The school bully's little brother problem. I.E The I'm screwed either way problem

[Lawllerskater]

Threaten the school with a bomb, but with an anonymous phone call.
This will cause panic for the school as they try to figure out who would want to bomb the school.
You'd use probably a pay phone away from witnesses or security cameras.
The school will close down for a little bit.
People will be scared.
No school, no bully or his brother.
No bully or his brother, no problem.
Therefore bomb threat = no problem.

 

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Well, there certainly is a lot of questionable and downright stupid advice in this thread. Be advised, wall of text incoming.

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Righto, this is (in my opinion) what you should do (in order of application, until problem is solved):

Talk to the Older Brother
Approach the older brother and politely ask him to talk to his brother and get him to stop annoying you. Don't get angry or raise your voice when talking to him, but be firm. It's likely he's getting some form of stick for his little brother acting like a jackass anyway, so perhaps it'd be in his best interests to slap him upside the head a little and get him to start behaving.

Ignore Them
From what you've described, the kid seems to be all bark, with very little action to back up his tough talk. By acting as if his petty attempts to goad you into starting a fight with him have no effect on you, you may cause him to lose interest and stop bothering you.

Talk to the Authorities
Now, I know this may sound like the ?coward's option?, but it isn't. Assuming you've done the above and you're still being harassed by this kid and/or his brother, you've pretty much done as much as you can yourself to resolve the situation without resorting to violence or otherwise doing anything the authorities can punish you for.

Go to a teacher, or another member of staff (if your school is anything like mine was, you'll have a guidance teacher or someone similar to go to whose job it is to deal with this kind of thing), and calmly explain the situation, starting from the beginning and giving as much detail as possible. Don't leave anything out or warp the truth to try and make yourself look better. The more honest you are, the more likely they are to believe your story, as well as make it easier for them to get to the truth once they call in the kid and/or his brother to question them about it.

After you've done that, there's not much you can do for a while except to try and continue to ignore the kid and/or his brother until the authorities either resolve the situation or fail to act and do so. It's entirely possible that being talked to by the authorities will not change either the kid or his brother's behaviour (I know the authorities were bloody useless at several of my previous schools), but it is certainly worth a try, and even if it doesn't solve anything, it proves that you attempted to settle the situation diplomatically before resorting to violence, which will make you look better in the school's eyes (as well as anyone's with any sense).

Fight Them
Now, let me stress this: Violence should be your last resort, and only employed when all other peaceful means of resolving the situation have failed. Hopefully you will have solved the issue by now, but if not, here is what you need to know.

Firstly, don't start the fight. It makes you the aggressor in the eyes of a lot of people, most importantly those of the authorities. Stay calm, and fight back if either the kid or the older brother engage you, but don't throw the first punch.

Secondly, regarding all of the people telling you to take a bat or similar blunt object with you (or even worse, a knife), DO NOT DO THIS. I can not emphasise enough how stupid this is. For one thing, it turns a pretty simple schoolyard brawl into a potentially life-threatening fight, and also, it's just about the best way to mark you out as the bad guy in the eyes of both any spectators and the authorities. It proves that not only were you deliberately trying to grievously injure another person, but also that you we planning in advance to get into a fight. Again, do not do this.

Judging from what you've said, the little brother shouldn't be too hard to deal with, since you're older than him. You could probably quite easily beat him. Just remember that a lot of people will (and rightfully so) look down on you if you hurt him any more than is necessary. Especially the authorities. You're older than him, you're bigger than him. Shove him away if he tries to fight you, don't beat the crap out of him. It's the bigger brother that'll be the problem, assuming he even gets involved. If you do get into a fight with him, try and ensure that it happens in a fairly open area, where there are a lot of other kids. This will provide a large number of potential witnesses for the authorities to question later, and the more witnesses that see you defending yourself in a fight rather than starting one, the better.

Try and hit him in a way that will either wind, disorientate or knock him down. Don't go for the throat, because you don't want to risk killing the guy. Stomach, gut, temple and (though some people may disagree) testicles are valid targets. Hit him until he either backs down, gets knocked down or otherwise stops hitting you back. Do not hit him again after this. It makes you the aggressor rather than him, and is entirely unnecessary.

