The Myth of the Angry Feminist

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armaina

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stinkychops said:
I provided the link to both the book and the open discussion on youtube of "Why Men Earn More" which, if you'd watched it, covers lifestyle choices.
Yes, and while the discussion is interesting, and I really do like Warren Farrel and his topics regarding sociology, it talks mostly about money making in general and doesn't talk on individual fields for very long.

I wish that I could find charts related to the difference in income in relation to specific fields. For example, office environments vs time worked vs position held vs performance. Because, it's not until we examine the same field of work, will we know if there is a real difference in pay.
 

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Simulated Eon said:
Shadowkire said:
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ooh, and religion. I have the right to marry a woman, so why shouldn't a woman too?
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Sorry I just have to ask but are you advocating gay-marriage here?
Nothing against it but I fail to see what it has to do with feminism?
Or is it about something I have failed to notice?
If so then please tell me about it.

(sorry if this seems sarcastic it's not meant to be.)
I am not advocating anything, merely pointing out that for men and women to have the same rights would logically mean either nobody can marry or either gender can marry either gender([edit] or for marriage to be defined as not being a right).

This logic would also indicate that religious arguments against same sex marriage will eventually become an obstacle to the feminist's fight for equality.
 

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I was then an "ass" for responding to this directly.
You were an ass by putting a blatantly obvious bullshit story at the end of your rant and claiming I'm wrong:

By the way; thinking back, I can't help but remember that I was passed for an organ donarship by a company which I had worked in for about 2.5 yrs. A girl who has the same position as me and has been there for 1 day got the kidney and gets paid more 100 times than me. Yet when they are short people I always get called in on mandatory overtime while she gets free icecream. So where the hell did you get your story?

Clearly my story PROVES you wrong!
I got my story from my life. Shall I ask my boss for written proof that he was sexist? I'm sure he'll be more than happy to oblige, especially after I reported the issue of the raise to HR.

Apparently I have to give facts to disprove your wild accusations. Rather than you providing facts to prove your arguments. Can you say double standard?
Yeah, let us look at your post I quoted:
So no, as far as I can see, Women lead better lives than men. What with them not killing themselves, making better lifestyle choices, having less mental illness, better health, being paid less because they work in better conditions and the whole "not being labelled as sex offenders" thing.
Great facts you totally convinced me.

As well as? It's not a competition to see who's the best at hurting themselves/people. Jesus. I think you meant they do it as often, which I showed to be blatant ignorance.
Do I even need to explain how you were trolling here? You knew what I said and took it out of context. I didn't say it was a competition, just that they do it 'TOO' and never mentioned they do it as often or more. Is throwing things out of context to prove that you're right as good as my personal experience?

This definitely means that men in the West don't need any help! I hope you also realise that if you're suggesting "Men in the West should shut up because women in completely different cultures get stoned" then women should also shut the fuck up about the pay gap. It works both ways. I'm mostly talking about the West in my posts.
My argument is this: Women don't have it easier than men which was your claim. I'm saying both have it hard in their own ways.
Read your post I quoted:

So no, as far as I can see, Women lead better lives than men. What with them not killing themselves, making better lifestyle choices, having less mental illness, better health, being paid less because they work in better conditions and the whole "not being labelled as sex offenders" thing.
You made no reference to men in the west.


So? What has this got to do with anything? Explain to me, what this means and how it makes me wrong.
Well it clearly means that getting burned alive because your old husband died is a great thing for women!!! How unfortunate for men that they don't get this honor. */sarcasm*
Both men got away with murder despite all those who witnessed the act at the funeral.

Again: I quoted you on how you claim women have it easy, and as I pointed out you made no reference to the west. I'm not disputing that men don't have issues, I'm arguing that we don't have it as easy as you make it out to be.

You'll notice that you made no mention of any of the things you bring up in your second post - and act as though I've simply ignored them. Pathetic!
I didn't do this because I wasn't being an ass and didn't think you would hit back with such a nuclear response (Mass Effect quote FTW) and with a lot of attitude, sorry for assuming you wouldn't troll and that you would have some understanding. What is 'pathetic' is that you're bringing up that I'm wrong about men in the west having issues and not proving you wrong, this is you defending your claim that women have it easier than men. See my response to your thread, never accused them of not having issues. If I did, quote me on it.

