The "Screaming Children on Mics" Argument

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n00beffect

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SL33TBL1ND said:
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So. We've all heard this before, the console fan-bases are shit because most of the people who play them are children who swear and shout inanely into their mics.

Ok, what does this have to do with anything? Yeah, sure, they're annoying, but there are mute buttons.

I just read a reason why (apparently) Black Ops was bad as being "screaming children and campers galore". This makes no sense. Sure, campers can be annoying, but screaming children do not affect the game or how it plays.

Seriously, learn what a mute button is and how it works.
my argument is why are kids (and I mean kids) playing games like COD in the first place, it's an 18 rated game and yet I've seen parents buying it for their kids, one asked me if I thought it suitable for his 10 year old son!
This is a different discussion, and one that I would side with the kids/parents. Only the child's parents know if their child is mature enough to play said game. If they believe that their, for example, 12 year old son is intelligent to distinguish between fact and faction, that's their decision.

The problem comes in when parents don't take an interest in their child's hobby. I've been lucky, what with having gamers as parents, but some people just don't know or care.

What utter bollocks! "Parents know whether their child is mature enough to play games or not?" Ha-ha-ha! Yeah right, they know, the same way senators know what effect games have on people, or what a CONTROLER is for that matter! Parents couldn't tell the difference between a game like Kirby's Epic Yarn and COD, even if said difference came and slapped them in the face! Furthermore, unless you're unfamiliar with the parents of today, and have missed-out on the fact that every parent thinks of his/her child as being some super-special-awesome genius, more mature then the maturest mature person in the world, then let me fill you in. Yes, thou hast had many a luck in having parents as gamers, but that's rarely the case, however.
 

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No_Remainders said:
So. We've all heard this before, the console fan-bases are shit because most of the people who play them are children who swear and shout inanely into their mics.

Ok, what does this have to do with anything? Yeah, sure, they're annoying, but there are mute buttons.
Dude, seriously? If anything I think that's an argument in favour of consoles! Seriously, if you get drunk and start trolling all the 13-year-olds screaming into their microphones, it's about the most entertaining thing... EVER.
 

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No_Remainders said:
So. We've all heard this before, the console fan-bases are shit because most of the people who play them are children who swear and shout inanely into their mics.

Ok, what does this have to do with anything? Yeah, sure, they're annoying, but there are mute buttons.

I just read a reason why (apparently) Black Ops was bad as being "screaming children and campers galore". This makes no sense. Sure, campers can be annoying, but screaming children do not affect the game or how it plays.

Seriously, learn what a mute button is and how it works.
I am not going to read the replies, there are too many and I don't have the patience to sift through them.

These games are meant to be played multi-player. They have almost none if any single player content. So if I am buying a game and paying an XBox live or whatever monthly fee I expect them to police the game.

When some jackass with the wit and tact of a Scary Movie writer starts dropping racial slurs it takes away from the game. When I am called a jew,or a kike I find it offensive. This is not South Park where Cartman is oblivious to what the term means and the audience laughs not at his insult but at Cartman. This is a bunch of uneducated trash laughing at other uneducated trash for being uneducated trash.

Age can, but does not always play into this. The most offensive slurs and profanity I have ever heard came from the mouth of my unemployed, high school drop out cousin in his crappy 2 room apartment he shares with his wack-job conspiracy theorist brother. He will sit and yell things that have not been heard since the biblical age at his 50 inch TV while he sits on a box-springless mattress because his brother has the other half of the bed. My cousin is just another loser junkie barely literate jackass that thinks calling someone the N word followed by a fart noise is the height of wit and humor.

Excuse me if I think that putting up with these mouth-breathing Luddites every time I enter a match takes away from the game. I am sorry if I associate being called a "homo-queer fag ******-Kike" with these games. WoW doesn't put up with this shit. Try spamming that in a chat channel and see how long it takes to get your ass banned. Why can't console shooters do the same. Why does it take 6 months for one of these ass-clowns to get any sort of punishment when Sony and Microsoft are on your ass faster than the flash if you mod your console.

In fact, it is not just the consoles. I see the same thing in TF2. Really, I abhor the shooter genre because it is populated by far too many of these worthless, missing-link man-childs one drink away from a Darwin award. If you want to put up with that sort of a person be my guest, but until the Genre stops being a breeding ground for people like my cousin I would not fuck it with Bea Arthur's dick.
 