Walk away, and either go to the school nurse or whatever if you have any injuries and report what happened to the authorities, or carry on as you were (if he started the fight and lost it, he's probably too embarrassed to go to them himself). Also, it's worth noting that you may not even have to win the fight against the bigger brother to get them to leave you alone. Just stand your ground, and even if you end up losing, you'll probably gain a few points of respect in his eyes, or at least get him to try and find an easier target.

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Now, that's hardly a perfect or complete set of advice, but aside from that, I'm not sure what else I can offer, aside from don't take your high school 'reputation' too seriously. It's not nearly as important as it may seem to you at the moment, and acting like a responsible person will earn you a lot of points in the eyes of the authorities as well as those of any of your peers with half a brain.

Hope things work out well, in any case.

Do what Ender did. Beat the ever living shit out of him in front of this friends. Kick him when he's down. All that jazz. Then make a threat that even if he gets his brother in on this, even if he gets all his little shits together to beat on you, one day you will find the other kids alone and wail on them like there is no tomorrow. The problem with that is you have to make good on your promise and you look like a ruthless bastard.

The way I dealt with this when I was 13 was to Suplex the guy by the head. Didn't bother me ever again.

I hope you're kidding. Please tell me you're kidding. I'm not sure if you read the same book I did, but Ender killed Stilson. Are you really advocating that the OP commit murder because he was shoved around and threatened a little?

I didn't read that part yet. And the point stands. He didn't screw with Ender again did he?

There are plenty of irrational and rational ways to beat a bully, be it physically, mentally, socially, or what have you. In the past I solved my problems with violence. Was it the right thing to do? Who knows? Maybe the bully was planing on cornering me with a group of his friends and jacking my shit. He probably wasn't. He never will now. And people don't think me any the worse for it.

 

[spartan231490]

...me and my friends are fifteen...
...just ignoring it and hoping it dies down is a option it does very bad things to my reputation...

You're 15 "reputation" is a figment of your imagination. What people think of you in High school doesn't matter.

Do you really believe this? Of course reputation and what people think of you in High school matters. It doesn't matter once you're out of high school, but it matters a lot while you are. If you didn't experience it, trust me, life in high school sucks like you wouldn't believe if people think they can walk all over you.

Others opinions of you only matter if you decide it matters. If you make the decision to care if those people think you're "cool" or a "tough guy" then that is your choice, but in a year or two those people you went out of your way to impress are gone and you have nothing despite all your efforts.

If he gets in a fight to prove he is cool or a tough guy his life could be ruined forever for momentary approval of people that are not really important to him. A perfect example is a few years ago a high school kid got in a fight (like this situation) and the other boy fell hitting his head on a table. The kid is now in prison for murder because he had to defend his reputation.

Like I said before people who are actually his friends won't care that he didn't get in a fight, and those who think less of him because he took the high road are not worth his concern.

Not true. You can not care that they think you are beneath them all you want. It won't erase the bruises. Ask me how I know. Reputation matters because a person's opinion of you determines how they interact with you.
Also note that I never told him to get in a fight to prove he's cool. I suggested that he stand up for himself verbally, and that he should defend himself if accosted physically.

 

[Nova Helix]

Not true. You can not care that they think you are beneath them all you want. It won't erase the bruises. Ask me how I know. Reputation matters because a person's opinion of you determines how they interact with you.
Also note that I never told him to get in a fight to prove he's cool. I suggested that he stand up for himself verbally, and that he should defend himself if accosted physically.

Standing up for himself verbally, and that he should defend himself if accosted physically if different. There have been so many people saying "Kick his ass omg!!!" I miss read your post as more hostile than it was, my bad. If there are bruises then there should to be police involvement in my opinion.