Cheers for the insults.
No problem, just returning the favor :)
 

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Shadowkire said:
Simulated Eon said:
Shadowkire said:
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ooh, and religion. I have the right to marry a woman, so why shouldn't a woman too?
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Sorry I just have to ask but are you advocating gay-marriage here?
Nothing against it but I fail to see what it has to do with feminism?
Or is it about something I have failed to notice?
If so then please tell me about it.

(sorry if this seems sarcastic it's not meant to be.)
I am not advocating anything, merely pointing out that for men and women to have the same rights would logically mean either nobody can marry or either gender can marry either gender([edit] or for marriage to be defined as not being a right).

This logic would also indicate that religious arguments against same sex marriage will eventually become an obstacle to the feminist's fight for equality.
Never thought of it that way very interesting point.

OT: Not all feminists are crazy, but some of the crazy ones are really vocal and ruin the image. It is necessary though you need someone to take things too far so everyone else can feel like they are bargaining or negotiating. It also does raise awareness of the issue and allows more mild people to join under the banner and pursue their interests. Its funny how it works and how people can't just band together and say what they need to say to get what they want. But that is how things work.

Other than that, all for equality and people doing w/e nice things they want to whomever says it's ok to do those nice things to.

...I'm not so sure if any of this made sense as I am running on 2 hours of sleep for the second day in a row now. Anyway if I did offend anyone or anything it wasn't intended.
 

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SuperMse said:
Alright, guys, I was just looking at this thread [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.270981-Poll-Do-you-consider-yourself-a-feminist], and I'm about to go Super Saiyan as a result. There are tons of people questioning the OP's definition of feminism and further perpetrating that feminists are angry, crazy women who want more rights than men.

This is contradictory to the core values of feminism. Feminism, at a basic level, is and has always been about EQUALITY between men and women. It was prompted by women feeling left out when men had more rights than them- i.e. right to vote, right to own property, right to be an individual citizen as a daughter or in marriage, etc. Just read Mary Wollstonecraft's A Vindication of the Rights of Women and you'll know what I'm talking about. But another aspect of feminism, especially more recently, has been the liberation of men from gender expectations as well as pushing for equal rights for any group that is departmentalized against, with the logic that if they are not helped, then women will not receive aid either. In this way, it has taken a much more humanist approach. Every single feminist I have met, and I have met a few unsavory feminists, has gone by this philosophy, and has never believed that women should have more rights than men. Do you really have so much daily interaction with feminists that you can claim otherwise, or just a few flimsy anecdotes? Have you ever actually studied feminist theory? Please stop going by a tired old stereotype perpetrated by the media and actually look at the feminist movement as a whole before you judge it. At least give it the courtesy of a Googlesearch [http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Feminism].
The Myth of the Angry Feminist
"and I have met a few unsavory feminists"

Myth of the Angry Feminist
"met a few unsavory feminists"

They are a myth,
and yet you have met a few.

So I am to assume that these "Angry Feminists" are both real and a myth at the same time?
they must be scary creatures indeed.
I used unsavory for a reason. They're people I don't like, partially because of how they handle feminism, but they're not the loons they're made out to be. Good catch, though. I can see how that could be confusing.
 

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Dragunai said:
SuperMse said:
Alright, guys, I was just looking at this thread [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.270981-Poll-Do-you-consider-yourself-a-feminist], and I'm about to go Super Saiyan as a result. There are tons of people questioning the OP's definition of feminism and further perpetrating that feminists are angry, crazy women who want more rights than men.

This is contradictory to the core values of feminism. Feminism, at a basic level, is and has always been about EQUALITY between men and women. It was prompted by women feeling left out when men had more rights than them- i.e. right to vote, right to own property, right to be an individual citizen as a daughter or in marriage, etc. Just read Mary Wollstonecraft's A Vindication of the Rights of Women and you'll know what I'm talking about. But another aspect of feminism, especially more recently, has been the liberation of men from gender expectations as well as pushing for equal rights for any group that is departmentalized against, with the logic that if they are not helped, then women will not receive aid either. In this way, it has taken a much more humanist approach. Every single feminist I have met, and I have met a few unsavory feminists, has gone by this philosophy, and has never believed that women should have more rights than men. Do you really have so much daily interaction with feminists that you can claim otherwise, or just a few flimsy anecdotes? Have you ever actually studied feminist theory? Please stop going by a tired old stereotype perpetrated by the media and actually look at the feminist movement as a whole before you judge it. At least give it the courtesy of a Google search [http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Feminism].
Allow me, if you will, to break this down in both an educational and humorous manner.

