Cuz in order to enjoy to really role play in a game it helps if you're looking at your character like a puppet rather than "playing" the character from a first person perspective?end_boss said:
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The new fallout game, why the eltism of hate?
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Fallout is one of my all time favorites, and easily eclipses any other RPG ive ever played exempting Torment. I enjoyed ES3 Morrowind quite a bit because of it's interesting setting, but thought Oblivion was utterly ordinary (I still played more than 100 hours, not sure why).
You may thus take anything I say as the rantings of a fanboy if you like.
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The real problem here is that the people who played fallout and like it well enough to care about having a sequel after 10 years are not the sort to like elder scrolls games simply because their gameplay is so different.
Its simply the variety of experience, the freedom of being able to approach problems however you see fit that makes fallout special.
Most of the quests in fallout can be solved solely by talking, including all portions of the main quests. Think about this for a moment: you can save the world (or at least your little chunk of it) as a PACIFIST. There are so many more ways you can deal with your problems in fallout it's just crazy. Contrast this with ES games: the vast majority of quests are only resolvable by combat, particularly the main questline, and NPC dialog like an MMO.
I've heard Bethesda games described as MMOs without all the stupid people and think it's spot-on accurate. If you like leet lewt and skillgrinding by all means enjoy them.
But don't touch my fallout.
Fallout is one of my all time favorites, and easily eclipses any other RPG ive ever played exempting Torment. I enjoyed ES3 Morrowind quite a bit because of it's interesting setting, but thought Oblivion was utterly ordinary (I still played more than 100 hours, not sure why).
You may thus take anything I say as the rantings of a fanboy if you like.
*/Disclaimer*
The real problem here is that the people who played fallout and like it well enough to care about having a sequel after 10 years are not the sort to like elder scrolls games simply because their gameplay is so different.
Its simply the variety of experience, the freedom of being able to approach problems however you see fit that makes fallout special.
Most of the quests in fallout can be solved solely by talking, including all portions of the main quests. Think about this for a moment: you can save the world (or at least your little chunk of it) as a PACIFIST. There are so many more ways you can deal with your problems in fallout it's just crazy. Contrast this with ES games: the vast majority of quests are only resolvable by combat, particularly the main questline, and NPC dialog like an MMO.
I've heard Bethesda games described as MMOs without all the stupid people and think it's spot-on accurate. If you like leet lewt and skillgrinding by all means enjoy them.
But don't touch my fallout.
I am of the opinion that no one should think that Bethesda will be able to make a good Fallout game because the last two Elder Scrolls games were not good. I was so sad when I heard who would be responsible for Fallout 3, I will be surprised if Bethesda manages to make a Fallout game that I enjoy given their track record with their last two games.
I don't think they are available for sale anymore, either physically or digitally.ilves7 said:
A torrent is acceptable in this case.
If you find them, be aware that high cpu speeds screw up portions of the game so its best to use an old computer if you have one (P2/P3/early P4 should be fine).
Yes, but Fallout has many different ways you can get to point B. It basically has point A2, A3, A4, A2 version 2, A4 version 2, A2 version 3, blah blah blah... you can go anywhere at any time, kill anyone you want (well... not quite... don't even try to kill the Overseer), steal anything you want, sell anything you want... dialogue is deep and complex... enter dialogue with an NPC and you will hear things no other NPC will say. You can get very different results from different dialogue options. Oh, and you can often side with unambiguously evil people for fun and profit, something that does not happen in Elder Scrolls games, except with the predictably anemic Dark Brotherhood questline in Oblivion.aegis7 said:
Oblivion? Go here, kill this, come back for your reward. Take it or leave it. Oh, and you have to do things in a specific order. When it's all done, you get the same ending no matter how you did things. Also, you're the good guy. No, you can't actually side with the Mythic Dawn, sorry. Only the aforementioned Dark Brotherhood questline lets you take the side of villains.
So with Oblivion, you appear to have a lot of freedom, but in reality, once you go down a certain path, you have to do things in a particular way and in a particular order. On occasion, you may get two choices, but they are seldom very meaningful, and never change anything very much.
They recently admitted it's 'Oblivion with guns'. They used those words. All that stuff about keeping the fans in mind was bullshit, something they have become very skilled at and used very frequently. Todd Howard is the new Peter Molyneaux, I say.monodiabloloco said:
Not true. You can pick up the Fallout collection for about a fiver (something I decided to do recently) here -ReepNeep said:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/GSP-Fallout-Collection-PC/dp/B000FUD16A/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1205357676&sr=8-1
Personally, I think that the only playable one now is Tactics. Fallout 1&2 are fugly games now, and I think they're far too dated now. Which is annoying because I can usually play older games. The interface is also painful to use now. Does anyone know if theres any fan projects to improve the graphics? (Also, please don't flame me!)
I'm really looking forward to Fallout 3 though. It's taking everything I liked about the first two games (the setting mainly) and updating it so that I can actually enjoy it.
Fallout might work in Windows 95 compatibility mode, but I'm not sure, you may need some kind of emulation. Fallout 2 should work fine in XP, but I don't know about Vista.Strafe Mcgee said:
As for graphics, the old-school feel of Fallout is a good thing in my book. I love it. The games already felt a bit dated when they were released... that was deliberate. Also... oh, you said no flaming... uh... yeah, it's a turn-based, isometric RPG. Graphics shouldn't matter all that much for a game like that. If you're REALLY that much of a sucker for graphics, you might ask the folks on NMA, if you can stomach them. RPGcodex might know, too, but they may be even worse (except that they have a better sense of humor).
