The simplest, easiest, cleanest way to fix the ME3 ending.

[Innegativeion]

In addition to Loop Stricken's last point, you should be aware that the ME3 ending directly contradicts countless official statements and promises put forth by Bioware regarding the ending's nature and content.

Honestly, if you refuse to believe the ending's content should be considered, you're arguing a self-fulfilling fallacious argument. Come back after playing the ME trilogy and then I'll taking your opinion on more solid ground.

 

[Riddle78]

I never played the game. I never saw the ending. Personally? I don't care if the ending is,quote-unquote crap.

Well we do. 40 hours is a long time to pump into a game only to be spoon fed a big fuck you at the end! As a fan of the series, and having played all 3 games, i am in a much better position to give an informed opinion. ' I haven?t played it but its a good game' is what you?re saying in a nutshell? Please, post no more dribble and save yourself further flaming and embarrassment.

What I'm saying is that I haven't played the game,but I know that the Retake Mass Effect Movement is baseless and flawed. The movement is almost solely fueled by vitrol and self-centred entitlement. The players didn't like the ending,and are demanding that the writers rewrite continuity of a universe built solidly upon it's lore and story. That kind of change cannot happen without changing something else,which will change something else,and snowball from there. You are the consumer. Your power is forfiet once you pay the producer for product. After that,you have no legitimate say in the final product. Yes,you are allowed to be unhappy and dissatisfied. No,you're not allowed to demand that they take it back,because it's like paying to watch a Micheal Bay flick and demanding your money back because the film featured more explosions than actual characters and characterization.

Retake Mass Effect is,simply put,built the wrong way,and thus wrong as a whole. If people instead tried to be rational,the public response would've been more sympathetic,and BioWare would've probably made a better response to the movement,or their next product would've addressed the points of dissatisfaction.

 

[Innegativeion]

What I'm saying is that I haven't played the game,but I know that the Retake Mass Effect Movement is baseless and flawed. The movement is almost solely fueled by vitrol and self-centred entitlement. The players didn't like the ending,and are demanding that the writers rewrite continuity of a universe built solidly upon it's lore and story. That kind of change cannot happen without changing something else,which will change something else,and snowball from there.

Ok ok ok, you have have HAVE to take this on faith from me.

The above quote alone proves your opinion will be VASTLY different after playing ME3, and you will understand why as well. If it doesn't make you angry about the ending, it will at least make you tolerant of people who are.

 

[Loop Stricken]

The players didn't like the ending,and are demanding that the writers rewrite continuity of a universe built solidly upon it's lore and story.

But the ending itself IS NOT built solidly upon its lore and story. it is an out-of-nowhere Do-what-I-say-no-asking-questions choice to decide what colour you want the bland ending cinematic to play out with.

Which part of Mass Effect has been about NOT asking questions? About NOT exploring possibilities? About doing exactly as you're told?
And the endings themselves?

Spoiler

Where's all the races we saved? Where's the fleets? We see humans on earth, reapers, COLOUR! Explosions, Normandy crashes, Buzz Aldrin.

I'm not even exaggerating - it's that bland and uninspired and ineffective.
The continuity of the ending itself is... well how did my squad get from London to the Normandy? Why are they running away?
Crucially, what happens after?!

The spanking the ending gave my poor arse would be soothed somewhat by telling me just what the Hell happened after Shepard tasted the rainbow. But no, we get nothing but a "thanks for playing, buy our DLC" screen.

For my part, everything up until the glowing elevator was fantastic. Bioware could've ended it there, had the Catalyst machine send out a pulse to nuke the Reapers or something, Shepard dies of blood loss, tragedy but galaxy saved. Here's how your surviving friends ended up. Great ending, tears are shed, game reloaded for another run.
But no.

And even THAT would be against Bioware's original statements that there would be multiple endings taking into account a trilogy's worth of choices.

 

[Smiley Face]

I'm probably going to get REALLY unpopular for saying this,but the easiest way to fix the ending?

Don't touch it you self-righteous entitled rube. I never played the game. I never saw the ending. Personally? I don't care if the ending is,quote-unquote crap. I care about the experience of the game. The ending is important in that,but the ending was made by the writers and I can guarantee it makes sense with the story,and therefore NEEDS NO CHANGING. When you buy product,you take the risk of not liking said product,in part or in whole. Suck it up,deal with it,and move on.

BioWare only owes you product upon rendering payment. That's it,that's all. If you feel let down,then fine. Don't suggest or demand ways to alter it. It's a finished product.

