The problem with judging another's intelligence on simply one thing.

[artanis_neravar]

Dude, add some archers to that wall and maybe a few attack dogs and you are all set for the oncoming alien invasion.


On topic... Yes, it is ignorant to judge intelligence based off one aspect. But this is how people are raised. I've been called stupid for my grades before, but how can they call me stupid when...

1. I was barley ever in class
2. When I was in class, i was... intoxicated
3. When I was in class and sober i just zoned out

There are other issues behind that, and none of them have to do with my lack of intelligence. Intelligence is a very vauge term. Judge people by what they are good at, and the world is a much brighter place.

I would argue that your three points are acts of stupidity, not saying that you, yourself are stupid, but you made stupid choices[footnote]In my opinion[/footnote]

 

[artanis_neravar]

Dude, add some archers to that wall and maybe a few attack dogs and you are all set for the oncoming alien invasion.


On topic... Yes, it is ignorant to judge intelligence based off one aspect. But this is how people are raised. I've been called stupid for my grades before, but how can they call me stupid when...

1. I was barley ever in class
2. When I was in class, i was... intoxicated
3. When I was in class and sober i just zoned out

There are other issues behind that, and none of them have to do with my lack of intelligence. Intelligence is a very vauge term. Judge people by what they are good at, and the world is a much brighter place.

I would argue that your three points are acts of stupidity, not saying that you, yourself are stupid, but you made stupid choices[footnote]In my opinion[/footnote]

Really? Because with no backround knowlege of me and what I've been through and what I'm going through, surley you can STILL make an accurate judgment. Everybody has their ups and downs. And not everybody has the same problems or deals with it the same way. At that point I did not care about my future, does that make my descision stupid? Are people who are depressed acting stupidly? Is the girl who got raped and now cuts herself making a stupid descision? Everybody has diffrent methods of coping. Until you know the full story, do not even fucking attempt to judge.

Yes it is still a stupid choice, and yes the girl who just got raped and is cutting herself made a stupid decision, the reasoning doesn't matter it was still a stupid decision. Not caring about your future does not make your choices any less stupid. And here's a tip, if you don't want to be judged, don't come on the internet.

 

[SoopaSte123]

Dude, add some archers to that wall and maybe a few attack dogs and you are all set for the oncoming alien invasion.


On topic... Yes, it is ignorant to judge intelligence based off one aspect. But this is how people are raised. I've been called stupid for my grades before, but how can they call me stupid when...

1. I was barley ever in class
2. When I was in class, i was... intoxicated
3. When I was in class and sober i just zoned out

There are other issues behind that, and none of them have to do with my lack of intelligence. Intelligence is a very vauge term. Judge people by what they are good at, and the world is a much brighter place.

I would argue that your three points are acts of stupidity, not saying that you, yourself are stupid, but you made stupid choices

Yep, stupid is as stupid does, as they say.

OT: There are many areas of intelligence: critical thinking and reasoning, memory, amount of education, etc. When people call other people stupid, they could be referring to any number of those things. In the case of the facebook math question poll, the people who answered zero were called stupid for a lack of knowledge, either from a lack of education or a lack of memory (most likely the latter).

If people are judging all areas on intelligence based off of one area, then yes, that is very flawed. But if they are just complaining about one of the areas and are getting frustrated from that, then you're over reacting, OP. It's a case by case basis, I suppose.

Now the thing is, usually (not always, but usually) if a person is an intelligent individual, they will do well across the spectrum, be it math, grammar, science, etc., and if a person is unintelligent they will do poorly across the spectrum. If individuals fail to follow basic rules to the point that it looks like they don't understand them, that indeed makes them look stupid.

Correcting someone for incorrect grammar is perfectly fine, just as it is fixing someone's mathematical mistakes. If being super picky, however, ("You didn't use an apostrophe on its!" or "you were off by 1 significant digit! It's 1.0, not 1!") THEN I sympathize with you.

 

[artanis_neravar]

Dude, add some archers to that wall and maybe a few attack dogs and you are all set for the oncoming alien invasion.


