The Power of a Samurai Sword

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zen5887

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I could do the same thing with a sharp knife from my kitchen. What did you expect? Cheese isn't really known for its uncutability.

Also - Are some people really pointing out the'lack of form' of a drunk kid who got a sword for fun? Really?

And yes, we all know how over rated Katanas are in popular media.
 

Hurr Durr Derp

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That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Bastard Sword" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.

Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.

Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.

Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:

(One-Handed Exotic Weapon)

1d12 Damage
19-20 x4 Crit
+2 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork

(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon)

2d10 Damage
17-20 x4 Crit
+5 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork

Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don't you think?



I know, I know! I just couldn't not post this. :p
 

Abedeus

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Nigh Invulnerable said:
Toaster Hunter said:
Not to criticize, but his form is terrible. Make contact lower down the blade and pull through rather than chop straight down. Remember: Slice not chop. Also, what kind of cheese was it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1x3UJio90U&feature=related
Exactly what I was going to say. Plus, is the sword even sharp? I mean "combat ready" sharp.
Yeah, that's a big question mark. I have a katana, and it's not sharpened. I could get it to a guy to make it sharp, but people are not allowed to buy deadly (as in - sharp edges) weapons or sell them without a license. Buy dull weapons? Sure, no problem.

Plus, get a haircut. And don't use a SLASHING weapon as a cleaver or an axe.
 

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You should have used a pig corpse that's what I heard folks use to measure the strength of a samurai sword.
 

Earthmonger

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The blade looks unusually thick. Ah well, a good use for gov'ment cheese. Make sure you properly clean the blade or that cheese will stain it.
 

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This is similar to something we did, except we used coconuts and broadswords.

This involved throwing the coconuts in the air and slicing them cleanly in half with bastard swords and broadswords, then eating the remains.

Sadly no vid.
 

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Oh yeah, a katana is probably one of the finest enginered bladed weapons ever created. Ore was a rare comodity in Japan so they designed them so that their edges would stay preserved almost indeffinately. It's not just sharpened piece of metal, it's actually crafted, as in the very shape of the blade is designed to always be sharp (if that makes sense). It also is a very smooth edge and has little or no drag while it's slicing.

Thank you Mythbusters and Modern Marvels. Both those shows had specials about the katana.
 

The Heik

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Zepren said:
A friend of mine got a proper samurai sword the other day and we decided to test it out. Here's a nice wee vid.


And i was suprised at the damage it did. It still did you know decent damage but i was expecting you know instant destruction is one slice. Was I a fool? Is it the sword? (theres info about the sword in the link)? Or what? Is cheese not a fair test? Am i right to be confused?
yea nice vid, but this dude ain't no samurai. While yes the katana is one of the finest blades ever made, its not going to cut through even a block of cheese if the swinger has no clue whagt he's doing. I've seen a trained samurai(modern of course) cut through two-and-a-half pigs like they were rice paper, while this dude just swung the thing like it was a club.

BTW funny that the kid warned that untrained people should not be swinging this around just after HE DID THE SAME FREAKING THING!!
 

Artinam

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You can't cut metal with the same metal, if you could demonstrate evidence this is possible.
Cutting slabs of steel seems bit much.

A Katana is just a sword, not superior or inferior to a generic European version (Which kept evolving metallurgy and technique wise trough centuries of war).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLWzH_1eZsc
This guy seemed a bit more spot on his katana knowledge
 

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hURR dURR dERP said:
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Bastard Sword" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.
If by slab you are referring to a VERY small piece of steel, then yes. Given the simple fact your sword is MADE of steel, even incredible crafstmanship and top notch swordsmanship won't let you cut through something that would literally be called a slab (like, for example, a bar measuring 3" x 3" x 12 ").

hURR dURR dERP said:
Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.
The blade itself can be well crafted and they certainly took ages to forge. Most of this however was due to the fantastically shitty quality of japanese iron available however. Yes, a Katana is an excellent weapon but it was also a product of a particular place and time. Eurpoeans produced plenty of swords of equal quality that were particular products of their time and place as well.

hURR dURR dERP said:
Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.
And I am quite certain you are mistaken. To compare a weapon designed to combat a much lighter form of armor that came into it's modern incranation hundreds of years after the end of the era of the Knight is utterly silly. Sharpness of edge and whatnot is important, but when dealing with a man in a metal suit you would quickly find that cutting THROUGH the armor simply wasn't going to work. Thus why the Europeans utalized weapons like bill hooks, flanged maces, and pole-arms to do the job. Where an edge won't do the job, a sudden point or overwhelming impact forces will.

hURR dURR dERP said:
Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.
That and it was really far away without any real resources worth exploiting. Also, during the Medieval period, European nations were more concerned with fighting one another and retaking the Holy Lands. As such, the REAL reason they weren't trying to conquer japan is because it had nothing to offer that made the effort worthwhile.

hURR dURR dERP said:
So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:

(One-Handed Exotic Weapon)

1d12 Damage
19-20 x4 Crit
+2 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork

(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon)

2d10 Damage
17-20 x4 Crit
+5 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork

Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don't you think?
Not only do you lose all credibility by citing D&D when referring to a real world weapon but you simply don't seem to understand the concept of balance.
 

