The new moral zeitgeist.

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Catalyst6

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It's not that things have changed, it's just much easier to get away with being rude. With the advent of constant connection to the internet we can isolate ourselves from people that are annoying us. And if you're feeling like crap and some weirdo tries to talk to you, well, they're being annoying.

+1 for observation, -23 for use of "zeitgeist" in title.
 

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Catalyst6 said:
It's not that things have changed, it's just much easier to get away with being rude. With the advent of constant connection to the internet we can isolate ourselves from people that are annoying us. And if you're feeling like crap and some weirdo tries to talk to you, well, they're being annoying.

+1 for observation, -23 for use of "zeitgeist" in title.
My point exactly, clearly you in the correct time period for your ideals.
 

CrazyCapnMorgan

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theloneassassin said:
CrazyCapnMorgan said:
People have forgotten what it means to be human over the course of time. The great social critics of our times have also made these observations, such as Bill Hicks and George Carlin. There is also a lot to be learned from them and equally as much to conclude from their views.
I have never read their work before but i have heard a lot about them, and i enjoy you using such an intelligent statement to reply sir. You understood my underlying thought about all of this and for that I applaud you sir, you are excellent.
Bill Hicks only had one book and I do recommend it, it's called "Love All The People". It details a bunch of his skits, and some of his interviews, personal views and replies to various people - an extremely enlightening view into this wonderful person.

George Carlin's books are mainly a compilation of his skits. It doesn't really offer anything really insightful, aside from his patented humor, so I'd have to recommend looking up interviews on the internet. They're fairly easy to find.

Forgot to mention Lenny Bruce, too. Most people are too young to remember who he was, but he basically started the trend that made comedy what it is, and continually evolving to be, today. Allow me to share some insights of these men with you...



 

Catalyst6

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theloneassassin said:
Catalyst6 said:
It's not that things have changed, it's just much easier to get away with being rude. With the advent of constant connection to the internet we can isolate ourselves from people that are annoying us. And if you're feeling like crap and some weirdo tries to talk to you, well, they're being annoying.

+1 for observation, -23 for use of "zeitgeist" in title.
My point exactly, clearly you in the correct time period for your ideals.
I believe you misunderstand me. I'm saying that nothing has changed, there has been no "shift". It's just that you're noticing it now more than you might have in the past.
 

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CrazyCapnMorgan said:
GooBeyond said:
ALMOST ninja'd! I was gonna post that in my reply to the OP, but chose something slightly different from the same show. Thanks, though, for posting that! Shows that I'm not completely insane...yet...
Lol xD i enjoy your statment about not being insane.. yet :) i often find myself on the brink of insanity.
 

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I may be just talking into empty space by now about this but does anyone else see a problem with people in their daily life's? This is just from me, people now hardly ever say thank you or when some do no one says you're welcome. I see people who look upset and i ask them what's wrong, half or more of them just get pissy to me. I see that could be something was wrong but at least they could say they don't want to talk about it. People don't care about each other anymore and it's starting to lure me to a conclusion why should I care, but it's in my nature to care. Is anyone else making these observations or am i alone? For god sakes people can't even take the time to eat with their mouth closed or go a day without a phone.
Yep people are closed-minded, slacked-jawed, stuck up jerks, at least 80% of everybody in the USA, i'd say and unfortunately theirs no cure. sometimes people suck. really cool avatar though, that show was great when it was on
 

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Catalyst6 said:
theloneassassin said:
Catalyst6 said:
It's not that things have changed, it's just much easier to get away with being rude. With the advent of constant connection to the internet we can isolate ourselves from people that are annoying us. And if you're feeling like crap and some weirdo tries to talk to you, well, they're being annoying.

+1 for observation, -23 for use of "zeitgeist" in title.
My point exactly, clearly you in the correct time period for your ideals.
And you assume that things have not changed, where do you draw this from. Of course things change!!! That's what makes us human but it does not mean they always change for the better. Humans constantly change, look about how we all feel about the middle east now after all the constant problems we had with them. That is a change if you ask me, another change is starting to be everyman for himself. In the past everyone had to stick together or they died.
I believe you misunderstand me. I'm saying that nothing has changed, there has been no "shift". It's just that you're noticing it now more than you might have in the past
 

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TestECull said:
If we spent our time saying things like "Thank you" every time the situation presented we wouldn't have time to do anything.


Drop the bullshit, cut the pleasantries, we have business to attend to. Literally.
How many hours do you spend on facebook, or texting and no bullshit answer.
 

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The courtesy of a few strangers I've met and some people I know is severely lacking, but that's no reason to condemn everyone. I don't know if its just the crowd i've surrounded myself with, but everyone I know says please and thank you, even to people they don't like at all. Hell, even the people i'm on the bus with thank the bus driver for letting them off at their stop, which is a new one on me.

It could be that because I'm living in Ontario (that's in Canada for those who don't know) that i'm isolated from this "barbaric" behaviour, but either way it doesn't get to me unless somebody is deliberately pushing me out of the way so they can go somewhere quicker. Of course people chewing with their mouths open does get on my nerves, one of the last things you want to see is the mush in someone's mouth when you're trying to eat.
 