On topic... Yes, it is ignorant to judge intelligence based off one aspect. But this is how people are raised. I've been called stupid for my grades before, but how can they call me stupid when...

1. I was barley ever in class
2. When I was in class, i was... intoxicated
3. When I was in class and sober i just zoned out

There are other issues behind that, and none of them have to do with my lack of intelligence. Intelligence is a very vauge term. Judge people by what they are good at, and the world is a much brighter place.

I would argue that your three points are acts of stupidity, not saying that you, yourself are stupid, but you made stupid choices

Yep, stupid is as stupid does, as they say.

OT: There are many areas of intelligence: critical thinking and reasoning, memory, amount of education, etc. When people call other people stupid, they could be referring to any number of those things. In the case of the facebook math question poll, the people who answered zero were called stupid for a lack of knowledge, either from a lack of education or a lack of memory (most likely the latter).

If people are judging all areas on intelligence based off of one area, then yes, that is very flawed. But if they are just complaining about one of the areas and are getting frustrated from that, then you're over reacting, OP. It's a case by case basis, I suppose.

Now the thing is, usually (not always, but usually) if a person is an intelligent individual, they will do well across the spectrum, be it math, grammar, science, etc., and if a person is unintelligent they will do poorly across the spectrum. If individuals fail to follow basic rules to the point that it looks like they don't understand them, that indeed makes them look stupid.

Correcting someone for incorrect grammar is perfectly fine, just as it is fixing someone's mathematical mistakes. If being super picky, however, ("You didn't use an apostrophe on its!" or "you were off by 1 significant digit! It's 1.0, not 1!") THEN I sympathize with you.

Not sure if you were mocking me or agreeing with me at the beginning but either way, I agree with the rest of your points. I excel at Math and Science as well as history, I am terrible when it comes to spelling and grammar, but I am great at reading comprehension and technical writing. That being said I do tend to correct other peoples grammar (mostly because I would want people to correct mine) and "its" and "it's" are one of those things I correct because they have different meanings, but I don't give people a hard time about Sig Figs

 

[artanis_neravar]

Dude, add some archers to that wall and maybe a few attack dogs and you are all set for the oncoming alien invasion.


On topic... Yes, it is ignorant to judge intelligence based off one aspect. But this is how people are raised. I've been called stupid for my grades before, but how can they call me stupid when...

1. I was barley ever in class
2. When I was in class, i was... intoxicated
3. When I was in class and sober i just zoned out

There are other issues behind that, and none of them have to do with my lack of intelligence. Intelligence is a very vauge term. Judge people by what they are good at, and the world is a much brighter place.

I would argue that your three points are acts of stupidity, not saying that you, yourself are stupid, but you made stupid choices[footnote]In my opinion[/footnote]

Really? Because with no backround knowlege of me and what I've been through and what I'm going through, surley you can STILL make an accurate judgment. Everybody has their ups and downs. And not everybody has the same problems or deals with it the same way. At that point I did not care about my future, does that make my descision stupid? Are people who are depressed acting stupidly? Is the girl who got raped and now cuts herself making a stupid descision? Everybody has diffrent methods of coping. Until you know the full story, do not even fucking attempt to judge.

Yes it is still a stupid choice, and yes the girl who just got raped and is cutting herself made a stupid decision, the reasoning doesn't matter it was still a stupid decision. Not caring about your future does not make your choices any less stupid. And here's a tip, if you don't want to be judged, don't come on the internet.

It's obvious you have had an easy life. The world is not black and white, reasons do fucking matter. I wasnt trying to get judged, you just had to stick your opinion in there for some reason. If I want help, I go to bluelight. People there have been through shit and it's honestly the only place where I want to get help. You are just fucking ignorant. Dont even fucking reply to this. Im tired of your ass.

