The Seven sins of Black Ops 4 reveal

[sXeth]

Oh hey, another game goes battle royale. Gee, this trend following sure is a healthy and productive way to create new content.

Meh, pretty much par for the course. Some game would achieve unexpected breakout success and all the usual suspects would stumble over each other for a piece of the pie. Remember when everyone was chasing that sweet COD dollar? Didn't turn out that great for most, since COD had already cornered the market. In this case it's a little more interesting than usual, since trendsetter PUBG actually lost the number 1 spot to copycat Fortnite. But I doubt Activision will manage to pull the same trick.

Though there is some delicious irony in COD having become a bandwagon jumper itself.

I'd guess CoD's BR would just be the shinier version of PUBGs and possibly put the nail in that coffin.

I'd be dubious of the 60 dollar game managing to leverage itself against the hyper-popular free game though, yeah. And Fortnite's got its building stuff and the slow-mixing of its goofier elements from the base game to keep a separate identity.

 

[Mcgeezaks]

I really hope it flops and flops really hard so as to show these video game publishers that you can't decide that we no longer want a story mode in our games. And you can still change 60 pounds for the privilege.

I have a feeling it won't though.

You have a feeling that the series which sells based on "keeping up with the jones" MP (If you wanna play CoD, there are always mass population migrations at release) and zombies wont suffer from not having a campaign?

The same series, which is regularly critiqued for phoning in their single player?

I think you may be on to something there.


Also, for the record, single player whingers need to pick a lane. These games get bashed by the SP crowd constantly. Now they're simply skipping the ordeal, that same crowd wants to double down and treat it like an affront they wouldnt bother this time around. SP isnt dead, we just had God of War to cement that path. Not everything is for all audiences, let it go.

I don't know much about COD but if people are complaining about the single player they probably want it done better, not eliminated. Eliminated the single player and still charging $60.

Seriously no one was talking about COD SP (For almost a decade) until it was removed, suddenly SP in COD is VERY important.

Why is the battle royal thing bad?

It's an additional mode. More modes are good right? Maybe it will flop like " Uplink" Maybe it'll be good?

Y'all been ripping on CoD for a decade. Make like Elsa and " Let it go".

I only buy treyarch games for TDM myself. Other games offer less.

Battle Royale is popular so it's bad, COD is popular so it's bad, can you imagine how mad people are now when they've finally fused?

 

[Worgen]

You forgot the biggest sin. Its not being released on steam, its only coming to battle.net.

 

[Elijin]

Not everything is for all audiences, let it go.

I don't know much about COD but if people are complaining about the single player they probably want it done better, not eliminated. Eliminated the single player and still charging $60.

So uh, dont buy it then? In general, people need to stop buying products not aimed at them, then complaining its not aimed at them.

I won't be buying it but is it ok if I have an opinion?

I mean everyone has an opinion. As a general rule whenever you're leading it with "I dont know much about..." you should always consider whether it needs to be shared though.

 

[Hades]

I am amazed people care about the single player after we were told COD/BF/MOH single player sucks:

While I don't particuarly care about CoD, it's yet another series that's forsaken singleplayer for a multiplayer-only experience. And art, regardless of medium, doesn't exist in a vacuum. So while CoD is a "meh" from me, what happens if (or when) this trend starts affecting the series I DO like? I mean, arguably it already has.

CoD's well and truly into trend-following than trend-setting right now, but it's still an AAA franchise that's forsaken singleplayer, in a landscape where singleplayer games aren't as common as they once were.

That's also my biggest problem with it. COD is still a huge series with lots of eyes on it so that series abandoning singleplayer is bound to set a precedence. If this move proves to be successful then other companies will have every incentive to follow the bad precedence set by COD which will further harm the gaming landscape. I've got nothing against COD in general or even this game but I think it NEEDS to flop for the good of the industry.

 

[Lufia Erim]

Also, for the record, single player whingers need to pick a lane. These games get bashed by the SP crowd constantly. Now they're simply skipping the ordeal, that same crowd wants to double down and treat it like an affront they wouldnt bother this time around. SP isnt dead, we just had God of War to cement that path. Not everything is for all audiences, let it go.

Seriously no one was talking about COD SP (For almost a decade) until it was removed, suddenly SP in COD is VERY important.

ffs, the people that completely shat on the SP of these games and demanded it was removed were a vocal minority

Source?

