The Past and How It Can Affect Now

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Paragon Fury

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So some of you may know me from some of the threads I've made here about girl issues and other life problems. Well the issue came up again today while I was on a college sponsored trip to the mall get some supplies for my Senior Thesis class.

While there I got into a debate with one of my classmates over the effects one's past can have on them, and particularly in the area of social skills, mainly if they can come naturally or if they must be learned. When the topic got back to me and my lack of social ability and the fact that I've never even been on a date, ever and I came off with the snappy remark of "Yeah, well when you grow up like I did you tend to learn that everyone sucks equally and that tends to impair your ability to relate to other people. Particularly if you are constantly reminded that you don't have anything in common with your peers and do better than them in pretty much everything if you put the slightest bit of effort into it."

At this point I got derided for having my standards too high and trying to buy in too high and that because of that I'm miserable. I replied that I'm not miserable; I just accept the fact that I'm alone and likely will be for the rest of my life. I again retorted that if you grew up like me that you'd have "girl troubles" too.

At this point one of the women who is in our class who had only really been kind of participating in our conversation demanded to know what I was talking about and what could really be so bad about it.

Now I've told the abridged version of my life story more times than I can count. But I decide to ask if they wanted to hear that version or if they wanted to hear the full "Tonight on Dateline" version. They said they wanted the full version.

What follows, for you judgement, opinion on the conversation and what I said earlier is the true story I told them, edited only for some brevity and the slight input I left out or add in for this version.

I'm 21 and a male, just for reference to make the story make sense.

I grew up in a poor family. Not poverty poor, but I've never gone on vacation anywhere ever, I never got a lot of the things my classmates did until about middle school and because of where I lived it was fairly isolated; though I still caught on the major trends - Pokemon knows no geographic or economic boundaries after all. There were exactly two other people my age on the street; my female cousin and my one male friend.

Early school years weren't not good for me. My mother had always been more insistent on learning and reading and so on, and as such I was well ahead of all my classmates pretty much every year. I was already different in that way and added in that I was from the sticks and didn't know about much of the stuff they did, I was none too popular. So even in Pre-school, I was the out kid and was left out of most things. Great start, right?

Well things started to get bad during Kindergarten and Elementary School. It went from being the "out kid" to being "every single kid fucking hates me". I was beat up by EVERYONE; boys, girls, nerds, "smart" kids and dumb kids. I was constantly teased and left out - teachers had to force kids to let me into their groups. I didn't think I did anything deserving of it; I thought I tried to be nice and share, but it didn't seem to work and initially I did get rather....ornery when people made fun of me and tried to fight back and generally didn't help myself at times.

I wound up going through three different elementary schools because of this. One of the nuns at the private school my parents tried selling me to told them something was just "honestly wrong" with men and that maybe God was punishing me or them.

Yeah, thanks God. I feel the love.

So I get to the final elementary school.....maybe 2nd Grade, though I'm still on time with the rest of my peers. By now I've been going through years of this kind of thing; in today's world I'd probably would've been on like 7 different Watch Lists and been sent to counseling a dozen times over. But no, this was an older time and I didn't look disturbed (I honestly wasn't in my own world, but the catch being that was just me) so I just got shuffled in with the rest.

This last school system was great. And by great, I'm mean terrible. I regularly got punished for things that weren't my fault, including getting a detention for ambushed by fucking 3 people and almost breaking my nose. And classes were so pathetic and boring that I regularly got in trouble for being disruptive.

However, about 3rd Grade is when I got my hands on my first video game. I had been playing outside during Summer Break, fell out of tree and broke my collar bone. No summer camp for me. But my parents needed something for me to do other than Lego and Lincoln Logs. So they bought the first game system I'd ever seen. And I god damn loved it. Kid who has his summer ruined damn near gets delivered to Valhalla. Life changing experience you might say.

School continues as was normal (for me). Its about 4th Grade when I get my second gift; the gift of cable TV......and ANIME. If anime was a drug then I straight injected that shit into my fucking veins. I devoured it. Couldn't get enough of it. I practically didn't care who it was for; I watched it all. I saw the episode of NGE where UNIT 01 eats the AT Core out of the Angel when I was in 6th Grade on Toonami. I watched Slayers. Anime was good times; and my love of video games had only grown.

Now, slight pause. You might wondering where my parents are in all this. Well, lets just it wasn't terribly......good. While my mother wasn't abusive or bad per say, she was kind of distant and didn't stop my father. My father's favorite (read: only) form of punishment was either hard chores or beatings; he preferred the latter up until about 6th Grade when he stopped for one reason or another starting to prefer groundings and restrictions instead. My parents also aren't a very good model of a "happy couple" if you catch my drift. (I left the part about my parents out of the story I have them)

And on that happy note I'll give you a moment for a break.