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Chapter one:

A common misconception amongst our humble society known only as, human society, there are individuals who stand up for female rights in a male dominated world.

One popular misconception is that these individuals, well known as feminists, jump to erratic conclusions, going on irritating rants about how the world doesn't understand them despite the laughable fact that they are very well understood with only a handful of males in the world who do not. Those males fall into the following catergories:

1. White, middle class, christian males in their 50s (see reference: Senators, statesmen, judges)

2. Rednecks (self explanatory)

3. Wise guys who know most feminists will jump on their soap box the instant they say "Make me a sandwich" and therefore do it to provoke these women knowing a comical and entertaining result WILL occur.

4. Religious Zealots who seem to think its still 1108 AD and are incapable of staying in sync with the "real world" (See reference: Islam / Catholism)

Please observe Example A, as reference to point 3.

Example A:
"Alright, guys, I was just looking at this thread [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.270981-Poll-Do-you-consider-yourself-a-feminist], and I'm about to go Super Saiyan as a result."

Moving swiftly on.

***

Chapter two:

The average feminist is something many people perceive to be very self righteous and condescending but the reality is that they are just so passionate about what they believe in that everyones opinion does, in fact, cease to matter and no amount of "yes, I get it, the whole world has gotten it since the late 1800s and early 1900s, this now being 2011, I dare say close to a century, we do in fact... get it." will appease them.

See example B for more understanding:

Example B:
"This is contradictory to the core values of feminism. Feminism, at a basic level, is and has always been about EQUALITY between men and women."

Whilst the average male, such as myself, will hear the word feminist and associate it with such powerful political and social, perhaps insurrections is the word? as the suffragette movement in 1908, the average female will hear the word and immediately start looking for a man to shout at for thinking she is a man hating lesbian because she is a feminist.

While the OP has stated her claim that apperently most if not all men seem to fail to understand the concept of this she has not approached the most important principle for her rant:

"Where did the stigma come from?"

I am left to assume that somehow we males will be linked to the origins of the "bra burning, man hating lesbian" sterotyped feminist without any mention of the social renaissance visited upon the UK and the USA during the 60s where women literally stood on the stairs of public buildings and torched their bras in social defiance.

After all, it was a man who invented the concept of wrapping her breasts in cloth, a practise as old as the greek and egyptian civilisations...

Yeah... I couldnt prove that either.

***

Chapter three:

The modern feminist seems to think that somehow men owe them a debt to some degree.
I find it somewhat hysterical myself as a cynical, skeptical human being that the very same women who scream for the same rights as a man still expects a man to hold the door for her, surrender his seat upon her entry to a room or to simply remove his hat upon her presence crossing his in a social setting.

"But another aspect of feminism, especially more recently, has been the liberation of men from gender expectations,"

If this statement is true then I, as a well mannered man who does hold doors for women and surrender my seat, am yet to see any physical evidence of it.

On numerous occassions as a small child of no more than seven years up to my twenty fourth year this coming week, I have held doors for women only for them to brush past me without so much as a smile.

Here, let me remind you of how this works:

Man: Holds door for woman
Woman: Walks through door and says "Thank you," /Smile optional.

The key element here is remembering that we don't HAVE to hold the door open for you in the same way you dont HAVE to show the slightest appreciation or basic human respect for the courtesy. This is nothing to do with gender roles, it IS to do with manners and traditions.

I am pleased to say however in the past when I have stood back and let a mother with a pram get onto a bus before me they have typically shown gratitude, not that I do such things for the gratitude, it was just engrained into me from childhood but as a human being it is nice to know my actions were appreciated.

***

Appendix:

"Do you really have so much daily interaction with feminists that you can claim otherwise, or just a few flimsy anecdotes?"

Yes, my mom, kid sister (20yrs) and one of my uncles (not joking) are all pro feminism and have a fondness for spending time explaining to me why women were not put on this earth to be mistreated, because apperently men are and I as a man apperently have nothing better to do than to mistreat said females.

For every one low life who will abuse his girlfriend or wife, there are three men who buy her flowers and tell her they love her daily.