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Marq said:
Katanas are very over-rated. Sure, folding steel 1000 times allows it to be incredibly sharp, but incredibly brittle. They're only effective against flesh.

Considering the effort of making one, it's embarrassing that they snap like toys against another sword.
No..?

Folding has nothing to do with how sharp the blade is. Folding is a blacksmithing technique used to evenly distribute the impurities in the terrible (not rare, just terrible) ore they had to work with so that the sword wouldn't suck as much. This would make the sword less brittle not more. God man..
 

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Smokescreen said:
coxafloppin said:
So basically you cut cheese with a sword.
You say it like there's something wrong with that.

Next up, I expect to see Cheese vs Chainsaw. Let's go, internet, make this happen!
I second this!
 

Hurr Durr Derp

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Eclectic Dreck said:
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hURR dURR dERP said:
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Bastard Sword" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.
If by slab you are referring to a VERY small piece of steel, then yes. Given the simple fact your sword is MADE of steel, even incredible crafstmanship and top notch swordsmanship won't let you cut through something that would literally be called a slab (like, for example, a bar measuring 3" x 3" x 12 ").

hURR dURR dERP said:
Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.
The blade itself can be well crafted and they certainly took ages to forge. Most of this however was due to the fantastically shitty quality of japanese iron available however. Yes, a Katana is an excellent weapon but it was also a product of a particular place and time. Eurpoeans produced plenty of swords of equal quality that were particular products of their time and place as well.

hURR dURR dERP said:
Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.
And I am quite certain you are mistaken. To compare a weapon designed to combat a much lighter form of armor that came into it's modern incranation hundreds of years after the end of the era of the Knight is utterly silly. Sharpness of edge and whatnot is important, but when dealing with a man in a metal suit you would quickly find that cutting THROUGH the armor simply wasn't going to work. Thus why the Europeans utalized weapons like bill hooks, flanged maces, and pole-arms to do the job. Where an edge won't do the job, a sudden point or overwhelming impact forces will.

hURR dURR dERP said:
Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.
That and it was really far away without any real resources worth exploiting. Also, during the Medieval period, European nations were more concerned with fighting one another and retaking the Holy Lands. As such, the REAL reason they weren't trying to conquer japan is because it had nothing to offer that made the effort worthwhile.

hURR dURR dERP said:
So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:

(One-Handed Exotic Weapon)

1d12 Damage
19-20 x4 Crit
+2 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork

(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon)

2d10 Damage
17-20 x4 Crit
+5 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork

Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don't you think?
Not only do you lose all credibility by citing D&D when referring to a real world weapon but you simply don't seem to understand the concept of balance.
And today's "misses the joke entirely" award goes to...

Eclectic Dreck!


You also missed the fact that the height of the Japanese feudal 'samurai period' didn't happen until the middle ages in Europe were over, and that WW2 soldiers shot katana-carrying men first not because they were afraid of katanas, but because only officers carried katanas. But nice try anyway. :p
 

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Rahnzan said:
Marq said:
Katanas are very over-rated. Sure, folding steel 1000 times allows it to be incredibly sharp, but incredibly brittle. They're only effective against flesh.

Considering the effort of making one, it's embarrassing that they snap like toys against another sword.
No..?

Folding has nothing to do with how sharp the blade is. Folding is a blacksmithing technique used to evenly distribute the impurities in the terrible (not rare, just terrible) ore they had to work with so that the sword wouldn't suck as much. This would make the sword less brittle not more. God man..
While this is essentially true, it's only good if you fold it relatively few times. If you fold it thousands of times like some people claim, the constant heating and cooling required would indeed make the steel incredibly brittle and unfit for combat.

Wait. Scratch that, reverse it.

Excessive folding of the blade doesn't actually make it more brittle, it makes it softer. Still, the result is a blade not fit for combat, just because it it too soft and unable to hold an edge, not because it gets too brittle like I first claimed. Don't know why I said that... brain fart I guess.

No katana is ever folded more than 10-15 times, but since you double the number of layers with each fold you still end up with thousands of layers (which is exactly the point, of course).
 

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Ganthrinor said:
It was common practice in fuedal japan to test the strength of a new-forged blade on prisoners. For example, a two-body blade was one that would kill two people in a single swing. Sword-through-both-bodies-like-a-hot-knife-through-butter stories persist, but until I'm allowed to test it myself, I remain dubious about that particular bit.
The stories of these tests also say of a man who got a full pardon because the samurai who had just received his new ssword was too tired to finish testing it properly.

Sword vs cheese. No contest.