The point of Avatar, why empathy is important and why humans are like cancer
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QFT.Rahnzan said:
seriously, what the hell is wrong with us that this is the case?
But it's worse than that. More like:
STATISTIC
"23 die in train derailment"
PETA MOVEMENT:
"We should rename fish "sea kittens""
first of all; there is a limit to how much you can/should love nature and OP you've gone past it.
but on another note, there is definitely something we can learn from that movie. it's not that we have to love and protect every single tree ever created. it's that we should in fact be a bit more aware of the damage we are doing to our planet, to the animals on it, and to ourselves. and to say we are a cancer... well i somewhat agree. we are slowly killing ourselves and everything around us; much like a disease. just because someone says don't cut down all the trees, kill all the animals, and spray poisonous fumes into the air you breath doesn't mean they're a hippie tree hugger. it means they have sense enough to know their actions have effects on the world around them. you could learn a bit from them.
but on another note, there is definitely something we can learn from that movie. it's not that we have to love and protect every single tree ever created. it's that we should in fact be a bit more aware of the damage we are doing to our planet, to the animals on it, and to ourselves. and to say we are a cancer... well i somewhat agree. we are slowly killing ourselves and everything around us; much like a disease. just because someone says don't cut down all the trees, kill all the animals, and spray poisonous fumes into the air you breath doesn't mean they're a hippie tree hugger. it means they have sense enough to know their actions have effects on the world around them. you could learn a bit from them.
That's a very good point.LockeDown said:
Wait a sec... you think it's ok to chop down trees? I certainly hope you're joking/ being sarcastic?Internet Kraken said:
Reported. I find it offensive that just because people like you don't have any respect for the environment, you feel the need to demean those who do.danpascooch said:
rock on, minority guy with pubescball11 said:
I am so sick of asshole people like this generalizing an entire user base based on age or sexual orientation that they know nothing about.
I hope you're the minority, because I hope there isn't a majority of generalizing physically speculating narcissistic assholes on this website.
You say that "the escapist users" like to think they are better than others, then say that you are the "better minority" do you even realize how stupidly hippocritical that sounds?
Honest opinion my ass, unless you have asked enough people and got enough answers about peoples pubic hairs and age to conclusively state that the majority are 14, you are an idiot and an arrogant ass (also, random out of nowhere talk about pubic hairs suggests that you are quite unstable)
Why does everyone assume that anything corporate is big and scary and faceless and will rape the environment and not buy it breakfast the next morning? Definitely not all corporations are like that.SnipErlite said:Even though a big faceless bastard corporation would probably get in charge of the extraction process?Internet Kraken said:If we found a planet full of resources, we would utilize it. No point in letting those resources go to waste. However, that's not a bad thing. And I guarantee we would make attempts to renew all possible resources.SnipErlite said:Just, say we found a new planet rich with resources, it would not surprise me if we went in, took everything useful (thereby draining it) and left.
But maybe I'm just a massive cynic
Yeah, too bad they had him voice such a douchebag hippie killing villain (hippie killing doesn't make you a villain, it makes you a hero)Pyode said:
i'm still eating pork. but i agree with your points completely.
but.. bringing this up on the escapist forums? bunch of sour guys that will report/bann/probate ya just cuz you thought you were making a point. x(
which is to say... go to your usual forums where there might be an actual response instead of random flaming xD
but.. bringing this up on the escapist forums? bunch of sour guys that will report/bann/probate ya just cuz you thought you were making a point. x(
which is to say... go to your usual forums where there might be an actual response instead of random flaming xD
I saw Avatar and I liked it to spite usually hating these fern-gully type stories mostly because it was told so well and was not preachy, or at least not preachy in the bad way. Ultimately, James Cameron is a fucking good director and wish he had made more films in the past 12 years.
Props to Stephen Lang who played the villain Colonel Miles Quaritch, this wasn't a particularly deep or moralistic film and was mostly driven forward by the characters and performances so even if you are a tree chopping republican I think you could definitely like this film. It didn't really try to "Demon-ise" the humans but rather set them up as a the bad-guys you equally like yet side against. I hope we see more of Colonel Quartich in prequels or maybe a Captain price style return as I hold him up there with Darth Vader as ice-cold villains you love to hate and hate to love.
Actually, Cameron did this before with Schwarzenegger as The Terminator, he was the bad guy but was so damn he brought him back as the hero... in a way, hope he comes back as an anti-hero.
Also Sam Worthington is looking to be a great new action star and he just has the mannerisms that make him perfect for the job. Hope to see more of him, I'm going to call him the new Michael Biehn.
But I didn't like the 3D, especially in the Live-action scenes were it just didn't work for way too many times, it looked like I was looking at a scene of cardboard cut-outs, yes the scene had depth but each character on screen looked flat... too flat even. At some points the effects got so annoying and stuttering I'd have to close one eye to remove the 3D effect which instantly turned it back to smooth 2D.
the Fully CGI scenes did not have any disconcerting effects... but then I hardly even noticed it which made me wonder if it was worth it. Overall with 3D I just couldn't focus on anything and I think the film was worse off for that, I will not pay to see any more 3D movies and if 3D becomes standard then I will invest in what are called "2D-ising glasses" which "decode" both left and right eyes identically so you only see one field = 2D.
