The reason I hate Michael Bay

[Cherry Cola]

If you don't like Micheal Bay then you don't like America!

I don't like America. They're all Europeans in denial anyway.

Damn, I was hoping someone would get the YGOTAS reference...

I'm sorry, I have failed you, master... or do you say masteress?

 

[Cherry Cola]

You all sicken me.

And you sicken all of us.

Fair and square.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I should give a shit about this why? Perhaps you need to wind your angst back a bit.

But if you don't give a shit about it, why comment? I fail to see the logic here!

Because the angst around here is giving me a headache.

Hmm, I understand that logic... my head nearly exploded when I watched a trailer for Twilight.

I meant I'm sick and tired of hearing about what people hate.

 

[RJ Dalton]

Subtlety is something most Hollywood directors lack.
Also, soul. They sold their souls to a Chinese guy for sucky sex (he had a really thick accent, you see, so they thought he was offering them success (this is why Hollywood marriages never last very long as well as why their movies suck)).

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Sorry, but i find it funny that you guys all hate Michael Bay because he makes films that appeal to the audience that he aims them at.

I mean seriously, its like Halo. People like it and everyone gets annoyed because "everybody else's opinion is wrong and what i like is so much better".

Bravo!

 

[Nwabudike Morgan]

I don't hate him completly, i loved the island and bad boys.

I couldn't take The Island seriously because its premise and plot were were a complete and utter ripoff of Parts: The Clonus Horror, which along with having a wonderfully ridiculous name is best known to the world as a movie that was featured in a good, but not great episode of Mystery Science Theater 3000.

And Sean Bean was the bad guy.

Why is it that British people are always the bad guys? Why can't there be Scandinavian bad guys? The last Scandinavian bad guy I saw was Peter Stormare playing a russian mobster

I think a better question to ask about British actors in movies is wondering why does almost every movie or TV show set in ancient Rome have a cast of British Actors. In popular culture, it's pretty much accepted as fact that the Romans had British accents.

Also, the big reason why you hear so much about how people hate Michael Bay and how much he sucks is these people are on the internet, which means they are nerds, and nerds are binary creatures. They can only passionately love something or hate it with every fiber of their being. They are completely incapable of apathy and they have absolutely no understanding of the concept of liking something, but not only a little, beyond knowing that it is something to be feared and loathed. Go to any gaming forum or read comments posted on a gaming blog and you'll notice the irrational hatred of casual gamers, despite them being the reason why the games industry has been doing as well as it has, which has given the industry enough money to make your big-budget "hardcore" games, you'll notice anybody ever saying anything positive about a console or one of their exclusive games. Only being able to define interest with one digit also means they are often only to like one thing of a type, which combines with the lightswitch emotional involvement in that one thing and the nerd's massive levels of self-hatred in gaming forums and in the comments sections of gaming sites and blogs is also why you'll hear anybody who says anything positive about a console or one of its exclusives they have screams of "fanboy" thrown at them, or if one console exclusive game gets a review score one tenth of a point higher or lower than another console's exclusive game, even if the games don't compete against eachother, will have them accuse the reviewer of being "biased" in favor of or against one of the consoles in question, being on one of the console maker's payroll, or in the case of a major, AAA title getting an abnormally low review score compared to the other reviewers on Metacritic that they were just trolling for hits.

The tragedy is nerds used to use this extreme enthusiasm towards their interests in productive ways. Pretty much everything that makes up how we live our lives in the modern world was given to us by obsessive nerds, along with almost all of our understanding of the nature of the universe and our planet's history. I mean, nerds put SEVERAL men on the moon for fuck's sake. Now look what they do! What makes this most depressing is this was brought on by what one of the greatest gifts ever nerds gave to the world, the internet, did for humanity: it brought the entire world together and got them communicating. Since nerds were brought together, too, so they ceased being solitary creatures and since they like the things that they like so much when they found they enjoyed talking to other nerds about all their nerdy shit it became their whole reason for being.

 

[Cherry Cola]

I should give a shit about this why? Perhaps you need to wind your angst back a bit.

But if you don't give a shit about it, why comment? I fail to see the logic here!

Because the angst around here is giving me a headache.

Hmm, I understand that logic... my head nearly exploded when I watched a trailer for Twilight.

I meant I'm sick and tired of hearing about what people hate.

Oh the irony.

 

[Lamppenkeyboard]

I had fun watching Bad Boys with some friends. You really just can't try to explain to people why their opinion is wrong.

 

[Cherry Cola]

Snip

Was not prepared for huge wall of text...

What's with the extreme stereotypes in your huge wall of text btw? I'm finding you rather insulting.

 

[Gmano]

I hate Michael Bay!

I think people are just whining cry babies.

Allot of the movies Bay makes have a weak story line, but they make it up for me most of the time with awesome action.

I mean how the HELL can you say he sucks at that to? Have you seen Transformers 2? I mean yea sure the story was crap and the actors weren't exactly awesome but the movie still had some of the greatest CGI action i had ever seen in a movie. That doesn't mean you have to like the movie, but at least give it some credit for what it does right.