EDIT: Be sure to patch Fallout 2, it's got bigger bugs than the Amazon rainforest.
The Fallout 3 hatred seems to be entirely based on the fact that many RPG elements are being taken out of the game, with action elements added. People fear this because they hated Fallout: Tactics and Brotherhood of Steel, Fallout-esque games that were primarily action-oriented.
These old school fans are terrified of someone making a change to a game they enjoyed in two long iterations, and now because the game has been reborn, albeit from a different team, they'd like the world to know that they are real Fallout fans, who like the real game, back when it was good, etc. etc.
Really, they're just showing off. Instead of anticipating and wondering how the game will be from a positive outlook, an anything is possible outlook, they want to feel special so they decry its existence as sacrilegous and curse Bethesda's name. They "know" it will be bad, because they know Fallout, they played that game and they loved it. No one could ever make it any different and have it turn out well.
I know how they feel. I tried to be excited for Terminator 3, and then it murdered my soul and I've spent the last few years trying to reclaim it. Fallout fans have already had their souls marred twice by those two cheap knock-offs, and now they must endure an actual sequel, under seemingly dubious circumstances.
So they flame and they flame and they assume the worst. Nonetheless, for all their shittalking, I guarantee they'll have a copy of it on Day One, just like my butt was in the seat at 11:30 am for T3.
These old school fans are terrified of someone making a change to a game they enjoyed in two long iterations, and now because the game has been reborn, albeit from a different team, they'd like the world to know that they are real Fallout fans, who like the real game, back when it was good, etc. etc.
Really, they're just showing off. Instead of anticipating and wondering how the game will be from a positive outlook, an anything is possible outlook, they want to feel special so they decry its existence as sacrilegous and curse Bethesda's name. They "know" it will be bad, because they know Fallout, they played that game and they loved it. No one could ever make it any different and have it turn out well.
I know how they feel. I tried to be excited for Terminator 3, and then it murdered my soul and I've spent the last few years trying to reclaim it. Fallout fans have already had their souls marred twice by those two cheap knock-offs, and now they must endure an actual sequel, under seemingly dubious circumstances.
So they flame and they flame and they assume the worst. Nonetheless, for all their shittalking, I guarantee they'll have a copy of it on Day One, just like my butt was in the seat at 11:30 am for T3.
also here http://www.gogamer.com/Fallout-Collection-PC-Games_stcVVproductId6367061VVcatId444758VVviewprod.htm and here http://www.gogamer.com/Fallout-Collection-PC-Games_stcVVproductId6367061VVcatId444758VVviewprod.htmReepNeep said:
best do some research before suggesting an illegal torrent of a game
No, I am a huge Fallout fan, but I will wait for piracy to allow me a free copy (something I do not condone under most circumstances), because Bethesda deserves my contempt for what they are doing, not my money. I may play if before then, if my brother gets a copy, but I will never buy a new copy.krysalist said:
"(something I do not condone under most circumstances)"
Meaning "Every game on my computer is pirated"
Meaning "Every game on my computer is pirated"
No, only System Shock 2, which costs 2 lbs. of flesh now. Due to karma, my 4:3 monitor doesn't really work now, so I can't play it anyway (no widescreen).Lurchibald said:
I have yet to understand why Bethesda deserves anyone's contempt for making a sequel to a game which otherwise would not likely have had a sequel?
And just how many of your children did Bethesda cook and eat?
And the fact that you'll steal it doesn't really bother me. But it also displays a lack of conviction -- if you really hate the entire idea of the game, why play it at all?
or if you have an eb games which has a 7 day return policy on games... buy it and if you really don't like the game bring it back..... also IF you did indeed like/love the game after your "Piracy" would you buy it?
I think I'd prefer it didn't have a sequel. I will play it to see if they managed to make something worthwhile, if not neccesarily desirable. Bethesda didn't eat any children that I know of, but... honest to God, if I ever meet Todd Howard, I will demand my money back for Oblivion. I don't care that he probably wouldn't give it to me, it would just give me a sense of satisfaction.krysalist said:
EDIT: Also, I think that shows more conviction than ripping the game apart before its release and then buying it. Oh, and no, I would not buy a new copy of the game, because as mentioned, I'm still pissed about Oblivion.
I'm so sad I was late for the Fallout train. When it first came out I was a bit young and alot into other types of games.
I downloaded the torrent recently and tryed to play it but I just couldn't get trough the uglynes of what is now times long gone in terms of computer gaming. I liked the story, I liked it alot and I realy want to play a post-apocalyptic game with an engaging storyline.
What makes me even more sad is that I did play Oblivion and even though I can't realy explain why, I just found it boring and couldn't force myself to finish it.
I can just hope that my desire for an apocalypse will eclipse some possible problems with the game to still allow me to enjoy it. (it didn't help with AutoAssault)
I downloaded the torrent recently and tryed to play it but I just couldn't get trough the uglynes of what is now times long gone in terms of computer gaming. I liked the story, I liked it alot and I realy want to play a post-apocalyptic game with an engaging storyline.
What makes me even more sad is that I did play Oblivion and even though I can't realy explain why, I just found it boring and couldn't force myself to finish it.
I can just hope that my desire for an apocalypse will eclipse some possible problems with the game to still allow me to enjoy it. (it didn't help with AutoAssault)
But he'd let you work for Gizmo and the dude under the Hub. Also, you could join the mutants, though that ending sucked.krysalist said:
EDIT: Oh, and you could still work with that foul-tempered ghoul in Necropolis.