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katsumoto03 said:
This is hardly a question of morality. If someone's having a shitty day, sometimes they prefer to deal with it alone, which is a good thing. Sure, it's easier to get through with emotional support, but why kill someone else's mood?
COOLEST.AVATAR.EVER.


OP: Uh, I'm gonna take a shot in the dark, and it may sound a bit like I'm projecting. Would I be wrong in assuming you're a student in secondary education or at college/university?
 

Brutal Peanut

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This seems more about the lack of common courtesy in today's world.

I am actually very courteous, or as some people would say, 'overly courteous'. I say 'please', 'thank you', and 'your welcome' a lot, I hold open doors, give away my seat, take shopping carts back for old and/or impaired people so they don't have to walk all the way back, help get stuff off of shelves for the impaired and/or wheelchair bound, let people go ahead of me at the register if they have fair less items in their basket/cart/wtv, etc. Why? Because it makes my day better and their day better. These small actions can make the world a bit brighter as a whole (Ha ha a-whole.....sorry) and perhaps rub off on a few people who otherwise wouldn't think to do these things.

I always like to think of it, like that 'Pay It Forward' movie. Or at least the idea of it. I do something nice for you and you will then be more inclined to do something nice or courteous for someone else. And then you have a bunch of people, doing nice things, for other people and making the world a little less bleak. It's a nice IDEA, but I know it probably isn't working that way. lol

As for trying to help people who are upset or going through something - think it's a cultural thing. In more 'advanced' or what people like to call 'civilized' places, people are far more into individualism - then what is best for the tribe, or community. It's not about what is good for EVERYONE and how EVERYONE should be treated, it's just about US as a person, in our own little bubbles. Perhaps that's why it seems so weird or upsetting when people try to invade your bubble, whether you were doing it out of the kindness of your heart of not. :)

And rambling over!
 

Goldenkitten01

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Ignoring the pointless semantics above I'll just say this. I still try to be courteous and kind to everyone as long as they aren't being outright mean to me or others. And contrary to what appears to be the popular opinion I do see results from it. Do people come flocking to me and praise me as a moral messiah? No.

However I see several places where it pays off. At work lots of other people have to deal with office politics, 12-year-old mentalities in 40-year-old bodies. I largely have avoided this and don't have anyone on my case. I also note that when other people pass by each other they hardly notice, but nowadays (after several monthsb there) when people pass me they often take the initiative and give me their own courteous hello, it may or may not be an act on their part but it certainly makes for a more pleasant day. Similarly in public I hold doors open for others, greet them, and am in general a nice person. This often sees a similar return in manners, and on a few occasions has actually made me a profit, or made a social bridge that proved a useful connection to have in the future.

I don't think we've really changed all that much, there were always cruel people and kind people. Various media outlets have just made it easier to see them all. But like someone above said there's no reason not to be friendly in most cases, and in a few it pays off positively.
 

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Snake Plissken said:
katsumoto03 said:
This is hardly a question of morality. If someone's having a shitty day, sometimes they prefer to deal with it alone, which is a good thing. Sure, it's easier to get through with emotional support, but why kill someone else's mood?
COOLEST.AVATAR.EVER.


OP: Uh, I'm gonna take a shot in the dark, and it may sound a bit like I'm projecting. Would I be wrong in assuming you're a student in secondary education or at college/university?
I am a high-school student 10th grade actually and i am drawing this from my outside experiences not from school.
 

CrazyCapnMorgan

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GooBeyond said:
CrazyCapnMorgan said:
GooBeyond said:
ALMOST ninja'd! I was gonna post that in my reply to the OP, but chose something slightly different from the same show. Thanks, though, for posting that! Shows that I'm not completely insane...yet...
why would you think you're insane dude ?!?
Sanity is a strange word...so subjective. Eh, it's mainly because of what I see and what others see and the distance, seemingly, between the two. It's just nice to find someone of like mind. It'd be nice to have some tea, maybe a pizza and chat sometime.

theloneassassin said:
CrazyCapnMorgan said:
GooBeyond said:
ALMOST ninja'd! I was gonna post that in my reply to the OP, but chose something slightly different from the same show. Thanks, though, for posting that! Shows that I'm not completely insane...yet...
Lol xD i enjoy your statment about not being insane.. yet :) i often find myself on the brink of insanity.
The same of what I said above applies here as well. And, as far as keeping my sanity, or what is seemingly left of it, I remember to keep somewhat separated from it all. Like 'em so...

 

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Common courtesy =/= morality. BUT, I know what you mean. There's been countless threads about this. Yeah people are jerks. You don't have to be one.
 

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theloneassassin said:
I see people who look upset and i ask them what's wrong, half or more of them just get pissy to me.
More often than not, nothing is wrong - you're just seeing their default expression, and when you ask that question it strongly implies that something is wrong with their face.