies, lobbying, and even dual-citizenship schemes).
Now it would seem to me that those are flaws of the system that's already in place, not of the intended plan.
 

Tiger Sora

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No going against the prime directive. I'm willing to throw afew red shirts at their planet though if you'd like.
 

Ca3zar416

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While I can say that I can understand the Prime Directive I have one way to get around that one sort of. Beam in while the Dictator is relatively alone kill him and beam out. Who are the witnesses going to tell? If someone told me that the leader of the nation was killed by people who materialized out of thin air vaporized him and de-materialized I wouldn't believe a word of it.
 

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The thing is if they didn't have it then pretty much every Star Trek episode would just be a weak version of Childhood's End.
 

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OrenjiJusu said:
Nope, Every civilisation must run it's course and reach their advancements on their own. Think about it, If you are given a really complex mathematical equation and then given then answer by someone, you have not learned anything. If you work it out you have figured out how to solve it.
yes, but if you dont know how to solve the problem and nobody is allowed to help you, you can try but fuck it up and leave it, thinking its ok. if nobody tells you the answer when you cant work it out how do you learn?
OT: you should in certain circumstances. people say 'if i could go back in time, id kill hitler (even though you should go sightseeing in 1914 sarajevo and then happen upon gavrilo princip and then, just because youre there not because you were trying to, kill him). if you were, say, spock (pre-enterprise) and you travelled back through time and picked up nazi broadcasts and observed the holocaust, what would you do? stop the prick. if you see someone getting mugged, do you help (calling the police counts as helping)?