Don't touch it you self-righteous entitled rube. I never played the game.

And that's why you should stop talking.

It's why I should continue talking. The outsider's opinion is always neutral. And what I think,after weighing in on everything I've seen over this whole "Retake Mass Effect" crap? The people don't like the ending because it's not what they wanted/expected. So now they demand BioWare to retcon that? I don't know about you,but it sounds like a worse argument than "I'm God because I grow broccoli". Baseless. Worthless. Demeaning. I never saw the ending,but guess what? I don't need to see the so called "horrible ending" to know that the argument for this is just flawes and fueled solely by gamers thinking that they can demand whatever they want,and be fulfilled.

Think about it. The uninformed,unproffessional consumer is demaning the very well informed and very much proffessional producer to change their work,solely on the basis that they don't like it. The magnitude of the outcry doesn't mean anything. The number of people dissatisfied doesn't factor into this. At it's core level,this ridiculous movement is just that: Ridiculous.

If I were in charge of handling this situation,I would've told the people to suck it up and deal with what they got,however their discontent will be taken into consideration for the next product.

Few things. #1, don't call someone a "self-righteous entitled rube" right out of the gate, especially when from their initial post, they're making a suggestion, not a demand - if you're obnoxiously rude, and wrong about it, right out of the gate, you're not going to get far. #2, you're just making things worse for yourself by making more disingenuous assertions. No one here is "demanding" anything. We're reasonable people, we understand that it's unlikely BioWare's going to do much, and we understand that they don't have to. What we are saying is that, while they don't HAVE to change it, they SHOULD. Which brings us to: #3, return of the disingenuous assertions.

I don't care if the ending is,quote-unquote crap. I care about the experience of the game. The ending is important in that,but the ending was made by the writers and I can guarantee it makes sense with the story,and therefore NEEDS NO CHANGING. When you buy product,you take the risk of not liking said product,in part or in whole. Suck it up, deal with it,and move on.

I can guarantee it makes sense with the story

But it DOESN'T. That's why people are in such a kerfuffle - yes, people die, boo-hoo, that happens in stories - but the bigger problem is that the ending, logically, does not make sense. It certainly doesn't make sense within the context of the game as a whole, which you claim to value - the sheer tonal whiplash alone stuns you for a while before you realize that what's going on actually doesn't make any damned sense. And that's what people have a problem with. It could obviously be better. We don't see any reason why it shouldn't be. We're pointing that out. And then people start yelling about artistic integrity and caveat emptor - we're just saying that it could have been a lot better.

#4: While the outsider's opinion can be valuable at times, it is not the be-all and end-all, particularly if it is an outsider who doesn't have all the facts/is making incorrect assumptions. There's the well-informed outsider, the neutral party, and then there's the uninformed outsider, the ignorant party. Also, forgive me for saying so, but the amount of bile and bias you're putting out makes it pretty clear that you aren't neutral in this discussion.

I think that covers it, let me know if I missed anything.

 

[Riddle78]

What I'm saying is that I haven't played the game,but I know that the Retake Mass Effect Movement is baseless and flawed. The movement is almost solely fueled by vitrol and self-centred entitlement. The players didn't like the ending,and are demanding that the writers rewrite continuity of a universe built solidly upon it's lore and story. That kind of change cannot happen without changing something else,which will change something else,and snowball from there.

Ok ok ok, you have have HAVE to take this on faith from me.

The above quote alone proves your opinion will be VASTLY different after playing ME3, and you will understand why as well. If it doesn't make you angry about the ending, it will at least make you tolerant of people who are.

My argument is not based on the game. It is based on the motivations,precieved or otherwise,of the people who back Retake Mass Effect. I oppose the movement because,after evaluating the points presented by all sides without spoiling myself,I have concluded that the Retake Movement is wrong due to the fact that,as CONSUMERS that have PAID FOR THE PRODUCT,they have FORFIETED THEIR POWER IN THE CONSUMER-PRODUCER RELATIONSHIP,and ergo have no right to make such forceful demands on the producers.

I may or may not like the ending. However,I will not become sympathetic. Because to become sympathetic would violate my core philosophies involved in consumerism,which are laid out plain as day in my previous posts.

 

[dragonswarrior]

What I'm saying is that I haven't played the game,but I know that the Retake Mass Effect Movement is baseless and flawed.

Guys he is trolling.

OT: yes, it would have been better than what we got. But it still doesn't REALLY fix anything. Though if the point you're making is that, hey, Bioware, it'd seriously take you a day to make the ending better thats how crap it was to begin with, than I fully agree with you.

