The problem with steam

[shadow skill]

You might not, but in real life people have 30+gigs of music because they feel like having it. Anyone who makes a music program in the same way that Steam is made for games a moron for doing so.

No, it's "Hur hur, your hard drive sucks even more than Mike's". Seriously, my computer I know very little about hard drives, but if I go on ebay and look for internal desktop hard drives I could get 500GB for 65$.

My PS2 game collection could probably fill half of a 500gb drive and that is only 30 or so games. If you are Valve and you are pushing DD you would think that they would account for the accumulation of products over a ten year period. (I am being generous here.) Let's just imagine that someone fills a 500gb drive with games.

When they go out and by a terabyte drive they would have to copy the steam data over to the drive reducing their capacity to 500gb, where as if Steam was actually programmed correctly they would now have 1.5TB worth of space dedicated to games without having to copy stuff over, without wasting space on the new drive, without having to install another instance of Steam, and still have the ability to view their entire game library from one installation of Steam.

Now in real life people also use drives for more than one specific type of data, partition their drives etc. This makes it even easier for Steam's retarded design to become a problem.

Password is sufficient to not get hacked. Also, I'd rather have 500 idiotic people go into a fury than have everyone on steam who wants to change their account details be inconvenienced.

I hope you are never tasked with administering systems of any importance, making it pathetically easy for sensitive customer information to get owned for the sake of convenience is not convenience at all, it's just foolish.

 

[mike1921]

I hope you are never tasked with administering systems of any importance, making it pathetically easy for sensitive customer information to get owned for the sake of convenience is not convenience at all, it's just foolish.

It's not pathetically easy unless you're also willing to say that getting passed email verification or the like is at the very least not hard, since all you need to do is find out their email. That should be easy if you found it out via talking to the person or using that program that guesses every combo of letter and numbers imaginable(even though I'll admit, only reason for those programs to work is a bad admin).

You might not, but in real life people have 30+gigs of music because they feel like having it.

No, it's because they're idiots.

 

[shadow skill]

No, it's because they're idiots.

So people who collect greatest hits cds and rip them to their hard drives are idiots? Right sure, I believe you... People being really into music that they have that much music on their hard drive(s) are not dumb for having it, it just happens to be convenient when you want to find a specific song or album to use a computer to do the searching. Hell if I could I would love to rip my entire PS2 collection to a hard drive and connect it to my PS3 and play any of those games without having to get up and pull the game out of the cabinet. Hell my own music collection is about 16gb and that is not even including the stuff I keep compressed for archival purposes if I included that it would be a bit over 20gb. I only have about 1500 songs not compressed. If I went ahead and ripped my brother's entire cd collection it would be maybe 3gb if I did it in Wav or Flac.

Oh and by the way brute force is not the only way to hack a system.

 

[mike1921]

So people who collect greatest hits cds and rip them to their hard drives are idiots?

Yes, there's no reason to have more than 10 gigabytes of music you don't plan on re-selling period.

Hell if I could I would love to rip my entire PS2 collection to a hard drive and connect it to my PS3 and play any of those games without having to get up and pull the game out of the cabinet.

So would I

 

[Theo Samaritan]

Now don't get me wrong as I appreaciate that everyone can make mistakes, but did you completely miss everey. single. news report. on said phishing website?

The Escapist covered it, Kotaku covered it, I believe IGN covered it. Its been well known for a week. How could you not know?

What next? "Steam sucks because I let my friend use cheats on my account, but it wasn't ME that was cheating!"

We had one of these not too long ago surprisingly.

@OP, email Valve and give the billing details.

 

[shadow skill]

Yes, there's no reason to have more than 10 gigabytes of music you don't plan on re-selling period.

That's funny because you can fairly easily get to the ten gigabyte mark if you are ripping greatest hits collections that come on more than two disks. If you imagine that each disk would be around 100mb when ripped to Wav or Flac (Lossless formats.) every ten or so discs would be just shy of a gig. Just this morning I saw one of those infomercials for a greatest hits collection that was ten or so discs. It's really not inconcievable to have a music library of say 300 discs (especially if we are talking about a collection that arises over a decent length of time.)which would be roughly 30gb if every cd was 100mb when ripped. If what you say were true there would be no market for high capacity DAPs like the one's Apple and Cowon make.