 

[spartan231490]

Not true. You can not care that they think you are beneath them all you want. It won't erase the bruises. Ask me how I know. Reputation matters because a person's opinion of you determines how they interact with you.
Also note that I never told him to get in a fight to prove he's cool. I suggested that he stand up for himself verbally, and that he should defend himself if accosted physically.

Standing up for himself verbally, and that he should defend himself if accosted physically if different. There have been so many people saying "Kick his ass omg!!!" I miss read your post as more hostile than it was, my bad. If there are bruises then there should to be police involvement in my opinion.

It's ok. I probably should have put my two posts together in one in the first place.
Also, I see no reason to involve the police for bullying, unless bones are broken. I could rant for pages and pages on why I feel that way, but it all comes down to this. I was bullied as much as anyone when i was in school, and all the impacts that has had on my life are positive. Kids in high school make bad decisions, they shouldn't have their lives ruined by something as unimportant as being a bully.

 

[CrustyOatmeal]

ask the big brother to tell his younger brother to back off or you will have to do something about it. this way you put the pressure on the older brother to do something. if you do this one of three outcomes will occur:

1: he tells his little brother to stop, he does, and that's the end of it

2: he tells his brother and he still doesnt stop, you kick the little kids ass, he stops, and its the end of it (if he doesnt stop rinse and repeat)

3: if he doesnt tell his brother then the blame is on him for not warning his brother to stop and if he attacks you people will side with you because you did everything you could do to stop the pestering without using violence and the older brother knew the consequences of his brother's continued assaults. the downside is you may have to take a beating but it wont be something he should hold a grudge over since you did give a warning

thats what i would do

 

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I have a lot of experience dealing with violence and inflicting violence on other people. I'll give you good advice here. I graduated from highschool less than ten years ago so I know what your going through. Ignore most posters here, they are giving you stupid advice and living in a fantasy world.

Follow these steps:

1. Go directly to the older brother. The next point is very important! When you speak to him, it is important that you are confident, but don't be aggressive or threatening. That will just make him want to SMASH you. People like him have low self esteem and he'll interpret threats and aggression as a challenge. Explain to him that you and his brother bumped into each other in the hall and his brother fell over. Tell him that his brother has repeatedly threatened you to a fight. Tell the older brother that you don't want to fight the younger brother because he is so much younger than you, but that its starting to annoy you. Tell the older brother that you approached him out of respect, because you guys are in the same grade. THATS IT. Thats all you say to the older brother. You don't have to tell him to say anything to his brother, the fact that you aren't asking him anything may just resultin him approaching his brother. The big brother may gain respect for you because of how you approached him. You showed him respect, but you didn't show fear. Remember its important to be confident and assertive, not aggressive. Don't threaten, real tough people don't need to threaten. The implications are out there.

2. Part 1 is good for legal reasons as well. It shows you weren't the aggressor, which will be important for your school if there is violence afterwards or for the police if it gets real serious.

3. Get some back up. I mean, tell your big brother or whoever else you trust to have your back about the situation. They should be on call in the event of you getting jumped by the big brother and his friends.

4. If the big brother attempts to physically attack you, I mean makes a move, then you are justified in physically defending yourself. Otherwise, don't try and inflame the situation. I know you can kick the big brother's ass, but it won't be the end of it. He's insecure and has a low self esteem. If you beat him once he'll probably want to attack you again. That time he'll make sure he wins. He'll cheat (by bringing a hidden weapon or having his friends stomp you if your winning). Only fight if you cant avoid it. Leave him a face saving exit.

 

[klaynexas3]

do you think you could take the big kid?

I have done martial arts and I probably could as I have done well in other fights, but the "Big kid" has held a grudge before to the extent that he and his friends attacking a boy all at once while he wasn't looking.

then make sure he's too scared to do anything after the first fight. don't give him a chance to get back at you. i'm not talking about killing him, but hurting him enough that he and his friends will be too afraid to do anything. even if they do attack you as a gang, make sure they know you'll come after each and everyone of them until you've gotten them back. make sure they know this before they try to gang up on you though. also, keep plenty of friends around with you if they are planning to do anything. if they do jump you, you won't be alone then.