Michael Bay is the new Halo, because everybody appear to bash him even for reasons that don't make sense.

Some people just don't like the idea of stupid fun or good times. Everything has to be all serious. Seriously, guys, chill out, enjoy the thing for what it is: FUN.

 

[bad rider]

Just putting this out there, while i am in no way a fan of Michael bays. The amount of money he must have means he must be doing something right.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Oh the irony.

What irony? I said "sick and tired" not "hate". Not the same thing.

 

[Internet Kraken]

I certainly don't like Michael Bay. The action scenes in his movie are to cluttered up for my personal taste. Plus they make my head hurt.

However, that is not why I don't like him. I can understand why people enjoy watching mindless action scenes. What I can't understand is why anyone can tolerate the crappy comic relief he inserts into his movies. It is insufferable. If Michael Bay is so good at making stuff blow up, then that is all he should be doing. Every time he tries to make me laugh I want to shove popcorn kernels into my ears just to drown out the noise.


Now I am biased against Bay just because I don't enjoy mindless action films in general. But how can you guys tolerate the terrible plot and horrible jokes just to see some violence? I could play a video game and get that result.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

Note to certain people: I invite anyone to disagree with my opinion, and actually welcome such. Posting merely to say that you don't want to hear an opinion kind of misses the point of forum posting, and is considered very bad form. It takes far less time to click the back button than to make a post.

You all sicken me.

And you sicken all of us.

Fair and square.

Ok, after suffering food poisoning all week I really didn't need you to make me laugh that hard.

But Megan Fox makes up for that... Doesn't she?

She comes close I have to admit. She is one damn fine lady (in a feminstically respectful way of course).

Am I the only person who sees irony in calling Michael Bay movies 'cartoonish,' and then using a movie he made based on a cartoon show to illustrate this?

-m

Transformers 2 is merely the latest. The Island, or Pearl Harbor (especially Pearl Harbor in fact) could also be used for reference.

Let me ask this - have Stanley Kubrick, George Miller, Hayao Miyazaki, or David Lynch ever been given $200 million to throw at a film? Just what kind of film could those guys make with that kind of money? What kind of film could Michael Bay make with that kind of money? Well we know now don't we, Transformers 2. In reality I think we always knew. That is the point. Take a chance on something new and edgy? Try something outlandish and creative? Try to make a film that is unique and will be remembered? Naah. Too much of a gamble. Michael Bay is a safe pair of hands - give him a thousand dollars he will buy a stick of dynamite. Give him a million and he will simply buy more dynamite.

The response of Hollywood? To give him the reigns of Transformers 3.

In the modern investment-driven world there is a real aversion towards trying anything new and different. Michael Bay epitomizes that marvelously.

 

[TotallyFake]

Also saying he "screwed up" Transformers is implying that Transformers in all its previous incarnations was something other than a series of extended-length toy commercials.

May I point you towards MovieBob's review, he says it pretty well:
They spent TWO HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS on this film. That's 50 million more than Star Trek. That's the same budget as Titanic (at the time the largest budget ever). That's double the budget of Terminator 2 (also at the time the largest budget ever). It's 6.6 times the budget of District 9.

There is no excuse for Transformers 2 sucking. It could be based of Crazy Frog and for that money I'd expect a decent film. Actually, for 200 mil, I'd expect 3, maybe 4 decent films.

 

[IanBrazen]

Thoughts anyone?

Ahh cuddly tomato you do get me.

I hate every one of Bay's movies, especially transformers 2, but for some reason I cant seem to bring myself to hate the man.

Ok if you want to think his movies are only this,



Then you wouldn't be too far off.

However every now and then there is a glimer of good movie within his madness.
(skip to 3:34)

I absolutely HATE the movie pearl harbor, but this scene where the zeros are passing by everyone gives me chills.

I think bay is great at cinematography but everything else is garbage.

 

[zimtheawesome]

Also in his defence, you cant really go into a movie based on a cartoon/toy line and expect great things, I personally think it should have been better, but you get what you would expect.

That is a terrible excuse, though. Lots of comic book movies are decent. Heck, Howard the Duck is better than Transformers, and that's saying a lot.

And keep in mind this is a couple of years and a couple of million dollars invested in making these things. If You're going to enter it thinking "let's make a crappy movie based on a crappy toy line" it is intellectually very dishonest to move forward with it.

That, admittedly is not just Bay's downfall. Many great directors have gotten into similar stuff for the money or for contractual obligations. None have done a worse job, though.

It wasnt an excuse, as I said I thought it should have been better, much better in fact. But the fact of the matter is that in general if a movie is based on something like a toy line, I dont really hold its depth in high regard.
Also I never said anything about comics, I am a big comic geek and I have read conutless great comics that I hope never to be put into film form because it would ruin the power and insight that the comic has. I dont feel the same way about TOY LINES.