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TheShogun said:
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SL33TBL1ND said:
That's the thing. I shouldn't have to mute anyone. Let's just put a couple of games side-by-side here. When I play TF2 I never mute anyone, everyone is polite (as far as gamers go), funny and interesting to talk to. When I play COD on the other-hand, I routinely have mute-all on purely because I don't want to deal with the immature bullshit that comes out of those kid's mouths. I shouldn't have to deal with that shit, and yet there seems to be a huge concentration of those sorts of people in that player-base.
Why should they have less right to play COD than you?
Because they're kids?
You can throw out the argument of age ratings, but in many countries selling games to people under the recommended age is allowed.
No they are kids they shouldn't be playing call of duty in the first place
No one should

I hate hearing children yelling or talking shit
They need to figure out that that isn't how the online community works or should work and that it's just like meeting someone in person
You don't tell anyone half the shit you hear on CoD if someone is better than you at say baseball
 

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SL33TBL1ND said:
That's the thing. I shouldn't have to mute anyone. Let's just put a couple of games side-by-side here. When I play TF2 I never mute anyone, everyone is polite (as far as gamers go), funny and interesting to talk to. When I play COD on the other-hand, I routinely have mute-all on purely because I don't want to deal with the immature bullshit that comes out of those kid's mouths. I shouldn't have to deal with that shit, and yet there seems to be a huge concentration of those sorts of people in that player-base.
This man speaks the truth.
 

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FirstToStrike said:
SL33TBL1ND said:
That's the thing. I shouldn't have to mute anyone. Let's just put a couple of games side-by-side here. When I play TF2 I never mute anyone, everyone is polite (as far as gamers go), funny and interesting to talk to. When I play COD on the other-hand, I routinely have mute-all on purely because I don't want to deal with the immature bullshit that comes out of those kid's mouths. I shouldn't have to deal with that shit, and yet there seems to be a huge concentration of those sorts of people in that player-base.
This man speaks the truth.
If devs didn't think there would be a problem with mic-abusers, they wouldn't have included a mute function.

At some point, it becomes prohibitively expensive and time consuming to police all CoD game chats, and if someone is throwing out racial slurs, I'm fairly sure CoD has a report player function, though I'm not sure about that.

Also, I'd like to note that on TF2 I have met many young kids who are team players, respectful, and are actually quite good. I feel a distinction has to be made here.
 

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I played CoD4, MW2, and BlOps expensively and I think I can count the number of "Screaming Children" incidents on one hand. Two if you want to count kids in their late teens/early twenties who act like children.

Some of you MUST be exaggerating.
 

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Get ready for a massive wall of text people.

n00beffect said:
SL33TBL1ND said:
putowtin said:
No_Remainders said:
So. We've all heard this before, the console fan-bases are shit because most of the people who play them are children who swear and shout inanely into their mics.

Ok, what does this have to do with anything? Yeah, sure, they're annoying, but there are mute buttons.

I just read a reason why (apparently) Black Ops was bad as being "screaming children and campers galore". This makes no sense. Sure, campers can be annoying, but screaming children do not affect the game or how it plays.

Seriously, learn what a mute button is and how it works.
my argument is why are kids (and I mean kids) playing games like COD in the first place, it's an 18 rated game and yet I've seen parents buying it for their kids, one asked me if I thought it suitable for his 10 year old son!
This is a different discussion, and one that I would side with the kids/parents. Only the child's parents know if their child is mature enough to play said game. If they believe that their, for example, 12 year old son is intelligent to distinguish between fact and faction, that's their decision.

The problem comes in when parents don't take an interest in their child's hobby. I've been lucky, what with having gamers as parents, but some people just don't know or care.

What utter bollocks! "Parents know whether their child is mature enough to play games or not?" Ha-ha-ha! Yeah right, they know, the same way senators know what effect games have on people, or what a CONTROLER is for that matter! Parents couldn't tell the difference between a game like Kirby's Epic Yarn and COD, even if said difference came and slapped them in the face! Furthermore, unless you're unfamiliar with the parents of today, and have missed-out on the fact that every parent thinks of his/her child as being some super-special-awesome genius, more mature then the maturest mature person in the world, then let me fill you in. Yes, thou hast had many a luck in having parents as gamers, but that's rarely the case, however.
Wow, good job not reading there. If you actually take the time to read more than the first and last sentence of my post you'll find a number of things that make your reply a waste of time. Not only did you manage to misquote me in your post when the text was directly above it, but you also completely misrepresent my opinion.

If you actually took the time to carefully read my post you'll find that I said:
The problem comes in when parents don't take an interest in their child's hobby. I've been lucky, what with having gamers as parents, but some people just don't know or care.
The implication being that my previous paragraph only holds if the child actually has good parents.

Next time, read before replying.

William Ossiss said:
SL33TBL1ND said:
When I play TF2 I never mute anyone, everyone is polite
except when they attack F2P players.