Why are these men not celebrated with the free hand you're not using to denegrate my gender?

(point en case - My ex gf didnt leave our old apartment to go to uni without me saying I loved her every morning with a kiss before she left no matter how tired I was. She left me for another guy after lying about having an abortion.)

"Have you ever actually studied feminist theory?"

No but my mother has... extensively... and this has in turn rubbed off onto me in our many intellectual forays into the human sociology which consists of her saying. "Women should be allowed to wear mini skirts and not get raped, its her right!" to which my father and I reply, "Damn I guess I better flush my rohypnol and thats the weekends entertainment buggered."


"Please stop going by a tired old stereotype perpetrated by the media and actually look at the feminist movement as a whole before you judge it"

I guess when the media doesn't have any pro vagina rallys to broadcast or print in their newspapers they will run out of methods of promoting the negitive sterotype that is being rammed down our throats without any provokation.

Closing:

Thank you for that sterotypically condescending rant containing subject matter, which I am sure, we have all read at least 5 times this year alone. It was nice to see you cling to the old cléches of:

You dont understand us
Let me explain how this works because you're clearly too ignorant but I am all knowing!
How dare you have an opinion on a public forum that contradicts mine
etc, etc

Now please climb down off that soapbox so I, a mere humble man, may dust it down for the religious, political and other self righteous, I have all the answers because you're ignorant ranters, who throw their worthless short sighted opinions around like so much feces in a monkey enclosure.

And while we're on the subject, wheres my F*cking sandwich.

EDIT:

Your title is a misnoma.
A myth is something that cannot be proven, the angry feminist is something that is provable and very real in modern socity.
Thanks for putting words in my mouth.
 

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stinkychops said:
Okay several things:
1) The article does say it is illegal and thinking on it now: I don't know why I it brought up, considering this argument is about modern times not the past.
2) I was trying to prove women have it equally as hard over all, as men do as I had knowledge you were talking about the west. Which brings me to the next one.
3) Yes I didn't read your previous posts, so I have none of those sources.

Lastly: You're right, you didn't insult me and I was being the ass. So I'm genuinely sorry about that.

On that note, I'm going to drop the argument lest I blow it out of proportion again.,
 

Shadowkire

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stinkychops said:
Light 086 said:
blah
Stinky, you should have pointed out that Light's stories meant nothing from the beginning instead of playing the mimic.

As well as? It's not a competition to see who's the best at hurting themselves/people. Jesus. I think you meant they do it as often, which I showed to be blatant ignorance.
Sandwiching a joke between mildly offensive attacks on a persons argument with an underside of Taking-the-Lord's-name-in-vain doesn't read like a joke in text, therefore its not clear you were making one.

Yes, really. Calling someone's argument pathetic unnecessarily is an insult, an indirect one but an insult nonetheless.
 

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i think the term feminist is sexist. why not equalist or something. as a guy i dont want to call my self a feminist just cause i think men and women should be equal. personally i dont think we should need a term like feminist. we should only need a term for people who think men are superior or for people who think women are superior.

personally i have never expirence unequality between the sexes except for those that they impose on them selves. like all the way back in pe at highschool alot of girls didnt play manly games like basketball or cricket or soccer but they were infact perfectly capable of playing.

like i have never seen someone with the same qualifications and expirence being paid differently in the same job. maybe its cause im under 25 and from what i have seen the wage gap for my age group is supposed to only be 10 cents in the dollar.
 

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stinkychops said:
SuperMse said:
Thanks for putting words in my mouth.
What a copp out. Try harder/cry harder. I think he made some good points.

You could at least address the one about the topic title.
I never said I was a feminist, though I do support equal rights, so I guess I am. But I don't really identify with the movement. That said, I felt a need to defend it. I also am not opposed to being polite- such as with door opening and pulling chairs out. I know that, in a modern context, it's not sexist. The guy is projecting a personality onto me that just doesn't describe me.
 

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Dragunai said:
Allow me, if you will, to break this down in both an educational and humorous manner.
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Chapter one:

Says crap about the views that the stereotypical "angry feminist" holds and makes a possibly unintentional accusation that the OP is one.

Moving swiftly on. -if only you did so from the beginning as this "chapter" had only tangential relevance to the thread.

