The only SP games with good gameplay are platformers

[taiwwa]

Basically, if you want good competitive action in

FPS
Strategy
Medieval combat
racing

You're better off with an MP game.

Platformers are the exception because they are essentially puzzle games like Sudoku.

For instance, IMO the combat in dragon age series really pales in comparison to combat in world of warcraft. It isn't even remotely close. WOW is so much better for combat, even if Dragon age allows for more story-telling elements. But where dragon age is better than WOW is in the dialogue choices available, which sort of is a puzzle. That's why I play bioware games on easy

 

[Juventus]

wrong


i raise you bayonetta. game has fantastic game play supplemented by perfect controls.

 

[Nouw]

Well it sort of is in the FPS and Strategy genre to be enjoyed with others. Personally I love bot battles in my shooters and strategies though. That's how I spent many hours with StarWars:Battlefront and Dawn of War.

 

[FalloutJack]

Aha! The old "State your opinions as facts" trick. Very clever. Don Adams would approve.

 

[ResonanceSD]

Yeah, portal, half life, skyrim, oblivion, fallout 3,nv, are the games I thought off immediately that aren't platformers.

 

[Waffle_Man]

Man, I used to really enjoy playing the single player campaigns of FPS and strategy games, but now that you've told me that they aren't fun, I guess I must have wasted all of that time.

 

[ChupathingyX]

Aha! The old "State your opinions as facts" trick. Very clever. Don Adams would approve.

For making a Get Smart reference, you instantly win everything...forever.

OT: No, they aren't.

My favourite game is a sandbox TPS game, not a platformer.

 

[Smooth Operator]

Wow you are just on a "my opinion is fact" roll aren't you.

Don't agree on any of it, MP gameplay is always inferior to SP simply due to lag and lack of control.
The only thing MP is better at is socialization.

 

[NerfedFalcon]

Right now, I'm playing through Bastion, a strictly single-player hack-and-slash RPG, and loving every minute of it. There isn't a dedicated jump button, not that one would be useful with the isometric perspective, so it isn't a platformer by any means.

Actually, I'll just provide a few more games I happen to love:
-Half-Life 2
-Mass Effect
-Batman: Arkham Asylum
-Borderlands (but only in SP, otherwise I never hit anything due to lag)
-Serious Sam: The First Encounter
-Portal
-Perfect Cherry Blossom
-Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
-Mirror's Edge

Only one of these is a platformer. Only two have multiplayer, and I don't touch either. Also, a lot of people hate multiplayer, for reasons ranging from "nobody plays in my region, so lag" to "everyone online is a dick". However, you've said that it's a fact that multiplayer is, in every case (save for one genre), unquestionably better than SP. Well, I'm questioning it - for your sake, I hope you have a good answer.

Spoiler: Also: platformers are like sudoku?

 

[Don Savik]

Can I have your steam ID so I can see what games you play? I seriously need to know what kind of games you own and have played to make a statement on what you think. You generalize so extremely that I can't make a comment because I don't know what you're basing any of this off of.

 

[taiwwa]

Yeah, portal, half life, skyrim, oblivion, fallout 3,nv, are the games I thought off immediately that aren't platformers.

Of those, portal is a platformer. And it was great.

 

[Fishyash]

Right now, I'm playing through Bastion, a strictly single-player hack-and-slash RPG, and loving every minute of it. There isn't a dedicated jump button

Bastion is an amazing experience, I just found it funny that you said there isn't a dedicated jump button. You will find out eventually why I am saying this... assuming you didn't get there by the time I posted.

 

[taiwwa]

Right now, I'm playing through Bastion, a strictly single-player hack-and-slash RPG, and loving every minute of it. There isn't a dedicated jump button, not that one would be useful with the isometric perspective, so it isn't a platformer by any means.

Actually, I'll just provide a few more games I happen to love:
-Half-Life 2
-Mass Effect
-Batman: Arkham Asylum
-Borderlands (but only in SP, otherwise I never hit anything due to lag)
-Serious Sam: The First Encounter
-Portal
-Perfect Cherry Blossom
-Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
-Mirror's Edge

Only one of these is a platformer. Only two have multiplayer, and I don't touch either. Also, a lot of people hate multiplayer, for reasons ranging from "nobody plays in my region, so lag" to "everyone online is a dick". However, you've said that it's a fact that multiplayer is, in every case (save for one genre), unquestionably better than SP. Well, I'm questioning it - for your sake, I hope you have a good answer.

Spoiler: Also: platformers are like sudoku?

Portal, Mirror's Edge, and Arkham Asylum are clearly puzzle platformers.

HL2 has platformer elements.

Look at it this way: do you see people replaying HL2 the same way that they will replay like de_dust in counter strike hundreds of times? No. Because the gun play itself against bots isn't that great. THe story and atmosphere are good, don't get me wrong, but as for an addicting game mechanic they're kind of meh.

 

[NerfedFalcon]

Portal, Mirror's Edge, and Arkham Asylum are clearly puzzle platformers.

HL2 has platformer elements.

Yeah, but they're not the main focus of the game. And I already said Mirror's Edge was a platformer. With everything else, yeah, there is running and jumping, but that's not what you're there for. Portal has puzzles to quantum-tunnel your way through, Arkham Asylum has goons to bash up and Half-Life 2 gives you guns and squishy things.

Look at it this way: do you see people replaying HL2 the same way that they will replay like de_dust in counter strike hundreds of times? No. Because the gun play itself against bots isn't that great. THe story and atmosphere are good, don't get me wrong, but as for an addicting game mechanic they're kind of meh.

And if you frequent servers where there isn't much talking, besides a few maverick tactics you might as well be playing against bots. And you didn't respond to Borderlands, where a lot of the fun is in hoping you'll get an interesting gun once in a while - or at least something you can gib with. That's an addicting game mechanic - actually, anything can become addicting to somebody.

 

[tipp6353]

Basically, if you want good competitive action in

FPS
Strategy
Medieval combat
racing

You're better off with an MP game.

Platformers are the exception because they are essentially puzzle games like Sudoku.

For instance, IMO the combat in dragon age series really pales in comparison to combat in world of warcraft. It isn't even remotely close. WOW is so much better for combat, even if Dragon age allows for more story-telling elements. But where dragon age is better than WOW is in the dialogue choices available, which sort of is a puzzle. That's why I play bioware games on easy

Calling bs on Medieval combat, Mount and Blade Warband has good single player and with mods its even better, case in point the Brytenwalda mod...

 

[80Maxwell08]

Ah troll now I get it. I would report it but with no real way to tell them why I'm reporting they might just blame me and give me a warning.

 

[veloper]

FPS is best when it's the carnage of hordes of baddies against one player. That means you're stuck with SP, because no human will want to play one of the cannon fodder minions.

Turn-based stratey games often take too long to finish for MP. Players drop out before the game is finished. SP is where it's at for civ and moo.

Medieval combat, same as with the FPS: nobody wants to play as one of the lowly footmen against the mounted knight.

So racing. This is one symmetrical competition where an AI can compete adequately. The advantage of an AI here is that it won't start the shenigans that lagging human players will attempt, such as roadblocks to stop the leading racer when they have no hope of winning themselves.