COD is a bad example, anyway. it's not just children that are complete and utter asshats. it's teenagers, adults. it's the rampant "your mom" jokes that apparently never get old. it's the pseudo anonymity of the internet that allows people to believe that there are no repercussions to what they say or do. and some people are just assholes.

it is exactly why i mute anyone who is slightly confrontational. im not playing a game to listen to you be a moron. im playing to have fun. if your going to try and ruin that for me, you can go fuck yourself. your muted. tons of people ***** and whine when i mute them. they wanted that attention i refused to give them.

ive been in plenty of games where everyone is a good sport. at the very end "good game" is said. those i enjoy. so console games can have their ups and downs. as can pc games. stupidity is rampant, and not exclusive to one or the other.
You've been much more polite so I'll be much kinder to you.

Your argument is sound and well presented, the only problem here is it seems to be a rebuttal to either something I never said, or something I may have accidentally implied. To make this easier, I'll break down your response.

except when they attack F2P players.
While this may happen, sure, I've never encountered it, and that was the point of my post, to recount my experiences with the two game's respective communities.

COD is a bad example, anyway. it's not just children that are complete and utter asshats. it's teenagers, adults. it's the rampant "your mom" jokes that apparently never get old. it's the pseudo anonymity of the internet that allows people to believe that there are no repercussions to what they say or do. and some people are just assholes.
This is why, as my posts in this thread went on I focused more on the communities as a whole, as opposed to the age groups that inhabit them.

it is exactly why i mute anyone who is slightly confrontational. im not playing a game to listen to you be a moron. im playing to have fun. if your going to try and ruin that for me, you can go fuck yourself. your muted. tons of people ***** and whine when i mute them. they wanted that attention i refused to give them.
I do the same thing, I just take it one step further. If you've read my other posts in this thread you'll find that when I play COD, I always have mute all on. What I was saying was that, I've never been prompted to mute anyone in a game of TF2, let alone turn off voice chat altogether.

ive been in plenty of games where everyone is a good sport. at the very end "good game" is said. those i enjoy. so console games can have their ups and downs. as can pc games. stupidity is rampant, and not exclusive to one or the other.

This is why my thoughts on this subject were, as I said before, examining the games' player-bases as a whole, not excluding them based on platform.

So, wrapping up, my thoughts on the matter are thus:

1. In my experience TF2 has had an unfailingly awesome community.
2. In my experience COD games are generally filled with profanity, people screaming hax at every death and just not generally being a nice environment to play in.

Thanks for reading.
 

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No_Remainders said:
So. We've all heard this before, the console fan-bases are shit because most of the people who play them are children who swear and shout inanely into their mics.

Ok, what does this have to do with anything? Yeah, sure, they're annoying, but there are mute buttons.

I just read a reason why (apparently) Black Ops was bad as being "screaming children and campers galore". This makes no sense. Sure, campers can be annoying, but screaming children do not affect the game or how it plays.

Seriously, learn what a mute button is and how it works.
I agree with the OP, mute.

It's a feature that should be used more often. I don't find the screamers annoying. They're easy to detect, I hate the pricks who just jab on and on, harassing their fellow players. Those ones irk me.

But if I find the time to worry that they upset me, generally the game is already bad to begin with.
 

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I did however find a good way to avoid "screaming midgets" in CoD games. Avoid search and Destroy at all costs.
 

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Why don't they just add a system into the online communities for those games which enables players to register complaints against others for cursing or being a bad sport? The online records would keep track of the person's more important stats (based on what kind of game it is and what would be important) and if they get too many reports for cursing or harassment they could get temporarily restricted from accessing the online portion of the game or end up being matched against people who have acted similarly poorly.

With all the little cursing kids stuck playing against each other, the players who end up having to mute them or register complaints all the time will be much less likely to be randomly matched up with one of them.

As long as reporting someone isn't much more complicated than muting them (or comes along with muting them, like a little popup asks you why you're muting them) I think this would work just fine. (yes, people could report you falsely, but the likelihood of getting mass-reported until you get a temporary restriction or put with all the cursing kids would be very low. Reports would eventually expire after a period of time, so it's not a permanent thing)
 

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TheShogun said:
SL33TBL1ND said:
That's the thing. I shouldn't have to mute anyone. Let's just put a couple of games side-by-side here. When I play TF2 I never mute anyone, everyone is polite (as far as gamers go), funny and interesting to talk to. When I play COD on the other-hand, I routinely have mute-all on purely because I don't want to deal with the immature bullshit that comes out of those kid's mouths. I shouldn't have to deal with that shit, and yet there seems to be a huge concentration of those sorts of people in that player-base.
Why should they have less right to play COD than you?
because they are underage
 

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I have a number of problems with the OP. First, by hard experience I have learned that there are only a tiny few categories of people in the world of online gaming (on consoles). The first is the homophobic, foul mouthed child. There is literally nothing they will ever say that I find to be of any value or emotional impact. I mute these people. While I'm willing to admit that there might be some variation on the whole child thing, I never seem to make contact with them.

