The right to be racist , sexist and/or Homophobic *Read in full*

[FoolKiller]

I would take it one step further. I not only condone your definitions of racism/sexism etc. I support discriminating based on whatever criteria you choose. My only proviso is that the you don't deliberately harm the other.

At the end of the day, we all fall under that category. Otherwise you would have to give up your own free will.

 

[kingdelete]

I agree with what you say, cause i know everyone hates or likes people for random resons, even hating people just cause they hate you

[quote="BloatedGuppy" post="18.316128.12847583
So, if the point of this diatribe is "people can hate who they want for whatever reasons they please", you're right. They can! It doesn't mean they're not hugely ignorant douche cannons, and that society doesn't have an equal right to hate them in return for their destructive, irrational beliefs.[/quote]

the problem is even your bound to hate someone for stupid reason so arent you calling your self ignorant as well?

 

[orangeban]

Well yeah, people have the right to be racist/sexist/homophobic/whatever, but that doesn't mean I have to respect those beliefs. The government can't stop people being those things, but it can damn well try and discourage it, because racism/ect. is unfair and dangerous.

 

[AnarchistFish]

Okay , Racism is , by Definition ," disliking or hating another race".

Sexism , is by definition "disliking or hating people of a specific sexe ".

And lastly Homophobia "hating or disliking a homosexual person ".

You phrase it wrong. All of those are dislike of a person specifically due to them being of a certain race, sex, sexual orientation, which makes little sense. So even if it is a "right", there's no way to morally justify it. Anyway, discrimination breeds hatred and violence against minorities and people have the right to not suffer from it.

Actually, homophobia is a bit of a misnomer. Phobia - Fear of. Homophobia - Fear of same-sex relationships

I thought that homophobia and xenophobia were exceptions to the rule. I'm pretty sure there's another -phobia word which specifically means fear of homosexual people.

 

[SenseOfTumour]

I dislike most black people because they are poor tippers (I wait tables).

I also dislike teenagers, and 50% of old people because they are also poor tippers.

Doesn't mean I'm OK with a holocaust against them or anything. It's cool to not like people; hell, it's even OK to vent about it. But when it comes to actually physically acting on it then it's wrong.

This is a good point, if he's been working tables for say 5 years, and 90% of his black customers either don't tip, or leave a couple of nickels behind, can we really accuse him of racism?

I personally have found every man I've known to be gay to be incredibly rude to me, and every french person to be overwhelmingly arrogant and superior about France.

However, I've only known 2 gay men and 3 french people, so I can't claim that gays are this or french people are that. However, if you have enough personal experience to qualify something, then you're not being discrimatory.

Sometimes stereotypes ARE rooted in factual experience.

 

[NinjaDeathSlap]

Umm, yeah. When you're talking in terms of just what people think and say rather than what they do, I'm all for people having freedom to believe and say what they want no matter how much I disagree with it.

That said, if someone reserves their right to make racist, sexist, or homophobic slurs in my presence, then I reserve the right to punch them in the face. No-one should have to fear being arrested based purely on what they say, but on the other hand they can't talk shit and then go crying to mummy when someone lamps them for it. The real world doesn't work like that.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

The problem is even you're bound to hate someone for stupid reason so aren't you calling yourself ignorant as well?

On those occasions where I think or behave in a prejudicial manner, yes, I am absolutely being ignorant.

 

[rob_simple]

I've recently found that, upsettingly, I'm racist in the sense that when I meet an Asian person I prepare myself to dislike them.

Even though I realise it's wrong to base an opinion on ethnicity alone - or any single aspect of a persons character - the fact is that I have bad experiences with 9 out of 10 Asian people I encounter so, even though I feel bad for doing it, I can't help but logically expect to not get on with them.

That being said, I would never harbour a dislike for anyone until I got to know them, it's just that with Asian people I'm going in with certain expectations/prejudices based on my own statistics.

 

[theultimateend]

Um, yes?
Don't most people hold this opinion?
You can't give a person jailtime for simply being racist.

I'm always weirder out when the thread is over by the first response.

Then it evolves into something unrelated and is just flamebait for 20 pages.

Kinda calling it now.

 

[lord.jeff]

True they have a right to an opinion even if it's a stupid one like racism or sexism but I also have a right to my opinion and that is to hate sexists and racist.

 

[need4snacks]

The OP does not tackle economic discrimination, which places this ideology in a contradiction.

If I own a business, it's my institution, my organization, and my money. I can purchase or sell from anybody I want, right?

What if I don't want to buy from or sell to black people?
What if MY ENTIRE COMMUNITY doesn't want to buy from or sell to black people?

