where are you from? goverment needs a role i agree with you in this circumstance but im curious to where the extreme conservative sentiment comes from
The morning after pill dilemma
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She was clearly mature enough to take precautions - even while drunk - and also to act when those precautions failed.
It sounds to me that all around good choices were made here. Though I hope you advised her that it would be the right thing to talk to her parents if she feels that she can do so.
It sounds to me that all around good choices were made here. Though I hope you advised her that it would be the right thing to talk to her parents if she feels that she can do so.
I believe it was the right decision; it was "accessory" to protecting the girl, not to the boyfriend having sex with her, which had already occurred.
Of course teens who find themselves in unfortunate situations should have access to get out of them without involving the parents. It may not be ideal, but given that these situations aren't really planned, and would occur regardless of whether this help is available or not, the alternative would be far worse.
Few teens would be willing to seek out this help if it meant involving the parents, and some of them would thus become pregnant, leading to far greater trouble for themselves and for/with their parents.
The world isn't ideal; adapt accordingly to minimize harm.
Of course teens who find themselves in unfortunate situations should have access to get out of them without involving the parents. It may not be ideal, but given that these situations aren't really planned, and would occur regardless of whether this help is available or not, the alternative would be far worse.
Few teens would be willing to seek out this help if it meant involving the parents, and some of them would thus become pregnant, leading to far greater trouble for themselves and for/with their parents.
The world isn't ideal; adapt accordingly to minimize harm.
Well for starters they did use a condom, wich is worth a pat on the back, since I don't know many people who have one on hand (no matter the age.). It broke, and it wasn't their fault it broke.
I think it was the right desicion, as they did use preservativse (wich failed) and in order to prevent pregnancy she did go to the pharmacy and explained what happened without lynig (I assume). So that's a good choice if you ask me. (better to have this morning after pill then to have a screaming baby at age 14 / 15 wich you cannot support and probably won't give the best future it can have at that time.)
About the government. Kids will do the humpingdance, wether it's illegal or not. You can't prevent that in any way. The best the government can do is give sexual education and have free preservatives. That way it'll be easier to get them, and they won't have to spend money on them (Over here it's 2euro's for 1 so if you're sexually active that can get quite in the costs sometimes, making it less attractive to use them.)
Or that is my thought about it.
I think it was the right desicion, as they did use preservativse (wich failed) and in order to prevent pregnancy she did go to the pharmacy and explained what happened without lynig (I assume). So that's a good choice if you ask me. (better to have this morning after pill then to have a screaming baby at age 14 / 15 wich you cannot support and probably won't give the best future it can have at that time.)
About the government. Kids will do the humpingdance, wether it's illegal or not. You can't prevent that in any way. The best the government can do is give sexual education and have free preservatives. That way it'll be easier to get them, and they won't have to spend money on them (Over here it's 2euro's for 1 so if you're sexually active that can get quite in the costs sometimes, making it less attractive to use them.)
Or that is my thought about it.
That is quite the conumdrum, but I think you did the right thing, although telling her parents might have been a good idea so that they could have a sit-down and discuss it.
Best case scenario: the near-miss scared her shitless, and she'll think next time the idea of sex crosses her mind.ajofflight said:
The key point implicit in the rules here seems to be that avoiding under age pregnancy is MUCH more important than dolling out punishments for being foolish. Any sort of penalty arising from looking for help in this situation just dissuades others in the same situation from coming forward, which could lead to much bigger problems for them later.scorrishbeef said:
It's up to the girl if she tells her parents, though she probably won't. Hopefully she'll feel guilty enough not to make the same mistake twice, though. Your assessment of her story - deciding if she was being abused or whatever - is the balance.
The government's decided to help these people rather than punish them. That's fine by me, and seems the better than the alternative options.
Bah, I say you did the right thing but I would've told her parents. As her guardians and the people with the responsibility of raising the kid, they should probably have been informed of what was happening.
Prepubescents have been knobbing each other since time immemorial and nothing you can do will change that. The best thing you can do is help a girl who doesn't want to carry a child to term in any way you can, and if she doesn't want her parents to know then that's her decision and not yours.
The entire situation is unfortunate, so finding a solution that makes everyone happy just isn't realistic. I think you did the right thing in giving her the pill.