So school continued for me as normal. Still got picked on and beat up on by everyone, including the girls. It came to a head in 5th Grade when I got attacked by a mob of at least 13 kids - I don't exactly recall because I lost track while getting ass beat in. After they had finished the girls came over and made fun of me to, salt-in-wounds and all. When the kids faced little to no punishment for this my parents finally said "Enough" and made plans to send me to private school; after the one friend I had in my next neighbor.

And so off I went to CBA. Not a stay-away school, but I thought that was appropriately dramatic. A Catholic, JROTC (Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps) mandatory school. Being an atheist, the former was not a thrilling prospect; the latter was though. I expected a lot of things to change and be better.

Eh.....a little of good, a little of bad.

No females other than teaching staff. Still got made fun of to no end, though not beaten up because of Dean of Discipline would gone apeshit on anyone who did that.

But the JROTC....oh, the JROTC. I was good at it. Real good. And classes were finally challenging. Not hard, but I actually had a try just a little in some of them (until my Senior year, where I put no effort in and got As and Bs in everything). Suffice to say, it was an improvement, if not the improvement a psychologist would've recommended.

However, what little contact I did have with the opposite gender still didn't go well. I was still made fun of, but now it hurt worse because you know, I was a teenager and I actually understood it now and had feelings that could be hurt by time.

Anime and video games continued to my biggest fun factors and hobbies throughout this time, with a brief sojourn into model building.

By the time I was a Junior things took a turn for the better. For one, people stop picking on me; either out of respect or they just figured it was bad idea to keep picking on the guy who outranked them now. The second was that I finally what was arguably my first non-negative contact with a woman.

She was someone's sister who was a Senior at the all-women version of our school, though they didn't have a JROTC program there. She was smart. Kind. Funny. Liked games enough to know how to play them.

And I'll be damned if I don't say that she didn't look exactly like god damn Tifa Lockhart.


No lie. Apparently completely natural too, though I never bothered to ask. (I kind of figured, since she and her family weren't much better off than mine) If you're thinking I went completely off the deep end when I met her you'd be right......if she hadn't had a boyfriend twice my height who looked like he'd been ripped straight from Chippendale's and had a damn 4.0 GPA and was Captain of every sport invented in this universe and the next including Grifball.

But by my Senior I basically ran the school; never went to any religious functions any more, could basically do what I wanted when I wanted so long as I showed up for tests and such 9though what I wanted to do usually just involved staying in class and talking to teachers) and I was the guy in charge of bailing out the other JROTC leaders when they screwed up as well as being in charge of Freshman Orientation even though I was only a 2nd LT.

Then I graduated and went to the school that founded America's ROTC (Reserve Officer Training Corps) as a civilian to study, of all things, Psychology. Even though now freed from my JROTC and ROTC requirements, I'm still way lower key than practically everyone else on campus; as some of you can attest from my other threads I've made hear I probably have one of the cleanest and most orderly dorm rooms in America.

And so I brought with me my love of anime and video games and all the social stigmas those carry. And my deep dislike of crowded places, loud senseless noise and social situations. In my Senior year, still not a date in sight. The only time I've even come close is again another rare encounter I had; my freshman year here there was another absolutely stunning beauty as a freshman. Imagine a short-haired, older, far less ditzy version of Orihime to get the appropriate idea.


But she left by the second semester. I never got even know her; like I had chance competing against every other male at this school (and at least one woman I think too).

And so that is my story. How a poor country (essentially) boy wound up in the position he is in at a college with a 7:1 male/female ratio with no Anime Club, a Video Game club he isn't allowed to go to anymore (for absolutely dominating a couple of their tournaments) and the inability to get along with most people, much less women.

After I finished no one really said anything other than, "Wow, thats really sad" or "That's terrible". Needless to say, I think I made my point that one's past can really affect how they can work in the future.

Of course I know a few of you are going to ask why I simply don't use my Psychology training on myself. Simple answer; self-diagnosis tends not to work too well. As for therapy, I have gone before. It didn't work too well, and this year the therapist is what I'd call "nuts" as he believes that everything in life somehow relates to death even though I've heard his presentation and the guy that inspired him and don't believe a word of it at all.

So what say you Escapist?
 