The second is the teenager who loves drugs and booze and loves telling me about how high or drunk he is. There is literally no circumstance in any video game I have ever played where I find this information to be of value and this group too gets muted. While I am aware that there are teenagers who eschew this sterotype, I have not met one since I was, myself, a teenager.

The third type of person are those who think I ought to listen to whatever bullshit is going on around them. This is also of no importance and again these people are muted.

There is a fourth type of person who say nothing and never plugs in a microphone. These people are pretty awesome.

The last category of people I meet in games are people I personally know. These are the only people who I don't mute who are also likely to talk.

Personally, I think I gave all of you a fair shake before I decided to mass mute the lot of you. As it stands now, I couldn't be bothered to even put on a headset on the off chance one of the people I meet might be worth the minor amount of brain power it takes to process the nonsense that slips out of their mouths into my ears. If I don't play with people I know, I just plug in the headset and put it on the floor.

The thing is, I have enormous patience for such things and yet it was gradually eroded. By being constantly dick bags or an utter waste of my oxygen, such people have effectively become a game altering nuisance by ensuring that I only bother communicating with a very specific type of person in a group with incredibly strict membership requirements. The OP might not think such things affect anything, but I'd say that because there is such an overwhelming trend of hostility, ignorance, stupidity and banality to be had on voice chat, you'll find that a significant portion of the people who actually wanted to talk about something useful and pertinent to the game instead stay silent.
 

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SL33TBL1ND said:
That's the thing. I shouldn't have to mute anyone. Let's just put a couple of games side-by-side here. When I play TF2 I never mute anyone, everyone is polite (as far as gamers go), funny and interesting to talk to. When I play COD on the other-hand, I routinely have mute-all on purely because I don't want to deal with the immature bullshit that comes out of those kid's mouths. I shouldn't have to deal with that shit, and yet there seems to be a huge concentration of those sorts of people in that player-base.
It's just luck that tf2 has a more mature fanbase. It could easily have been the other way around. The point here is that a game/console's fanbase should have no bearing on it's perceived quality.

A bad fan base is not attracted to bad games. A bad fanbase is effectively just taking a dump on whatever game they feel like. Take section 8 prejudice, for example. I love that game's online but the concept if teamwork seems alien to most people on there. Even simple stuff like spawning on a point that's being captured by one guy who is being approached by three enemies. They can see this on the radar, they can drop in and help, I even make a habit of destroying the AA guns so they can drop in even closer, but they still don't get it! As for asking them to do so? I'll be lucky. People with mics are rarer than polite manners in central London.

Does this impact on my experience of the game? Greatly. Does it make it a bad game? No, not at all.
 

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Doclector said:
SL33TBL1ND said:
That's the thing. I shouldn't have to mute anyone. Let's just put a couple of games side-by-side here. When I play TF2 I never mute anyone, everyone is polite (as far as gamers go), funny and interesting to talk to. When I play COD on the other-hand, I routinely have mute-all on purely because I don't want to deal with the immature bullshit that comes out of those kid's mouths. I shouldn't have to deal with that shit, and yet there seems to be a huge concentration of those sorts of people in that player-base.
It's just luck that tf2 has a more mature fanbase. It could easily have been the other way around. The point here is that a game/console's fanbase should have no bearing on it's perceived quality.

A bad fan base is not attracted to bad games. A bad fanbase is effectively just taking a dump on whatever game they feel like. Take section 8 prejudice, for example. I love that game's online but the concept if teamwork seems alien to most people on there. Even simple stuff like spawning on a point that's being captured by one guy who is being approached by three enemies. They can see this on the radar, they can drop in and help, I even make a habit of destroying the AA guns so they can drop in even closer, but they still don't get it! As for asking them to do so? I'll be lucky. People with mics are rarer than polite manners in central London.

Does this impact on my experience of the game? Greatly. Does it make it a bad game? No, not at all.
Did I at any point say that COD was a bad game because of the player-base? No, not once. I'm not blaming you, there has been six pages of discussion here, but if you'd read my later posts you'd realise that you're responding to something I never meant, nor said.

I play a lot of COD, I have over 200 hours logged. Do I think it's a bad game? No. Do I think the game would be much improved if it had a better player-base? Yes.

There's nothing else to say.
 

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Brodie Jenkins said:
TheShogun said:
Why should they have less right to play COD than you?
Rating(s)
ACB: MA15+ (PS3, X360, Wii & PC version),[8] M (DS version)
BBFC: 18[9]
CERO: Z
ESRB: M / T (DS version)
PEGI: 18+ / 16+ (DS version)
USK: 18 (Edited)
That's why
But it's not enforced by law in many countries, that's my point