The Problem with Piracy...
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You sound like Lilly Allen, and let me tell you something about Lilly Allen...that ***** is raking it in doing a job that is fun...and still complaining. Record companies make money from record sales, bands get screwed. The money is in the touring.firehawk259 said:
So, by your own admission, the actual sample is free.tofulove said:
The product isn't, but they don't make you buy the product. Just entice you.
And oxygen? What about oxygen? Don't tell me there's a tax on that, because there isn't.
That's only one reason some people pirate games, but think about it . . . if that's the way it works (assuming I pirate games), how does it hurt me that games are expensive? I'm not paying for them anyway, and companies aren't getting my money. They won't raise the price on those who pay for them simply because of piracy. They'll come up with another reason so it goes over easier.tofulove said:
Fully aware of that, and no stranger to that particular train of notion myself. Reliable out-of-circuit games are hard to come by. It's really newer games that I get up in arms about, and Professor Layton and the Curious Village is still largely available. Unless he means The Last Time Travel, but since that is currently only in Japan he doesn't exactly qualify as the target demographic.WhiteTiger225 said:
Old movies (I don't know which you are talking about, but for giggles I'll assume it's Werewolves on Wheels) I cannot say too much about. It seems some find their way to DVD while others get tragically overlooked.
Gilbert Munch said:
It's called willpower and a moral compass. I have the means to pirate things easily, but I choose not to. If I want something, I pay for it. It's that simple.
so now oxygen in the same category as video games. wow. you sure got your priority messed up. next you'll be comparing the value of board games to the value of water. and even before you go there, water is technically free, but unfortunately major resources of drinking water are usly not conveniently located right next to you. that's why you pay water companys -whos prices are regulated by the government.- to maintain the facilitys needed to transport water from the source to were you are at. and if such organization of water did not exist we would still be hunters and gathers, or farms on or near major water supplys.Gilbert Munch said:
Did I ever say it was? You were on about things that are free, and now you suddenly shift back to the piracy arguement... ok, let me catch up.tofulove said:
Done. I've read the rest, and now you do another arguement shift and go back to things that are and aren't free. Please, if you do want to make a point, keep it consistant.
I think the only way left for games to survive is the use of in-game adverts. It would be an easy way to spam advertisements without bothering the gamer and would allow developers to sell games through torrents. The advertisements wouldn't need to be protected because no one would want to move them other than to make them all funny pictures. It works because it takes out publishers and gives developers the massive amounts of money the advertisement agencies have lying around, and it will also bankrupt Gamestop and EA so it's a win/win situation!
That's my two cents.
That's my two cents.
my points are all constant and related to the subject. your the one that shifted it from people should not steel to, what about oxygen. fact of the matter is your the one who cant make a rational argument on steeling, other than fact you don't like working for your stuff.Gilbert Munch said:
Piracy is fine as long as it's from a big company that can afford it, eg. EA. EA make games for consoles as well as PC's and are very successful, thus can afford to have me steal a game I would never buy in the first place because I spend my money on things that I like more than EA's games. I would not, however, steal games from small companies based solely on a pc because they need the money more... Or Valve, never steal from Valve. I also pirate my music, but support the artist I really like by seeing them in concert and buying stuff at these concerts.
Edit: Also I WILL buy a game from a large company of it's really good and worth the money
Edit: Also I WILL buy a game from a large company of it's really good and worth the money
You forgot to mention the used-game market. I get a lot of games at prices I'm happy with by waiting a bit and buying them used. $60 Assassin's Creed (or really, anything)? No thanks. $10 Assassin's Creed? Sure. While, like piracy, this doesn't leave any extra money in the dev's pockets, it can be used to track the support/success of a game. And I know that in a year or so, I'll be buying Assassin's Creed 2, new, for $30. I suppose the big thing is patience. I can wait a year to play a game, so there is no real desire to pirate it.MrNixon21 said:
ea has also left a sour taste in my mouth, but i dont steel ea games, i just don't bye ea games/imnotfromaroundhere said:
-joke post- any one who steels from valve needs to be shot on site ;P
and the about the music part of your post. steeling is bad mmkay
That's true. I guess the worst issue with this whole problem is finding an answer that makes EVERYONE happy . . . which won't happen. Either way, you'll be stiffing the customers or the devs. Let's face it, the overarching companies are still going to get their money no matter what.Mobung said:
Oh, and I should clarify, I'm really not happy about this whole situation. The main point that sets me off is the technology. I'll put it like this . . . Napster came out. Everyone downloaded music. The industry realized it was bad, then tried to stop it. To me, that's essentially like dropping the atomic bomb on Japan, realizing it was bad, then saying "Oops! Our bad!" and trying to forget the technology ever existed. We've had the technology to pirate games (and music, movies, and probably whatever other electronic medium you could ever want) for years now. There really isn't any going back. Heaven forbid companies try to find ways to work with the technology rather than combat it exclusively (which is sort of happening now via iTunes and Steam). I really don't feel there is any way to stop piracy, just to delay it or save face.