Chased

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I just saw a video today in my TV History class about how a group of migrant workers lived in wooden shacks and only made $1 a day farming beans and cabbage in Florida. 21 of them died in a truck accident while being transported to another farm.
 

RaphaelsRedemption

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I... wish I had something constructive to say. That's a hell of a post.

Look, in the end, I found the only way I could deal with my life was to take responsibility for it myself. That means I don't allow my past to dictate who I am. Sure, I may be an uneducated, unsocialised, awkward woman from a low-income family, but I choose to be more than that. It happened, sure, but I work around it, and I don't let it become an excuse for feeling sorry for myself.

You sound so sorry for yourself. While I understand your life has been hard, I don't think that it automatically dictates who you'll become. But having a shitty attitude will certainly reduce your chances of success and happiness.

Look, if your past absolutely affects your future, then Ghandi, Nelson Mandela and many, many other great people would never have succeeded. I think your argument is flawed, and your attitude unhelpful (to say the least!). I found my life became a heap better when I learnt coping skills through seeking help in the form of professional counselling. Maybe the same could go for you.

Best of luck, anyways.
 

biofiend

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I'm trying to figure out a way implying that you are a massive **** without getting in too much trouble. Oh well. Guess I'm just not smart enough. You probably are though.
 

LiberalSquirrel

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Well, sir, as a member of the "most people, much less women" demographic, I must say...

Of course someone's past can affect how they act in the future. What do these people think of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder? Because honestly, that's the simplest and hardest-to-deny case of "past affecting future" that I can come up with.

And yes, that past of yours is rather terrible. However... there's no reason you should decide that you'll be forever alone. I'm a twenty-one year old gal who likes anime and video games. I haven't really had any serious relationships and am rather skeptical of them. And I'm pretty cynical in general. I've been told I'm "emotionless," "too logical," and the like. Doesn't mean that I've decided that I'm going to be alone for the rest of my life. I've always rolled with life's punches. Resigning myself to something I think is going to happen only guarantees that it will happen.

I think finding a therapist (that is actually sane) may do you some good. If that is not an option, though (as your post seems to imply), I will simply wish you the best of luck with your life.
 

Berethond

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You pushed yourself to the outside.

The only common link in all of your bad experiences is you.

It sounds like you're not necessarily happy with your life, and if that's right, then you need to start to change. Practice talking to people more. Little interactions go a long way towards helping one learn social skills.
 

Jadak

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biofiend said:
I'm trying to figure out a way implying that you are a massive **** without getting in too much trouble. Oh well. Guess I'm just not smart enough. You probably are though.
Pretty much what I was going for as well, although I probably would have just settled on not posting. Good on you for being upfront about it anyways :p
 

Thaluikhain

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Of course a persons upbringing can affect how they are in later life. That's sorta obvious.
 

McMullen

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You seem to lack some perspective.

I would suggest rethinking your basic worldview. Life is going to be incredibly hard for you if you go forward with the one you've got.

For starters, I recommend you think hard about the phrase, "the world doesn't owe us anything". This is not a bad thing. It's simply what we have to accept before actually accomplishing anything.
 

Steppin Razor

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Umm.... it's a pretty fucking scary thought that someone who thinks the past can't have much effect on your social skills is thinking of becoming a psychologist. As for you, resigning yourself to being forever alone is not the way to go. Sure, it makes life easier if you just throw everything off as "it just isn't meant for me", but it won't make you happy. You'll just wind up a bitter old man, bitching and moaning about how no one understands you.

Instead of focussing on your lack of dating experience, you should instead look at what you currently have and work on just being friends with people. Go to the movies or a bar with a few people and just hang out. Do something, anything, with a small group to build up your social skills and friendships. And drop the attitude. What attitude you may be asking? Well, you mentioned you got kicked out of the video game club for dominating them in a tournament? Your wording makes you sound like a smug asshat about it. It wasn't that you were better than them, it's because you dominated them that they booted you out. People don't like losing. They don't like losing by a lot. And they certainly don't like losing by a lot to somebody that talks about it like a smug asshole. If you do wind up playing games with people again, don't be super competitive about it and play to win at all costs. They're just games made for fun, so sit back and relax while playing. If you're so much better than the other players, throw the game a little. Don't make it obvious, but just make little mistakes that make the game not be a one-sided slaughter. Hell, try out things just for fun, even if they sabotage any attempt you had at victory. Because that's what games are for - fun. And whilst some people can only seem to have fun by winning, everybody else hates that guy and won't want to play games with them ever again.

As for seeing a therapist or psychiatrist, it's recommended. If the one on your uni is truly so bad, though, you might want to think about seeing one off campus if possible.
 