***

Chapter two:

The average feminist is something many people perceive to be very self righteous and condescending but the reality is that they are just so passionate about what they believe in that everyones opinion does, in fact, cease to matter and no amount of "yes, I get it, the whole world has gotten it since the late 1800s and early 1900s, this now being 2011, I dare say close to a century, we do in fact... get it." will appease them.

What is being "gotten" here? Certainly not an agreement on equality, and certainly not for a century, check second-to-next bold for YOUR example.

See example B for more understanding:

Example B:
"This is contradictory to the core values of feminism. Feminism, at a basic level, is and has always been about EQUALITY between men and women."

Whilst the average male, such as myself, will hear the word feminist and associate it with such powerful political and social, perhaps insurrections is the word? as the suffragette movement in 1908, the average female will hear the word and immediately start looking for a man to shout at for thinking she is a man hating lesbian because she is a feminist.

While the OP has stated her claim that apperently most if not all men seem to fail to understand the concept of this she has not approached the most important principle for her rant:

"Where did the stigma come from?"

I am left to assume that somehow we males will be linked to the origins of the "bra burning, man hating lesbian" sterotyped feminist without any mention of the social renaissance visited upon the UK and the USA during the 60s where women literally stood on the stairs of public buildings and torched their bras in social defiance.

After all, it was a man who invented the concept of wrapping her breasts in cloth, a practise as old as the greek and egyptian civilisations...

Yeah... I couldnt prove that either.

***

Chapter three:

The modern feminist seems to think that somehow men owe them a debt to some degree.
I find it somewhat hysterical myself as a cynical, skeptical human being that the very same women who scream for the same rights as a man still expects a man to hold the door for her, surrender his seat upon her entry to a room or to simply remove his hat upon her presence crossing his in a social setting.

"But another aspect of feminism, especially more recently, has been the liberation of men from gender expectations,"

If this statement is true then I, as a well mannered man who does hold doors for women and surrender my seat, am yet to see any physical evidence of it.

On numerous occasions as a small child of no more than seven years up to my twenty fourth year this coming week, I have held doors for women only for them to brush past me without so much as a smile.

Here, let me remind you of how this works:

Man: Holds door for woman
Woman: Walks through door and says "Thank you," /Smile optional.

The key element here is remembering that we don't HAVE to hold the door open for you in the same way you dont HAVE to show the slightest appreciation or basic human respect for the courtesy. This is nothing to do with gender roles, it IS to do with manners and traditions.

I am pleased to say however in the past when I have stood back and let a mother with a pram get onto a bus before me they have typically shown gratitude, not that I do such things for the gratitude, it was just engrained into me from childhood but as a human being it is nice to know my actions were appreciated.

***

Appendix:

"Do you really have so much daily interaction with feminists that you can claim otherwise, or just a few flimsy anecdotes?"

Yes, my mom, kid sister (20yrs) and one of my uncles (not joking) are all pro feminism and have a fondness for spending time explaining to me why women were not put on this earth to be mistreated, because apparently men are and I as a man apparently have nothing better to do than to mistreat said females.

For every one low life who will abuse his girlfriend or wife, there are three men who buy her flowers and tell her they love her daily.

Why are these men not celebrated with the free hand you're not using to denigrate my gender?

(point en case - My ex gf didn't leave our old apartment to go to uni without me saying I loved her every morning with a kiss before she left no matter how tired I was. She left me for another guy after lying about having an abortion.)

"Have you ever actually studied feminist theory?"

No but my mother has... extensively... and this has in turn rubbed off onto me in our many intellectual forays into the human sociology which consists of her saying. "Women should be allowed to wear mini skirts and not get raped, its her right!" to which my father and I reply, "Damn I guess I better flush my rohypnol and that's the weekends entertainment buggered."


"Please stop going by a tired old stereotype perpetrated by the media and actually look at the feminist movement as a whole before you judge it"

I guess when the media doesn't have any pro vagina rallies to broadcast or print in their newspapers they will run out of methods of promoting the negative stereotype that is being rammed down our throats without any provocation.

Closing:

Thank you for that stereotypically condescending rant containing subject matter, which I am sure, we have all read at least 5 times this year alone. It was nice to see you cling to the old cliches of:

You don't understand us
Let me explain how this works because you're clearly too ignorant but I am all knowing!
How dare you have an opinion on a public forum that contradicts mine
etc, etc

Now please climb down off that soapbox so I, a mere humble man, may dust it down for the religious, political and other self righteous, I have all the answers because you're ignorant ranters, who throw their worthless short sighted opinions around like so much feces in a monkey enclosure.