No reasons don't change whether an act was stupid, acts in themselves are stupid. Also there is such a thing as freedom of speech it gives me the freedom to say what I want where I want and when I want. This is one of those times. No I haven't had a tough life but that doesn't mean I am incapable of determining whether choices are stupid ones or not. I never said you came here to be judged I said that if you are going to get so offended at being judged them don't come on to the internet. People are going to judge you, deal with it or get off the internet.

 

[Racecar1994]

OT: There are many areas of intelligence: critical thinking and reasoning, memory, amount of education, etc. When people call other people stupid, they could be referring to any number of those things. In the case of the facebook math question poll, the people who answered zero were called stupid for a lack of knowledge, either from a lack of education or a lack of memory (most likely the latter).

If people are judging all areas on intelligence based off of one area, then yes, that is very flawed. But if they are just complaining about one of the areas and are getting frustrated from that, then you're over reacting, OP. It's a case by case basis, I suppose.

Now the thing is, usually (not always, but usually) if a person is an intelligent individual, they will do well across the spectrum, be it math, grammar, science, etc., and if a person is unintelligent they will do poorly across the spectrum. If individuals fail to follow basic rules to the point that it looks like they don't understand them, that indeed makes them look stupid.

Correcting someone for incorrect grammar is perfectly fine, just as it is fixing someone's mathematical mistakes. If being super picky, however, ("You didn't use an apostrophe on its!" or "you were off by 1 significant digit! It's 1.0, not 1!") THEN I sympathize with you.

I think we are not entirely opposed in our views. Firstly, that intelligence is more expansive than we usually say it is, and that most people would refer to a lack of knowledge in a certain area as the person 'not being good at [x] subject'. However, in reference to the maths question fiasco, the OP on that thread was refering to a general decline in intelligence overall, and not just in that one area. That's what pushed me into making this thread.

I may indeed be over-reacting, but that's also evident - I believe, anyway - in the writings in the afore-mentioned example aswell as other cases, such as with grammar nazis. I have not personally seen a massive decline in the results in mathematics - and for reasons already mentioned, I don't believe a deliberately misleading maths question that could have been posted by absolutely anybody is good enough evidence to suggest a massive decline in mathematical intellect. It's one of the reasons why Wikipedia is not typically used as a reference in coursework.

However, I refrain from saying that an intelligent individual is one who excels across a wide spectrum of subjects. While the person who does this is indeed intelligent, specialisation in a subject still shows a form of intellect. No subject is objectively easy - it depends on the person - so being a master of one subject expresses how they had an extensive understanding and mastery of that subject, which takes intelligence to do.

As with the grammar nazis... yeah, I have to agree with you, although I see the extreme more often than not.

 

[SoopaSte123]

Yep, stupid is as stupid does, as they say.

OT: There are many areas of intelligence: critical thinking and reasoning, memory, amount of education, etc. When people call other people stupid, they could be referring to any number of those things. In the case of the facebook math question poll, the people who answered zero were called stupid for a lack of knowledge, either from a lack of education or a lack of memory (most likely the latter).

If people are judging all areas on intelligence based off of one area, then yes, that is very flawed. But if they are just complaining about one of the areas and are getting frustrated from that, then you're over reacting, OP. It's a case by case basis, I suppose.

Now the thing is, usually (not always, but usually) if a person is an intelligent individual, they will do well across the spectrum, be it math, grammar, science, etc., and if a person is unintelligent they will do poorly across the spectrum. If individuals fail to follow basic rules to the point that it looks like they don't understand them, that indeed makes them look stupid.

Correcting someone for incorrect grammar is perfectly fine, just as it is fixing someone's mathematical mistakes. If being super picky, however, ("You didn't use an apostrophe on its!" or "you were off by 1 significant digit! It's 1.0, not 1!") THEN I sympathize with you.

Not sure if you were mocking me or agreeing with me at the beginning but either way, I agree with the rest of your points. I excel at Math and Science as well as history, I am terrible when it comes to spelling and grammar, but I am great at reading comprehension and technical writing. That being said I do tend to correct other peoples grammar (mostly because I would want people to correct mine) and "its" and "it's" are one of those things I correct because they have different meanings, but I don't give people a hard time about Sig Figs

Sorry, I was agreeing haha. Making stupid decisions is one of the many ways you can be a stupid person.