Paragon Fury

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If I made it sound that way, it wasn't my intention. But I've tried throwing games and placing self-restrictions too (IE: Only using Dual M1911s in Black Ops etc.) and I still win or come so close to winning that I might as well have won.

I don't even talk usually when I play games, before, during or after.

As for biofiend, yes I'm sure somehow I'm the **** for some reason I guess somehow. Care to enlighten me?
 

Paragon Fury

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Berethond said:
You pushed yourself to the outside.

The only common link in all of your bad experiences is you.

It sounds like you're not necessarily happy with your life, and if that's right, then you need to start to change. Practice talking to people more. Little interactions go a long way towards helping one learn social skills.
How did I push myself to the outside?

I was the one being made fun of and beaten up, not the other way around.
 

Cowabungaa

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In your story and other posts in this thread I see quite a few signs of Asperger's Syndrome popping up. Big ones too, not just a few quirks. Now that would explain a lot of your troubles, and especially answer that childhood question on why you were picked on while you didn't do anything wrong. It's all there; your gaming attitude, your lack of social skills, your inherent dislike of 'loud senseless noise', your dislike of large crowds, not being challenged enough at regular school, etc etc. You also said you felt better in that JROTC program, am I correct in the assumption that, as it sounds military-based, that is was pretty structured?

I'm asking because if I'm right it can really help you learn to live with it, mainly because you finally, concretely know what you need to live with. From that moment on it's a lot easier to figure out what you need to do to live with the limits you have. So I wonder, have you ever been thoroughly examined on that? If not, I would visit a professional therapist and get that checked out. Because if it turns out to be Asperger's, well, knowing is half the battle.

Also, while I read this this song came on by accident:
*sniff*
 

RejectWoW

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I didnt really get the point of your post, sorry, but I agree that the past DOES affect the present. :p

Except only if you choose to let it. Ive gone through the same that you have, very cool to find someone else with the same experience, and I understand where you're coming from. (Apart from your bad luck with that many people, which Im really sorry for.)

The only way to move forward is to embrace your past, which it seems to me that you have already have (or maybe not?) and only carry it with you to everyone else if you want to. :)

Maybe start looking for friends in the young adults age group (20-25). They wont pick on you or start a fight, why would they? (Unless theyre assholes, and then theyre vastly outnumbered by friendly guys.) ;)

I cant really think of any kind of good advice that you dont already know (if thats what youre looking for) "treat others like you want to be treated" and such and such, except keep doing what makes you happy and if you arent happy, find something else that does. If that involves another person, of any gender, just keep trying. Its not over until you give up. (Okay thats some bad advice you probably already know, but its one of the ways I live my life.) :)

In short, if you want to find a girl, keep trying. Love happens aslong as you dont give up on it. If you dont want your past to be in your present, embrace it, wear it proudly or let it go (Im guessing youve already done this though, as I said before.) If you hit another brick-wall, find a way past it (or not) and laugh a little, just because. ;)

(Try looking at the stars and feel insignificant, perspective solves problems. And laughing)

Be yourself if you want to and dont forget to keep being the awesome guy are. (To me you sound pretty damn amazing!)

:)

EDIT: Oh yeah, and that Aspergers thing to, do that. :) Your problems might be solved by a pill. :p
 

Captain_Fantastic

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yeah that sounds alot like my early life in highschool, exept i never changed schools and i ended up graduating with a celebrity like status, being known for just how damn hillarious i can be.

still havent had a girlfriend to this day because in a small town, After a certain point, you've gone through all the ones with any mutual attraction, and you're left with people who you're either incompatible with, or who you've known for so long (like, since kindergarten) that it's just not going to happen

and my parents had me tested for the aspergers however that works but the result was a big NO and i guess i was just an awkward kid with a crappy childhood, im still not happy about the lack of a girlfriend and all that fazazz, but hey now im the guy everybody cheers for when i (rarely) show up to parties
 

Paragon Fury

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As far as the Asperger's line is concerned, I highly doubt it. Though I don't have a copy of the DSM IV on me and this puts one foot firmly in the "self-diagnosis" waters, I lack at least two of the defining symptoms: a narrow, defined focus on only one area of interest and an inability to understand humor and other forms of non-literal speech.

Video games and anime may be the two main areas I like and focus on, they're far from my only area of interest and I don't have the extreme fixation on them that you would find in Asperger's. I won't go nuts just because I get denied either of them for extended period of time.

And though the only form of non-literal speech I tend to use is sarcasm, I fully understand humor and other non-literal speech.