Your and my listening habits really do not speak for everyone else. (This is yet another reason why Steam's design is crap, it makes far too many needless assumptions about how people will utilize the service, not to mention the filesystem configurations people might have.) Smart/not lazy programmers understand this and don't do stupid things like Steam does or hardcode install paths when you can easily use a relative path or get the appropriate path from an environment variable, in addition to letting the user put their own path in during install.

 

[Noiguy25]

Well, finally got the damn account back. what a relief. After i showed them the picture of the CD key it only took them about an hour or so to massage me back. And yeah, i guess I don't like to spend my time reading news on those websites. Although I apreciate the Info

 

[willer357]

My account was stolen two years ago, and the only thing that I haveto do to retrieve it is something so trivial: just take a picture of a cd key that you have...but every time I do it the picture is too freaking big!!!

 

[shadow skill]

there's no reason to have more than 10 gigabytes of music you don't plan on re-selling period.

FLAC format fills that 10 gigs up quickly.

This is so true. I like to have it mainly for archival purposes and the fact that I like to do my own encoding, I know what settings I want for mp3/ogg etc. If I am downloading music I will take the Flac or other Lossless format if I can find it. I have come across bad rips one too many times to trust other people to do it for me. Besides storing CD's in Flac or some other Lossless format makes it easy to switch between DAPs/and formats without worrying about quality loss.

 

[mike1921]

there's no reason to have more than 10 gigabytes of music you don't plan on re-selling period.

FLAC format fills that 10 gigs up quickly.

How quickly? According to my computer a song in my format fills up about 5.5 MB, let's say Flac makes the songs 10 MB. That means you need 1000 songs to fill up up 10 gigs. Only reason to have that many songs is that you have tons of songs that you haven't ever listened to or like unless you're so into music that having to download it to your C drive is the least of your problems.

That's funny because you can fairly easily get to the ten gigabyte mark if you are ripping greatest hits collections that come on more than two disks.

Why are you ripping greatest hits collections in the first place?

 

[wordsmith]

there's no reason to have more than 10 gigabytes of music you don't plan on re-selling period.

FLAC format fills that 10 gigs up quickly.

How quickly? According to my computer a song in my format fills up about 5.5 MB, let's say Flac makes the songs 10 MB. That means you need 1000 songs to fill up up 10 gigs. Only reason to have that many songs is that you have tons of songs that you haven't ever listened to or like unless you're so into music that having to download it to your C drive is the least of your problems.

That's funny because you can fairly easily get to the ten gigabyte mark if you are ripping greatest hits collections that come on more than two disks.

Why are you ripping greatest hits collections in the first place?

Maybe he wants to be able to listen to them whilst gaming?

Am I the only one who has all his music ripped to his computer?
I put iTunes on shuffle, I hear stuff I've not heard in AAAGES. If I don't like it, I delete it, but I'm still on well over 1,500 songs.

 

[mike1921]

Maybe he wants to be able to listen to them whilst gaming?

How is that impossible to do with songs that you individually picked or albums you individually picked?

Am I the only one who has all his music ripped to his computer?

No, but you may be the only one with such low standards for what they'd consider to be "their music".

I put iTunes on shuffle, I hear stuff I've not heard in AAAGES. If I don't like it, I delete it, but I'm still on well over 1,500 songs.

Any reason you never just looked through your collection for songs you don't like?

 

[L33tsauce_Marty]

How do people fall for this stuff? Just recover it on the real valve site.

 

[out0v0rder]

so basically the problem wasnt with steam then.

 

[mike1921]

mike1921 is the kid everyone hated in school

I also hated every kid in school. What of it?

 

[DeusFps]

I blame you.

 

[clarinetJWD]

Sure, there are security problems with Steam if you give out your password to a 3rd party... There are security problems with EVERYTHING if you give out your account info...the security problem is you.

As for Steam only installing things within its own folder, there is a very good, and immediately apparent reason if you reformat or want to transfer your games. Copy the whole steam folder, paste it in the new location, launch Steam. It'll download the client and reinstall it for the new location, and all your games are already good to go. It makes it so easy, and I wish all programs were designed like that.

Edit: And to the one who says you don't need more than 10GB for music. Maybe you don't, but I am using 32.2GB in iTunes alone, not to mention all the multiple recordings of various pieces I have. It's about 3/4 AAC and 1/4 Apple Lossless.