 

[Snowy Rainbow]

What's the easiest way to appear superior? Make those around you look lower.

Sad, really.

 

[artanis_neravar]

Dude, add some archers to that wall and maybe a few attack dogs and you are all set for the oncoming alien invasion.


On topic... Yes, it is ignorant to judge intelligence based off one aspect. But this is how people are raised. I've been called stupid for my grades before, but how can they call me stupid when...

1. I was barley ever in class
2. When I was in class, i was... intoxicated
3. When I was in class and sober i just zoned out

There are other issues behind that, and none of them have to do with my lack of intelligence. Intelligence is a very vauge term. Judge people by what they are good at, and the world is a much brighter place.

I would argue that your three points are acts of stupidity, not saying that you, yourself are stupid, but you made stupid choices[footnote]In my opinion[/footnote]

Really? Because with no backround knowlege of me and what I've been through and what I'm going through, surley you can STILL make an accurate judgment. Everybody has their ups and downs. And not everybody has the same problems or deals with it the same way. At that point I did not care about my future, does that make my descision stupid? Are people who are depressed acting stupidly? Is the girl who got raped and now cuts herself making a stupid descision? Everybody has diffrent methods of coping. Until you know the full story, do not even fucking attempt to judge.

Yes it is still a stupid choice, and yes the girl who just got raped and is cutting herself made a stupid decision, the reasoning doesn't matter it was still a stupid decision. Not caring about your future does not make your choices any less stupid. And here's a tip, if you don't want to be judged, don't come on the internet.

It's obvious you have had an easy life. The world is not black and white, reasons do fucking matter. I wasnt trying to get judged, you just had to stick your opinion in there for some reason. If I want help, I go to bluelight. People there have been through shit and it's honestly the only place where I want to get help. You are just fucking ignorant. Dont even fucking reply to this. Im tired of your ass.

No reasons don't change whether an act was stupid, acts in themselves are stupid. Also there is such a thing as freedom of speech it gives me the freedom to say what I want where I want and when I want. This is one of those times. No I haven't had a tough life but that doesn't mean I am incapable of determining whether choices are stupid ones or not. I never said you came here to be judged I said that if you are going to get so offended at being judged them don't come on to the internet. People are going to judge you, deal with it or get off the internet.

I told you not to fucking post. Stop.

I have no reason to listen to you, if you don't want me to respond then don't respond yourself. It's a pretty simple concept. I still stand by my original assertion that acts themselves are stupid, not the motives behind them.

 

[artanis_neravar]

Yep, stupid is as stupid does, as they say.

OT: There are many areas of intelligence: critical thinking and reasoning, memory, amount of education, etc. When people call other people stupid, they could be referring to any number of those things. In the case of the facebook math question poll, the people who answered zero were called stupid for a lack of knowledge, either from a lack of education or a lack of memory (most likely the latter).

If people are judging all areas on intelligence based off of one area, then yes, that is very flawed. But if they are just complaining about one of the areas and are getting frustrated from that, then you're over reacting, OP. It's a case by case basis, I suppose.

Now the thing is, usually (not always, but usually) if a person is an intelligent individual, they will do well across the spectrum, be it math, grammar, science, etc., and if a person is unintelligent they will do poorly across the spectrum. If individuals fail to follow basic rules to the point that it looks like they don't understand them, that indeed makes them look stupid.

Correcting someone for incorrect grammar is perfectly fine, just as it is fixing someone's mathematical mistakes. If being super picky, however, ("You didn't use an apostrophe on its!" or "you were off by 1 significant digit! It's 1.0, not 1!") THEN I sympathize with you.

Not sure if you were mocking me or agreeing with me at the beginning but either way, I agree with the rest of your points. I excel at Math and Science as well as history, I am terrible when it comes to spelling and grammar, but I am great at reading comprehension and technical writing. That being said I do tend to correct other peoples grammar (mostly because I would want people to correct mine) and "its" and "it's" are one of those things I correct because they have different meanings, but I don't give people a hard time about Sig Figs

Sorry, I was agreeing haha. Making stupid decisions is one of the many ways you can be a stupid person.