Overall I found the Live-action scenes the biggest let down, the CGI was just SO GOOD it was better than photo-realistic, as they could craft each scene so perfectly while live-action you're stuck with what you've got in terms of actors/sets.
So finally, if any "tree-haters" who might not want to see this movie because they are worried they will be preached to... don't worry.
I mean The Terminator hasn't made anyone a luddite about technology or robots, in many ways Cameron approaches Avatar it in the same way and just uses the premise as a framing device for a bloody good movie regardless of ideologies. I mean Kyle Rhys goes on about "the machines!" just like the Navi go on about "the corporations" and we all go along with it but at the end of the day we all use the internet and buy branded products built in third world countries.
Props to Stephen Lang who played the villain Colonel Miles Quaritch, this wasn't a particularly deep or moralistic film and was mostly driven forward by the characters and performances so even if you are a tree chopping republican I think you could definitely like this film. It didn't really try to "Demon-ise" the humans but rather set them up as a the bad-guys you equally like yet side against. I hope we see more of Colonel Quartich in prequels or maybe a Captain price style return as I hold him up there with Darth Vader as ice-cold villains you love to hate and hate to love.
Actually, Cameron did this before with Schwarzenegger as The Terminator, he was the bad guy but was so damn he brought him back as the hero... in a way, hope he comes back as an anti-hero.
Also Sam Worthington is looking to be a great new action star and he just has the mannerisms that make him perfect for the job. Hope to see more of him, I'm going to call him the new Michael Biehn.
But I didn't like the 3D, especially in the Live-action scenes were it just didn't work for way too many times, it looked like I was looking at a scene of cardboard cut-outs, yes the scene had depth but each character on screen looked flat... too flat even. At some points the effects got so annoying and stuttering I'd have to close one eye to remove the 3D effect which instantly turned it back to smooth 2D.
the Fully CGI scenes did not have any disconcerting effects... but then I hardly even noticed it which made me wonder if it was worth it. Overall with 3D I just couldn't focus on anything and I think the film was worse off for that, I will not pay to see any more 3D movies and if 3D becomes standard then I will invest in what are called "2D-ising glasses" which "decode" both left and right eyes identically so you only see one field = 2D.
Overall I found the Live-action scenes the biggest let down, the CGI was just SO GOOD it was better than photo-realistic, as they could craft each scene so perfectly while live-action you're stuck with what you've got in terms of actors/sets.
So finally, if any "tree-haters" who might not want to see this movie because they are worried they will be preached to... don't worry.
I mean The Terminator hasn't made anyone a luddite about technology or robots, in many ways Cameron approaches Avatar it in the same way and just uses the premise as a framing device for a bloody good movie regardless of ideologies. I mean Kyle Rhys goes on about "the machines!" just like the Navi go on about "the corporations" and we all go along with it but at the end of the day we all use the internet and buy branded products built in third world countries.
I'M LIKE THAt >danpascooch said:Why does everyone assume that anything corporate is big and scary and faceless and will rape the environment and not buy it breakfast the next morning? Definitely not all corporations are like that.SnipErlite said:Even though a big faceless bastard corporation would probably get in charge of the extraction process?Internet Kraken said:If we found a planet full of resources, we would utilize it. No point in letting those resources go to waste. However, that's not a bad thing. And I guarantee we would make attempts to renew all possible resources.SnipErlite said:Just, say we found a new planet rich with resources, it would not surprise me if we went in, took everything useful (thereby draining it) and left.
But maybe I'm just a massive cynic
and i think it has in part to do with the industrial evolution when corporations were exactly like that.
1. Trees feel pain. But so does lettuce. And tomatoes. And yams, potatoes, corn, broccoli...moe19911 said:
2. And so do cows, pigs, horses, chickens, turkeys, and fish.
So again I ask the question: what the hell are you people eating? An IV-drip?
And if you use any tree products then it must not be that wrong. I guess it's just wrong in theory and not in practice.
I know, ferngully was so unimaginative. The only thing worse than that is the constant liberal bias 'guilt trip' they try to barrage on us from day one for abusing native americans. I mean, come on! Most of the native americans I know are living pretty well off because of their casinos. Statistics are a *****, especially if you are only selectively showing what you want your point to be. You can spout all you want about how european diseases ravaged native populations, but if you neglect to say how early settlers were dying in the new world faster than they could send ships for many years, you fail. People like to lay the blame on europeans for bringing disease to america, but by that logic we should blame the chinese for bringing the black plague to europe. The past is history people. Get over it and look to the future.danpascooch said:
Humans are far from being a cancer.
I did like that you looked more into the movie than at a face value though. But Humans are far from lacking empathy, at least not as much as you try to convey. The beauty in Humans is that each person is an individual and not so much like cancerous cells of a tissue. Each of us has our own decisions to make, our own views and our own empathy or lack of such.
It's hard to group humans together in something so general like empathy though. And I disagree with you on that note
I did like that you looked more into the movie than at a face value though. But Humans are far from lacking empathy, at least not as much as you try to convey. The beauty in Humans is that each person is an individual and not so much like cancerous cells of a tissue. Each of us has our own decisions to make, our own views and our own empathy or lack of such.
It's hard to group humans together in something so general like empathy though. And I disagree with you on that note