 

[Loop Stricken]

My argument is not based on the game.

Maybe it should be, since we're talking about the game.
All you seem to want to do is moan about how people aren't acting like you want them to.

If customers said nothing and accepted poor quality, the developer would think it is okay.
The developer would them haemorrhage money when their next product, designed around the accepted values of the previous one, tanked.
Bad thing.

 

[Innegativeion]

My argument is not based on the game. It is based on the motivations,precieved or otherwise,of the people who back Retake Mass Effect. I oppose the movement because,after evaluating the points presented by all sides without spoiling myself,I have concluded that the Retake Movement is wrong due to the fact that,as CONSUMERS that have PAID FOR THE PRODUCT,they have FORFIETED THEIR POWER IN THE CONSUMER-PRODUCER RELATIONSHIP,and ergo have no right to make such forceful demands on the producers.

I may or may not like the ending. However,I will not become sympathetic. Because to become sympathetic would violate my core philosophies involved in consumerism,which are laid out plain as day in my previous posts.

But you DON'T think Bioware has violated the sanctity of the consumer-producer agreement by selling us a product under false pretenses?

That is, an ending that doesn't deliver on ANY of their countless promises, and even directly contradicts some, and betrays the artistic merit of the first two games and 95% of the third. Of course, you would not know this, as you refused to restrain yourself from weighing in until you saw the ending yourself.

 

[Innegativeion]

Maybe it should be, since we're talking about the game.
All you seem to want to do is moan about how people aren't acting like you want them to.

If customers said nothing and accepted poor quality, the developer would think it is okay.
The developer would them haemorrhage money when their next product, designed around the accepted values of the previous one, tanked.
Bad thing.

Yes, the issue here seems to be

"When I finish reading this book it punches me in the face, and yet the book's author promises it would instead release a fresh pine scent, and even specifically said there would be no face-punching of any kind."

Riddle would argue that by buying the book we have to accept this questionable feature. No demand of a recall or anything.

The difference being, where a face-punching book would need a recall, all we need from a software developer is a downloadable piece of content.


*edit: FML double post.

 

[Sniper Team 4]

Why do so many people want Shepard to die? I want my Shepard to live and have a happy life with Liara.

I think they can fix the game by not bringing ANY of the actors back. Just give us additional scenes with music and sound effects--no talking. It was done in Mass Effect 2's ending when Shepard was running back to the ship. Granted, Harrbinger was talking, but it proved that you could still have a good, dramatic scene without any of the crew talking.

Paragon ending shows everyone fighting together, beating the Reapers back, and Shepard still alive, with optional romance interest.
Renegade shows everyone fighting, lots of sacrifice and some people dying, and depending on actions, Shepard is alive at the end or dies saving the planet.

They gave players pretty much whatever ending they wanted in the other two games, so why couldn't they give players endings in this game? If you want your Shepard and crew to die, then I'm sure they could have come up with an ending for that. If you, like me, wanted her to live, they could have come up with an ending for that.

 

[Nargleblarg]

What I'm saying is that I haven't played the game,but I know that the Retake Mass Effect Movement is baseless and flawed. The movement is almost solely fueled by vitrol and self-centred entitlement. The players didn't like the ending,and are demanding that the writers rewrite continuity of a universe built solidly upon it's lore and story. That kind of change cannot happen without changing something else,which will change something else,and snowball from there.

Ok ok ok, you have have HAVE to take this on faith from me.

The above quote alone proves your opinion will be VASTLY different after playing ME3, and you will understand why as well. If it doesn't make you angry about the ending, it will at least make you tolerant of people who are.

My argument is not based on the game. It is based on the motivations,precieved or otherwise,of the people who back Retake Mass Effect. I oppose the movement because,after evaluating the points presented by all sides without spoiling myself,I have concluded that the Retake Movement is wrong due to the fact that,as CONSUMERS that have PAID FOR THE PRODUCT,they have FORFIETED THEIR POWER IN THE CONSUMER-PRODUCER RELATIONSHIP,and ergo have no right to make such forceful demands on the producers.

I may or may not like the ending. However,I will not become sympathetic. Because to become sympathetic would violate my core philosophies involved in consumerism,which are laid out plain as day in my previous posts.

A.) by your logic in all consumer situations videogames included it is wrong to have consumer protection rights...........ok so let people ignorant of their money and essentially be slaves to big business. Also I don't know how they do it in whatever magical place you apparently come from but that is not how a commercial exchange works. It's not just you've paid GTFO; faulty products are made and no company is perfect that's why there are steps made through product assurance, Quality control, tech support, recalls, and returns which extend the Consumer relationship.