However, I will say the this girl most likely needs more sex education. Fooling around while drunk isn't exactly the most responsible behavior, especially if you're as young as she is. I understand that regardless of what we do, teenagers are still gonna have sex and drink. I would just hope that she is shown the gravity of her situation. You mentioned it was a free one time pill. I would be sure to let her know that if she comes in again, you will be obligated to inform her parents. I think that threat alone would be enough.
Either way, it would be cruel to force her to carry to term, if she doesn't want a child. Being pregnant at 14 is a huge social change, and would have been something that changed her for the rest of her life. I don't think her entire life should revolve around one drunken moment.
However, I will say the this girl most likely needs more sex education. Fooling around while drunk isn't exactly the most responsible behavior, especially if you're as young as she is. I understand that regardless of what we do, teenagers are still gonna have sex and drink. I would just hope that she is shown the gravity of her situation. You mentioned it was a free one time pill. I would be sure to let her know that if she comes in again, you will be obligated to inform her parents. I think that threat alone would be enough.
Either way, it would be cruel to force her to carry to term, if she doesn't want a child. Being pregnant at 14 is a huge social change, and would have been something that changed her for the rest of her life. I don't think her entire life should revolve around one drunken moment.
Well, it depends by state, but if you said the national average, it would be close enough to 17/18 most liekly.scorrishbeef said:
OT:
1) well... To me at least, it depends. The Morning after bill is a good pill for when you really dont mean to do it. Or if its accidental. It always comes to your definition of what life is or more so when it starts. If the girl doesnt see it as a convenient quick fix so she can continue to do it and not worry, I dont see anything wrong. She'd be in a lot of trouble, both would. Its statuatory rape if the legal age is 16 (which begs the question of why its statuatory rape at under 16, but you can sell morning after pills to 13 year olds at the pharmacist's discression. Also, who would be charged, since both are under aged and appearantly where willing), not to mention under age drinking and the child has to tell her parents she's pregnant, which depending ont he parent's beliefs may cause them to have her terminate it anyway. This way, everyone is in the dark except for you, the doctor, her, the boy, and everyone and anyone that sees this here or anywhere (patient confidentiality doesnt exist over thre I suppose) and only she and the boy are for the wiser, telling htem they either need to keep in their pants or not be drunk next time.
2) Well... You cnat say no, cause then kids will want to do it. If you introduce them too it, they'll want to do it. So its hard to run an add campaign for it. BUt the government should punish it at least a little bit. Like I said, if this was a one time mistake from which will come a learning experience, let the kids go. They go over eager at the thought, who among us havent? Sure, maybe not all of us have had sex, but we've thought about it on some level. And they were druink, so that alone tells you they're not int he right state of mind. maybe informing her parents would be best, and if she gets what she did wrong she'll know not to do it again. But hte cops shouldnt be informed, especially since you'd pretty much destroy both their lives at such a young age.
Now I could berate you for being cruel, or I could say how silly it is to say "tough luck" when she can go the next nearest pharmacy, but instead... Why are you walking away when you're behind a counter in store??Judgement101 said:
Stupidity and hormones go hand in hand, and when booze is involved it's bound to lead to a problem, just give the girl her pill and send her on her way, if she becomes a repeated offender you might want to give her a pack of condoms that aren't as flimsy as wet tissue paper.
Huh, and I thought getting yelled at by parents would have been bad...ewhac said:
OT: As many people have already said, it's worth it just to stop another teenager getting pregnant. Sure, you can go on about how they need to learn from their mistakes, but this is a human life coming into existence from a mistake. That would be more of a damaging experience then a learning one.
First of all, I think it was the right thing to do to give the pill, but I do think the authorities should have been contacted.
Second of all, noone seems to notice that not only was she having sex, she was doing it WHILST DRUNK.
Second of all, noone seems to notice that not only was she having sex, she was doing it WHILST DRUNK.
I think it was definitely the right decision - I think it does great credit to the girl, that even at such a young age, she took responsibility for what happened and went to seek the appropriate help.
No, she shouldn't have been doing what she was doing (in legal terms, anyway), but I think it's encouraging that, even though they were drunk and underage, they tried to use a condom and be safe =)
No, she shouldn't have been doing what she was doing (in legal terms, anyway), but I think it's encouraging that, even though they were drunk and underage, they tried to use a condom and be safe =)
You made the right descision. I mean, both same age, both concentual, and they tried to use a condom? The situation won't get much more just than that I am afraid