Vocal minority seems to convienient an excuse. Kind of a cop out answer. " These guys disagree with me, therefore they are the vocal minority".

 

[Mcgeezaks]

Also, for the record, single player whingers need to pick a lane. These games get bashed by the SP crowd constantly. Now they're simply skipping the ordeal, that same crowd wants to double down and treat it like an affront they wouldnt bother this time around. SP isnt dead, we just had God of War to cement that path. Not everything is for all audiences, let it go.

Seriously no one was talking about COD SP (For almost a decade) until it was removed, suddenly SP in COD is VERY important.

ffs, the people that completely shat on the SP of these games and demanded it was removed were a vocal minority of pissbabies either doing hot takes to prove how "sm?rt und critical" they are, or MP obsessed toxic assholes who think they are the one true audience of the game they obsess over ('I mean, my friends all agree with me, clearly we're representative of everyone!)

the people playing SP however, didn't have a reason to complain outside of the individual qualities of certain games' campaigns because their existence wasn't in question, so they didn't, now they got shafted and so they complain

this is basic, it's like the idea of the people complaining being different individuals to the one shitting on SP doesn't even register with some of you, but you do like telling people to stuff their complaints anyways, really insightful that

and for the record, achievement/trophy completion data on consoles shows that SP is played by a significant portion of the audience, comparable to MP, obviously, the people playing MP spend more time on it overall, but the amount of people that play either mode is comparable in size

so stick that "durr nobody play SP in cod" fallacy elsewhere, congrats you regurgitated shit from the loud assholes and thought they spoke for everyone

Not sure how you got all this out of my comment. No one here said or advocated for the removal of the SP, just that it's not that big of a deal that the internet paints it up to be. I've bought every single Call of Duty on launch since Modern Warfare and these days I can safely say that I don't care if they include a single-player in their games anymore, they just aren't any good.

The lack of praise for them only reinforces that, maybe if people actually were vocal about their positive opinions about the singleplayer they wouldn't have removed it, I doubt they were going ''Let us remove the singleplayer even though it's so popular and loved by so many''. And what vocal minority? I can not remember seeing a single person saying they should remove the singleplayer, ever.

I can actually think for myself and form my own opinions, thank you very much.

 

[Hawki]

You forgot the biggest sin. Its not being released on steam, its only coming to battle.net.

That isn't a deadly sin. That's more like the part of the Bible that says you can't eat shellfish.

 

[Worgen]

You forgot the biggest sin. Its not being released on steam, its only coming to battle.net.

That isn't a deadly sin. That's more like the part of the Bible that says you can't eat shellfish.

A publisher making their own digital service and only releasing their games on it? That is the worst sin of all.

 

[Hawki]

You forgot the biggest sin. Its not being released on steam, its only coming to battle.net.

That isn't a deadly sin. That's more like the part of the Bible that says you can't eat shellfish.

A publisher making their own digital service and only releasing their games on it? That is the worst sin of all.

Yeah...no.

That kind of paradigm already exists (Valve games are only available on Steam after all, for instance), not to mention stuff like console exclusives and streaming exclusives in the TV landscape - world hasn't collapsed. The very worst thing that could happen is having to download another ap to your desktop, whereas the current 'sins' of Black Ops are tangible additions/subtractions.

 

[Worgen]

You forgot the biggest sin. Its not being released on steam, its only coming to battle.net.

That isn't a deadly sin. That's more like the part of the Bible that says you can't eat shellfish.

A publisher making their own digital service and only releasing their games on it? That is the worst sin of all.

Yeah...no.

That kind of paradigm already exists (Valve games are only available on Steam after all, for instance), not to mention stuff like console exclusives and streaming exclusives in the TV landscape - world hasn't collapsed. The very worst thing that could happen is having to download another ap to your desktop, whereas the current 'sins' of Black Ops are tangible additions/subtractions.

Except your wrong. Steam is open to pretty much everyone, but no we have a specific service for ea games, and now activision. Ubisoft will probably pull games to its own service too if it can ever make uplay not suck and I'm actually surprised that Bethesda hasn't tried its own service too since they seem to be dipping their toes into the waters of their own content delivery services.

