The Most Dangerous Woman in Videogames - Anita Sarkeesian

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Sansha

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I couldn't make sense of what MovieBob wrote here. I have no idea what his opinion of her is.

As for the woman herself... I dunno. Her heart is in the right place, but what she says is grossly misinformed a lot of the time, which is going to damage her reputation and her message.
 

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Maiev Shadowsong said:
Sansha said:
I couldn't make sense of what MovieBob wrote here. I have no idea what his opinion of her is.

As for the woman herself... I dunno. Her heart is in the right place, but what she says is grossly misinformed a lot of the time, which is going to damage her reputation and her message.
I keep seeing this. "Anita is grossly misinformed." However, I've yet to see someone follow that up with a referenced example of how. It's as if it's become the thing to say; it's just assumed to be right because it's repeated. Yet, here we are, another post, another use of it and still no actual demonstration of how she is "grossly misinformed".
I'll reply with a popular argument that you've probably seen a lot from a certain crowd.
"Nuh-uh! It's not my job to educate you! Go and look up examples for yourself, I don't have the spoons to explain it to you, dudebro!"

Captcha: "fifth column". Nooooooo! I'm a loyal patriotic citizen, I swear!
 

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Maiev Shadowsong said:
VanQ said:
I will take Anita seriously when she presents more than her opinion.
I'll take your comment seriously when you present something other than your opinion.
Then you couldn't possibly be offended if I say that I'll start taking your opinion seriously when you stop trying to rely on other people's opinions to substantiate your own opinion?
 

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>the reality is simply one more young woman who loves video-games but simply wants what others have and take for granted and what she concludes that games won't allow most women to do: Love them unconditionally.

I really wish this guy didn't use a voice emulator but,

Reminder that despite the fact that people took it too far, Sarkeesian is simply a feminist who is using a controversy to raise her profile. Until her tropes vs women thing she knew little about video games and the culture surrounding them.


She is the definition of an attention whore. Now if despite this she's doing benefit for the gaming consensus I don't care, but one who has an opinion about something but doesn't really understand the context, rarely does that result in a positive effect.

I also like transparency. Or do I have go all J. D. Salinger up in this *****? I'd rather not, I'd much rather go Lewis Carroll on you all.

"The difference between the Insane and the Sane" the cat started, as he twirled his whiskers in between the pads of his left paw "Comes down to two factors. The first is a perception of reality, the second is the projection of a persona. A mad man tells the truth as they see it, while the sane man lies to fit his persona into the accepted reality."

Alice didn't quite believe the cat's generalisation, there were thousands of things the puss had not taken into account, but as generalisations go it was not the worst she had heard.

"But" Alice asked "What of Women, of little boys and little girls?"

"What made you think that Women would be special in the first place?" asked the Cat with a raised eyebrow and a condescending smirk.

"Women have always been considered different from men, and you didn't say women" Alice protested, not liking the way the Cat had started to talk to her.

"Such are distinctions made by the sane, and as I already told you;"

 

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Tenmar said:
Ragsnstitches said:
1. A professional studio set-up could easily run a cost as high as $10,000 and up, which was one of the things Anita said she wanted to put a part of the funding. $6000 is pretty modest for a professional set-up.

2. Citation needed.


Do note that this was her original setup before any sort of funding from kickstarter. She already had lighting, soundproof padding(which is crazy expensive), an entire room dedicated to recording videos. And she was also producing her content in HD.

Just throwing this out there for your knowledge.
She chromas off of RED???!!! Do her sins know no end?! (joke) That is a pretty sweet set up though and if you know where to look you can get acoustic tiles pretty cheap. She could even be using packing material there for baffling, it's more acoustics than soundproofing by the way. (If it is it was put in very sloppily) . It's a lot more expensive than it looks for that set up.

I am not surprised that this article has reached so many comments. Open a thread on this topic and people all accuse you of baiting for clicks. A pretty lazily written article with very little insight that would sway people one direction or the other. It seems to me, it was written to be passed around on twitter and generate views and press off the coattails of controversy. The most offensive part is the title. Which is INCREDIBLY sexist and needlessly sensational when you think about it. (HOW is she the most dangerous woman in games? why is she dangerous? Why does her being a woman matter so much to her being "dangerous"?) I have to admit, Bob knew what he was doing when he wrote this one and has accomplished it masterfully, I hope he enjoys whatever hollow acclaim this brings. I think it's shameful that the most viewed article on the Escapist in recent times has all the depth of tabloid journalism. Taking a humanist approach to an issue that has been more about a person than the subject is just a waste of bandwidth.
 