OK that's what I took it as, but after reading it a second time I saw the other potential in there

 

[SoopaSte123]

I think we are not entirely opposed in our views. Firstly, that intelligence is more expansive than we usually say it is, and that most people would refer to a lack of knowledge in a certain area as the person 'not being good at [x] subject'. However, in reference to the maths question fiasco, the OP on that thread was refering to a general decline in intelligence overall, and not just in that one area. That's what pushed me into making this thread.

Ah, ok. That's perfectly reasonable to get upset about then... they OP on the other thread was way off then haha.

However, I refrain from saying that an intelligent individual is one who excels across a wide spectrum of subjects. While the person who does this is indeed intelligent, specialisation in a subject still shows a form of intellect. No subject is objectively easy - it depends on the person - so being a master of one subject expresses how they had an extensive understanding and mastery of that subject, which takes intelligence to do.

Specialization in a subject is definitely a form of intellect, though I'd put that in the knowledge category. A lot of the people I knew who had bad grades were really good at other things, such as cars for example. I know nothing about cars, but if I tried to learn about them, I would be able to pick it up quickly and be effective at it, and I think that's what a lot of people view intelligence as: how well you can learn information (and how well you retain it, so memory is included, too). Students who do well in a wide spectrum show that they are intelligent because they learn effectively and retain the information. Knowledgeable people can be just as effective as intelligent people in cases (especially if the intelligent people are lazy) but I think those are two very different things.

I think the English language needs more words for the different types of intelligence. This conversation is very difficult to manage without using confusing vocabulary haha.

 

[artanis_neravar]

Dude, add some archers to that wall and maybe a few attack dogs and you are all set for the oncoming alien invasion.


On topic... Yes, it is ignorant to judge intelligence based off one aspect. But this is how people are raised. I've been called stupid for my grades before, but how can they call me stupid when...

1. I was barley ever in class
2. When I was in class, i was... intoxicated
3. When I was in class and sober i just zoned out

There are other issues behind that, and none of them have to do with my lack of intelligence. Intelligence is a very vauge term. Judge people by what they are good at, and the world is a much brighter place.

I would argue that your three points are acts of stupidity, not saying that you, yourself are stupid, but you made stupid choices[footnote]In my opinion[/footnote]

Really? Because with no backround knowlege of me and what I've been through and what I'm going through, surley you can STILL make an accurate judgment. Everybody has their ups and downs. And not everybody has the same problems or deals with it the same way. At that point I did not care about my future, does that make my descision stupid? Are people who are depressed acting stupidly? Is the girl who got raped and now cuts herself making a stupid descision? Everybody has diffrent methods of coping. Until you know the full story, do not even fucking attempt to judge.

Yes it is still a stupid choice, and yes the girl who just got raped and is cutting herself made a stupid decision, the reasoning doesn't matter it was still a stupid decision. Not caring about your future does not make your choices any less stupid. And here's a tip, if you don't want to be judged, don't come on the internet.

It's obvious you have had an easy life. The world is not black and white, reasons do fucking matter. I wasnt trying to get judged, you just had to stick your opinion in there for some reason. If I want help, I go to bluelight. People there have been through shit and it's honestly the only place where I want to get help. You are just fucking ignorant. Dont even fucking reply to this. Im tired of your ass.

No reasons don't change whether an act was stupid, acts in themselves are stupid. Also there is such a thing as freedom of speech it gives me the freedom to say what I want where I want and when I want. This is one of those times. No I haven't had a tough life but that doesn't mean I am incapable of determining whether choices are stupid ones or not. I never said you came here to be judged I said that if you are going to get so offended at being judged them don't come on to the internet. People are going to judge you, deal with it or get off the internet.

I told you not to fucking post. Stop.