B.) And just for reference having no knowledge on a subject and making assumptions based on ignorance is a logical fallacy within itself. Now researching said subject and then basing your opinion on that knowledge is fine. Then if you understand the content and still dislike it then wonderful you now have a structured opinion. But just don't expect to be taken seriously by just assuming without the facts.

C.) if the dislike is just based upon the movement itself then just simply ignore it and stay out of forums like this. It's not hard to do.

D.) also welcome back Zeel

 

[RatRace123]

Never have Shepard go up on the glowing elevator platform and meet the god-child.

I would've had the game end with Shepard and Anderson, and in the last moments of their lives the mentor tells the student, as possibly the only father figure Shepard's known, that he's proud and the two look off at the view of earth and the crucible fires; the Reaper's can be seen all across the system getting destroyed one by one as Shepard knows now once and for all that Earth and the galaxy has been saved.

I wouldn't care if Shepard died or not, but I do know that the final moment between Him/Her and Anderson is the most powerful moment in the game for me and I really think it's what it should've ended on.

 

[VoidWanderer]

From what I can ascertain, it's not that the ending is actually bad, just horribly lacking in context and consequence...

Would that about sum it up? So if the ending actually made sense that should reduce the level of rage people have...

Right?

 

[Innegativeion]

From what I can ascertain, it's not that the ending is actually bad, just horribly lacking in context and consequence...

Would that about sum it up? So if the ending actually made sense that should reduce the level of rage people have...

Right?

I have my doubts than any amount of context and consequence could make sense of this abortion of an ending,

which is why the epilogue DLC makes me quite anxious. Bioware may have saved themselves with it, but they could just as easily reignite the fanrage against them.

 

[Loop Stricken]

Why do so many people want Shepard to die?

I don't WANT Shepard to die, but if Bioware insist on shoving some wangsty gravitas in our faces, having Shep die shortly after fulfilling their three-game mission is much better than I AM STARCHILD, TASTE THE RAINBOW.

 

[TheVioletBandit]

Burning the disk is probably the quickest easiest fix, and it involves fire!

 

[Loop Stricken]

Burning the disk is probably the quickest easiest fix, and it involves fire!

I can't do that; Tali lives there!
[sub][sub]There, and in my heart.[/sub][/sub]

 

[Elamdri]

First, spoilers, obviously. You should expect that here anyway.

So...I've thought about this a while. I've decided that maybe the issue here is that BioWare is having trouble trying to come up with an ending they can make on a budget of $0 that will make us happy. Maybe not, but if so, I have a simple, easy solution. It doesn't fix all the plot holes, but it DOES give us an option which allows us to actually save the galaxy. Yanno, relays intact. The trade-off, of course, is that doing so means killing everyone on the Normandy (which seems like a small price to pay if it works.)

So, Shepard chooses the destroy ending. Then, he has a paragon interrupt that requires a nearly-perfect paragon score to use. If the check succeeds, he radios Joker and tells him to fly the Normandy directly into the beam - absorbing enough of the energy that the Sol Relay is damaged, but not destroyed, and with repairs will become functional again. Doing this, of course, kills the Normandy, Joker, and everyone else on board, but it's not like Shepard has never ordered Alliance solders to their death for the cause.

Best part? This requires 0 new cutscenes and less than 10 lines of dialog from only 3 actors (2 sheps and Joker). That's it. They can repurpose the same graphic of the Normandy being destroyed/damaged/chased by the beam (with some minor edits, maybe) and that's it. This could be done in a single day at BioWare.

That, and frankly, this is the ending I would've chosen even IF there was a fairy tale alternative. I don't expect everyone to live. I expect my beloved friends will have to die to save the galaxy. But simply stranding all of the known universe in a system with 1 half-ruined habitable planet is NOT saving anything. With the relays in tact, everything can be rebuilt in time. Personally, I would PREFER to choose to kill Shep and crew in order to achieve this. It just seems like a fair price to pay for a real victory.

That wouldn't fix anything. The whole point of the relays exploding was to spread the SPACE MAAAAAAGIC across the galaxy. In your ending, the relays don't explode, so only the reapers on Earth die, so... the galaxy is still screwed because there are still reapers all over the galaxy.

 

[Darknacht]

I have an even better solution:
When shit starts hitting the fan just have the reapers kill everyone and win. This would take very little time to implement and would fix all of the plot holes.