CosmicCommander

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If women like Sarkeesian wanted to make games conform to their standards, why don't they learn relevant skills and get into the industry. Don't give me bullshit about a glass wall/ceiling/floor; many fine women are in the industry and have stated they don't feel like there are any impediments to them getting in (at least nowadays).

Even if their criticisms were valid (which they're not), they forget how the majority of people who care about or who are passionate about games to the level of creating them are men. So any criticisms they level are inevitably going to come down to that the devs make the games they want and that they enjoy.
 

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Wow. This escalated quickly. Shows how far we have all come from getting over the war of the sexes. Perhaps there are primal influences that cannot be fully escaped in this so called 'modern society'.
I shall puff on my pipe, swirl this glass of scotch in front my fresh open fire and say 'let it be'.
Those who dont like her, didnt give her any money, so what's there to complain about?
There are more worrying establishments like scientoligy taking ppls money. Which still a voluntary action on their behalf.
Though the term 'voluntary' can be debated in any casr
 

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Maiev Shadowsong said:
Paradoxrifts said:
Maiev Shadowsong said:
VanQ said:
I will take Anita seriously when she presents more than her opinion.
I'll take your comment seriously when you present something other than your opinion.
Then you couldn't possibly be offended if I say that I'll start taking your opinion seriously when you stop trying to rely on other people's opinions to substantiate your own opinion?
It's difficult to be offended when someone says something so inaccurate. I'd ask you to show me where I said I use anyone's opinion in place of my own, but I'd die of old age before you could find an example.
Actions speak louder then words. And here you are again, belligerently defending Miss Sarkeesian's opinion as if it were your own. Or perhaps then you don't agree with her opinions, and you're engaged in the intellectually dishonest practice of offering her your support simply on the basis that she is both a woman and a feminist?
 

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Tenmar said:
Xsjadoblayde said:
Ok, firstly, it wasn't a serious comment. maybe i shouldve put a smiley or something to imply that, but i'm british and my humour is dry at best so smileys are a rarity for me unless im surrounded by the paranoia that everyone is going to take me far too seriously.
Secondly, i certainly don't have that extended back catalogue of gaming knowledge that most on here seem to have. I just grew up a little on mario and other games without devoting all my attention to every detail on every game. It may surprise you that i have other endeavors in life, therefor cannot possibly hope to gain such knowledge until someone decides that what I've said is meticulously and maliciously engineered bullshit so they can educate me on said facts and that i am nothing more than a snide. Not that i'm taking this personally, its just early for me :eek:
Yeah sorry my bad. I noticed that way too late myself. When you responded to the other guy but one can only respond to so many posts and such. Also don't worry man, RL> video games. We all should have that as the main priority when it comes to our real life affairs and our hobbies.
Thats all right, tone can be misinterperated easily through txt alone. Life is serious enough without taking these trivial matters to heart :)
 

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Maiev Shadowsong said:
Paradoxrifts said:
Maiev Shadowsong said:
Paradoxrifts said:
Maiev Shadowsong said:
VanQ said:
I will take Anita seriously when she presents more than her opinion.
I'll take your comment seriously when you present something other than your opinion.
Then you couldn't possibly be offended if I say that I'll start taking your opinion seriously when you stop trying to rely on other people's opinions to substantiate your own opinion?
It's difficult to be offended when someone says something so inaccurate. I'd ask you to show me where I said I use anyone's opinion in place of my own, but I'd die of old age before you could find an example.
Actions speak louder then words. And here you are again, belligerently defending Miss Sarkeesian's opinion as if it were your own. Or perhaps then you don't agree with her opinions, and you're engaged in the intellectually dishonest practice of offering her your support simply on the basis that she is both a woman and a feminist?
More swinging. More missing.

Are you going to be wrong all day? Or would you rather stop attempting whatever it is you're trying?
And like so very much like everything else going on in this thread, just because you claim loudly and repeatedly that I'm wrong doesn't actually prove that I'm in anyway incorrect.