I have no reason to listen to you, if you don't want me to respond then don't respond yourself. It's a pretty simple concept. I still stand by my original assertion that acts themselves are stupid, not the motives behind them.

Then that only makes you an ignorant fuckbag. An insane person who kills somone gets sent to an asylum. A person who does it for pleasure goes to jail. So yes, reasons do fucking matter. Have a good fucking day. Do not quote me again.

Does it change the fact that what they did is wrong? no it does not, all it changes is the punishment. So as I said the act itself is still a stupid act. A stupid act is not like a good or evil act. Good and Evil lie in the motives, stupidity lies in the act itself. You can make a stupid act with good motives, but stupidity is not in the motive it is in the act. Also I will say it again, if you don't want me to quote you, then stop responding to me.

 

[Sudenak]

Dude, add some archers to that wall and maybe a few attack dogs and you are all set for the oncoming alien invasion.


On topic... Yes, it is ignorant to judge intelligence based off one aspect. But this is how people are raised. I've been called stupid for my grades before, but how can they call me stupid when...

1. I was barley ever in class
2. When I was in class, i was... intoxicated
3. When I was in class and sober i just zoned out

There are other issues behind that, and none of them have to do with my lack of intelligence. Intelligence is a very vauge term. Judge people by what they are good at, and the world is a much brighter place.

It is not ignorant to judge intelligence based off of one aspect. If someone makes a stupid decision, it is still a stupid decision. Say that I'm running from someone, only to be hit by a car. I was stupid to run out into the street, even if I was running from someone.

Your defense of it being ignorant is just...bad.

I don't measure intelligence based on grades, as sometimes material is just too difficult for someone to handle. But your reasons for why your grades are abysmal...that's what makes you stupid. You skipped class, you got drunk, and if you weren't drunk you didn't pay attention. The blame rests squarely on you.

No matter how shitty your life is, it's possible to at least show up sober and paying attention. I had a pretty shit life that rolled together with a decent life to make one big pile of mediocre. I did alright in school. What's your excuse?

OT: There's no reason to coddle people. If you make a mistake, own up to it. But some people, after being called out on a mistake, defend that mistake wildly. Those people are idiots. Certainly, one slip up does not make someone stupid. But once you can't let go of your slip up and refuse to call it that, then you show yourself to be stupid.

 

[Racecar1994]

What's the easiest way to appear superior? Make those around you look lower.

Sad, really.

I assume this is made at me; I just want to make this clear before I respond.

 

[ChildishLegacy]

Agreed on OT, I really don't like the sort of people that have just started an A level or whatever in a certain subject, and they feel they can now call themselves a seasoned veteran of the subject. I do Physics, Chemistry and Further Maths at college and I'm not doing bad for myself, but I never try to sneak this in to any of my posts irrelevantly like some people try to do and make out I'm one of the most intelligent people in existence due to me just being a college student. That said, I also feel the need to correct people who think they know everything about a subject being debated and copy and paste a massive chunk of 'fact' from somewhere like Wikipedia and think this makes them intelligent, because they can find something that sounds confusing to others (and probably to them).

 

[Racecar1994]

OT: There's no reason to coddle people. If you make a mistake, own up to it. But some people, after being called out on a mistake, defend that mistake wildly. Those people are idiots. Certainly, one slip up does not make someone stupid. But once you can't let go of your slip up and refuse to call it that, then you show yourself to be stupid.

This is probably a good opportunity to own up to a fault of my own on this thread. A lot of people have already mentioned how the first paragraph labels me as a hypocrite. I admit this was a mistake, and I'd like to take this chance to revise this and instead get the original point across that it was trying to convey: The act of judging someone on a shred of evidence which can be deemed doubtable - in this case, a facebook question - is unprofessional and should not be encouraged. Instead, these judgements should be made after careful consideration of facts and experiences that frequently occur with similar results.

 

[XDravond]

I like repeating the words "I read somewhere that"
In this case
-"people who agrees with your opinions, you think is more intelligent than the those that don't"

just a fun anecdote./XD