 

[Hawki]

Except your wrong. Steam is open to pretty much everyone, but no we have a specific service for ea games, and now activision. Ubisoft will probably pull games to its own service too if it can ever make uplay not suck and I'm actually surprised that Bethesda hasn't tried its own service too since they seem to be dipping their toes into the waters of their own content delivery services.

Still exclusive to Valve though in the sense that its games aren't available elsewhere.

And fine, platforms being exclusive to publishers. Really don't see much of an issue here, or at the least, it's such a miniscule issue compared to everything else in the context.

 

[sXeth]

Except your wrong. Steam is open to pretty much everyone, but no we have a specific service for ea games, and now activision. Ubisoft will probably pull games to its own service too if it can ever make uplay not suck and I'm actually surprised that Bethesda hasn't tried its own service too since they seem to be dipping their toes into the waters of their own content delivery services.

Now I'm kind of curious, has anyone ever tried to get their game sold on Origin?

Well, google hasn't failed

While most results are for various forums discussing the subject, listing (amongst others) witcher 3 (which I was able to find myself) and Assassins Creed, there's this one list from EA's own
https://answers.ea.com/t5/Technical-Issues/How-to-find-non-EA-titles-in-Origin/td-p/4297216

And some fairly recent press on their subscription streaming thing getting a bunch of non-EA stuff
https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/8/17096690/ea-origin-access-subscription-service-warner-bros-batman-the-witness-wasteland-2-publishers

 

[Worgen]

Except your wrong. Steam is open to pretty much everyone, but no we have a specific service for ea games, and now activision. Ubisoft will probably pull games to its own service too if it can ever make uplay not suck and I'm actually surprised that Bethesda hasn't tried its own service too since they seem to be dipping their toes into the waters of their own content delivery services.

Still exclusive to Valve though in the sense that its games aren't available elsewhere.

And fine, platforms being exclusive to publishers. Really don't see much of an issue here, or at the least, it's such a miniscule issue compared to everything else in the context.

We've already seen it causing issues. Like when cod infinite warfare released on steam and the windows store, but if you bought it on the windows store you couldn't play multi with users on steam.

 

[Hawki]

We've already seen it causing issues. Like when cod infinite warfare released on steam and the windows store, but if you bought it on the windows store you couldn't play multi with users on steam.

...so, the problem of a game being on a single service, is demonstrated as being a problem by being released on more than one service?

Right...

 

[Worgen]

We've already seen it causing issues. Like when cod infinite warfare released on steam and the windows store, but if you bought it on the windows store you couldn't play multi with users on steam.

...so, the problem of a game being on a single service, is demonstrated as being a problem by being released on more than one service?

Right...

Did you stop reading when you hit the first comma? The issue is that the services won't talk to each other and end up walling off the player base from playing with each other. You end up in a situation where if you want to play with your friends, you have to all make sure to buy from the same service.

 

[Hawki]

Did you stop reading when you hit the first comma? The issue is that the services won't talk to each other and end up walling off the player base from playing with each other.

Which is an issue that literally can't exist if the service is confined to a single platform. The issue you described literally cannot occur under battle.net (or any other game platform).

 

[sXeth]

Well the ultimate end of that take (which is not entirely invalid), is that either all store platforms should be neutral third parties or at least irrelevant to game functionality.

Option A is pretty dead in the water. Steam is Valve, Windows store is MS. GOG is CDPR. Even Green Man is a publisher on the side. Granted, of those 4, its really only Valve and Microsoft that keep having pissing matches with each other periodically. Either way, no external investors seem to be leaping to set up a digital retail store in the pool.

The second one is more likely to happen, whether via push form playerbase, or a push form publishers. Hell, that might be why Activision took over, if they'd already been burnt by that Inifnite Warfare/MWRM thing dealing with others. Of course that suffers from burying the customer in piles of different accounts they need to keep track of.

 

[Bob_McMillan]

I hate Treyarch's aesthetic. Everything's so goddamn overdesigned I can't tell what the fuck I'm looking at. Not to mention it makes the difference between this game and BLOPS 3 and Advanced Warfare and IW even more blurred.

The sad thing is I wouldn't mind a battle royal game with good gunplay (PUBG's can be too annoying and Fortnite's is just garbage), but if it's coming from CoD, then eh.