 

[Mr.Tophat]

Your thoughts and opinions are your own damned business. I can disagree with them, and I can argue/debate with you about them: but there is no way I can straight up force you to think what I believe is "right". Hell, seeing as opinion is naturally subjective its impossible to say whether or not tolerance is objectively better than intolerance. Life's a shades of grey ***** like that.

Until we start up the thought police that is.

 

[DarkRyter]

Okay , Racism is , by Definition ," disliking or hating another race".

Sexism , is by definition "disliking or hating people of a specific sexe ".

And lastly Homophobia "hating or disliking a homosexual person ".

Racism and Sexism don't require value judgement.

Racism and Sexism can be positive or negative. Like saying all Asians are great at math, or woman are more intelligent than men.

 

[Owen Robertson]

TLDR;

No, it is not ok to be racist in your own home. It is not ok to be mildly racist around your friends and only hang around with Black/White/Indian/Chinese people. It is not ok to avoid homosexuals because you have a personal disliking of them. Because the hate or, as you put it, "Dislike" is caused by a lack of education, it is caused by ignorance and fear. It is damaging and a blight upon our society.

That is my view, at least.

Nah, it's okay to say/act how you feel is right. And people have the right to bring justice to you for your actions. The fear of being lynched keeps a good 2/3's of the post-apocalyptic's in Fallout in-line. The 2/3's of the planet that are stupid, ignorant, and live in fear anyway can continue to do so. The other 1/3 can run their own lives their way, and mete out unjust justice. Unlimited rights and freedoms.

That might seem confusing so I'll summarize with this: (Watch from about 8:30)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWiBt-pqp0E

P.S. I gave up on trying to enlighten people and make the full 3/3 tolerant, understanding, educated individuals. It's too much fucking work even for 1/3 of the population.

 

[orangeban]

Um, yes?
Don't most people hold this opinion?
You can't give a person jailtime for simply being racist.

Umm... yeah, yeah you can. At least in Britain you can. It's called inciting hatred and it's why you can get arrested for, say, shouting anti-Muslim slurs outside a mosque. It's also why the English Defence League (think the BNP but made up almost entirely of rowdy football fans) was recently banned from going on a protest through a street in London, because it could have caused a disturbance.

 

[SidingWithTheEnemy]

As long as EA didn't win the war and mind control hasn't been legalized yet I think you can hate pretty much everything / or everyone (being an egomanical misantrope like me)
Problem starts if you express your hatred in a political incorrect way or at the wrong place or at the wrong time.

 

[lumenadducere]

Um, duh? Legally speaking this is true, and as long as you don't act on it and don't let the bias keep you from hiring people for jobs, then you can have whatever opinions you want. It's the same reason those Westboro Baptist fuckwads can spew their nonsense and not be under legal trouble for it.

Socially, however, is a very different thing. Most people I know favor equality, myself included. And the fact of the matter is that when you have such opinions of others, you will wind up treating them differently. The notion that someone may have such hate and yet still treat those they hate with complete equality is utterly wishful thinking. The reason it's looked down upon so much is because those thoughts do wind up translating into action in some way, shape, or form, whether directly or indirectly.

 

[Jonluw]

Um, yes?
Don't most people hold this opinion?
You can't give a person jailtime for simply being racist.

Umm... yeah, yeah you can. At least in Britain you can. It's called inciting hatred and it's why you can get arrested for, say, shouting anti-Muslim slurs outside a mosque. It's also why the English Defence League (think the BNP but made up almost entirely of rowdy football fans) was recently banned from going on a protest through a street in London, because it could have caused a disturbance.

These people aren't simply *being* racist though.
They're acting on it.

It's not illegal to want to kill someone. It's illegal to act on the urge.

(Personally, I disagree with the sentiment that it should be illegal to say racist things by the way.
Since in my mind, the idea of freedom of speech is that retarded opinions and ignorance should be fought with reason and education, not censorship.)

 

[orangeban]

Um, yes?
Don't most people hold this opinion?
You can't give a person jailtime for simply being racist.

Umm... yeah, yeah you can. At least in Britain you can. It's called inciting hatred and it's why you can get arrested for, say, shouting anti-Muslim slurs outside a mosque. It's also why the English Defence League (think the BNP but made up almost entirely of rowdy football fans) was recently banned from going on a protest through a street in London, because it could have caused a disturbance.

These people aren't simply *being* racist though.
They're acting on it.

It's not illegal to want to kill someone. It's illegal to act on the urge.

(Personally, I disagree with the sentiment that it should be illegal to say racist things by the way.
Since in my mind, the idea of freedom of speech is that retarded opinions and ignorance should be fought with reason and education, not censorship.)

Huh, I guess you're right. Though I'll point out that people can say racist things in public, but they have to be careful where they say them. If the police think that violence could arise, either against the racist or against the people the racist is being racist to, then the police have a right to wade in there and pull the bastard out with force.