And while we're on the subject, wheres my F*cking sandwich.

EDIT:

Your title is a misnomer.
A myth is something that cannot be proven, the angry feminist is something that is provable and very real in modern society.
Ok, made some changes IN the quote for the first 2 chapters, now for chapter 3:

Based on the fact that you have 3 pro-feminists in your family I can see how you equate the word feminist with woman, but just because a lot of women expect a man to behave like a gentleman doesn't mean they are feminists. I quote myself from page 5 of this thread:
Shadowkire said:
I would say an avid feminist can be either the mean "man hating" ones or the nice kind. Both want more than equal rights for women, they want equal treatment.

That is where your statement about "regular" women goes off track(in my opinion and experience). They want equal rights, but scoff when out on a date with a guy and he doesn't act like a perfect gentleman(I trust that we all know what that would entail). They don't blink twice when a guy knocks out another guy, but if a man slaps a woman he gets painted as a backwards, wife-beating hick regardless of whether he had a relationship with the woman or not. I know a woman who said she was all for equal treatment but didn't see what was wrong with her ex-husband paying alimony when she was capable of supporting herself and instigated the divorce.

That is the modern obstacle for the feminist movement: men AND women.

[edit]
ooh, and religion. I have the right to marry a woman, so why shouldn't a woman too?

[edit2]
I am for both equal rights and equal treatment, but against the hypocrisy of the "fair weather" feminists.
As for you being bothered by the lack of "thank yous" for holding the door, well some people are rude, for an example see the line before your [edit].

The appendix is just you providing a bit of your background and the rest is projection of your terrible treatment at the hands of your mother and sister onto the OP. Get some therapy.

Your closing argument is way off base, not surprising given the length of your post. The OP was trying to inform people that a feminist can be more than the "angry woman" stereotype, not to gloat or lord anything over anyone.
 

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Imperator_DK said:
Flatfrog said:
Imperator_DK said:
Just saying you want equality for a particular group - which you belong to - is a bit too limited in scope for my taste.
Lots of people have been saying this kind of thing, and it's just silly. Obviously any feminist is likely to also be in favour of racial equality and against any kind of discrimination. That just happens not to be the thing they specialise in campaigning about.
If they will not fight for others, I see no reason anyone else should fight for them. If they cannot empathize with the needs of others as much as their own, how on earth can they expect anyone else - in this case men - to?
Oh, come off it. Are you seriously suggesting that feminists 'won't fight for others'? That they don't care about racial equality or other equality issues? That's just idiotic. Feminism is *one of* the civil rights movements. It's not one thing or the other.
 

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Oh, come off it. Are you seriously suggesting that feminists 'won't fight for others'? That they don't care about racial equality or other equality issues? That's just idiotic. Feminism is *one of* the civil rights movements. It's not one thing or the other.
Of course not. I'm simply suggesting that by adopting such limited focus - at least communicatively by using such limited term - they won't actively fight for the non-discrimiation of innocent others, only being active on the single front of (their own) gender. Thus, no one need actively fight for their rights either.
 

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Imperator_DK said:
Of course not. I'm simply suggesting that by adopting such limited focus - at least communicatively by using such limited term - they won't actively fight for the non-discrimiation of innocent others, only being active on the single front of (their own) gender. Thus, no one need actively fight for their rights either.
You mean the same way that, say, Gay Rights activists aren't allowed to do anything about the rights of anyone who isn't gay?
 

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Imperator_DK said:
Flatfrog said:
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Oh, come off it. Are you seriously suggesting that feminists 'won't fight for others'? That they don't care about racial equality or other equality issues? That's just idiotic. Feminism is *one of* the civil rights movements. It's not one thing or the other.
Of course not. I'm simply suggesting that by adopting such limited focus - at least communicatively by using such limited term - they won't actively fight for the non-discrimiation of innocent others, only being active on the single front of (their own) gender. Thus, no one need actively fight for their rights either.
So every campaign should be 'End all injustice to everyone now'? Surely everyone focuses on something! Would you make the same complaint that campaigners for rights for disabled people should be fighting for gay rights as well? That cancer charities are limiting themselves by not looking for cures to AIDS? This just makes no sense.