The slut issue

[Shadowstar38]

Okay, so in other words you don't get how there's another option between face value and taking it negatively.

I didn't say that...

Well you're defending your dishonest representation again.

but face value isn't the only way to take it besides negatively.

You said it right there even. I get this.

Which is why assuming I said negatively was incorrect when all I did was say face value was not a reasonable option.

I am not being dishonest or defending a dishonest representation.

Saying that I am, over and over, doesnt make it more true.

I pointed out it was wrong and you're back to saying it's true, so at this point dishonesty is the obvious answer.

Plus you always fail to address inconvenient parts of my posts.

I guess by inconvenient you mean the second part. The thing we were atually talking about. You keep coming back to me being dishonest. Which I've establish is something we can't agree on. Stop going back to that and I can actually get to the part that matters.

 

[Risingblade]

Apparently judging others makes you a bad person. Meh who cares slut slut sluttily slut slut slut.

 

[Caffiene]

Let me get this right.
Liars - lie.
Cheaters - cheat.
Gamers - game.
So sluts must.... slut?

This.

Liar, Cheater and Gamer are all the direct noun form of the verb. "Slut" is not related (etymologically speaking) in any way to sex or sleeping with people - there is no pattern there, it has nothing in common with the other words. Sex doesnt even have a verb sense like lie, cheat and game do - there is no such word as a "sexer" (edit: except for a person whose job is to determine gender, usually of livestock animals).

At best, the line of reasoning in the OP could vaguely argue that a slut is somebody who "sluts". Again, that proves nothing about how it relates to sex.

If OP really wants a word that fits the pattern - try "copulator", or "fornicator". Both words that directly mean "somebody who has sex", and dont have additional insult or judgement attached.

 

[Shadowstar38]

When you only reply to the part where I point out you're dishonest you're the one refusing to get back to matters. Sorry, but I think we're a bit old for "You're making me not reply to the relevant part!"

Everything else I've said has been retorted with, "You're lying" Why would I put in the effort of writing out a paragraph if that's all I going to get in return. This is getting silly.

You think I'm dishonest. I think I'm honest.
You think I'm missing something. I think I'm clear on everything.

We are not gaining anything right now.

Let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

 

[Slayer_2]

Because "gamer" isn't usually used as an insult. Cheater, maybe. The problem with the term "slut" is that it further propagates the idea that women have to be sexually "pure" and show restraint, while men must fuck whoever will let them.

 

[Shadowstar38]

I'm obviously right

You think you're right. I think differently. Differing opinions here. That's about the length of it.

 

[Stasisesque]

Let me get this right.
Liars - lie.
Cheaters - cheat.
Gamers - game.
So sluts must.... slut?

This.

Liar, Cheater and Gamer are all the direct noun form of the verb. "Slut" is not related (etymologically speaking) in any way to sex or sleeping with people - there is no pattern there, it has nothing in common with the other words. Sex doesnt even have a verb sense like lie, cheat and game do - there is no such word as a "sexer".

At best, the line of reasoning in the OP could vaguely argue that a slut is somebody who "sluts". Again, that proves nothing about how it relates to sex.

If OP really wants a word that fits the pattern - try "copulator", or "fornicator". Both words that directly mean "somebody who has sex", and dont have additional insult or judgement attached.

Actually it does

Liars - lie.
Cheaters - cheat.
Gamers - game.
Sluts - Slattern

Slut or slattern is a term applied to an individual who is considered to have loose sexual morals or who is sexually promiscuous.

Slattern is a noun. You've just said exactly what was said before you, but you're using a synonym.

If, taking this and your previous post citing histrionic personality disorder, these things are true, then why aren't we referring to men as 'sluts' for doing exactly the same thing? Why are men praised for their actions, while women are demonised?

 

[peruvianskys]

If, taking this and your previous post citing histrionic personality disorder, these things are true, then why aren't we referring to men as 'sluts' for doing exactly the same thing? Why are men praised for their actions, while women are demonised?

This is the important question.

I think it's tacky and self-indulgent when any person has a lot of empty sex, but "slut" definitely carries a misogynistic emphasis. Until the time when men and women are held to equal cultural standards regarding sexuality, slut doesn't mean anything except "woman with the audacity to act like a man."

 

[Heaven's Guardian]

Of course it isn't "wrong". The word is meant as a pejorative for a socially undesirable behaviour, just like all the other labels. Its negative connotations are because society generally views this kind of behaviour as bad, so the word doesn't really get used in an impartial sense, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with it as a word. Is it judgmental? Yes, but anyone who claims to be non-judgmental is a liar or an idiot. We all decide which behaviours we find to be positive, negative and neutral, and choose to interact socially with people based on those judgments. So the word can hardly be called "wrong", because it judges people based on their actions, just like the examples the OP gave. If certain people don't like the judgment, they don't have to, but it's hardly an unfair judgment and so everyone who finds the word insulting will just have to deal with it.

 

[Sonic Doctor]

Because... "slut" is an insult. Some people don't consider sleeping around a bad thing.

Plus it is such a misused term anyway.

Example of misuse:

I've heard of people calling a girl such after she had been with two people within a little over two year period.

The second one I've heard some one calling a girl such when she had sex one time before she was married.

 

[Twilight_guy]

Because slut has a negative connotation, the various other words have more neutral connotations. Also, slut is not an indicator of having lots of sex its a notion of someone being sexually lose and reckless or easy. Sleeper or sexer would be the equivalent word using a similar word construction.

 

[Shadowstar38]

I'm obviously right

You think you're right. I think differently. Differing opinions here. That's about the length of it.

I backed it up with an argument. You just deny. And give meaningless platitudes like "agree to disagree".

Flawed argument. I never put words in your mouth. Therefore I never misrepresented anything.

Taking the word at face value is absurd is what I got out of your side.

Me
-taking it negatively is just as absurd.

that didnt excluded everything else is could possibly be. I didnt put it as an either or. But really the point of the statement I made was, without context you have nowhere to go except the pure definition, aka, face value.

 

[Stasisesque]

Slattern is a noun. You've just said exactly what was said before you, but you're using a synonym.

Thats because Slattern is also an Noun as Adjective. Kind of like how mountain & bike are both nouns, but if you combine them then mountain becomes an adjective. Slattern is the same: Its a noun as an adjective.

Understand that you are now arguing with an academic librarian on the usage of the english language.

Slatternly is an adjective. Slattern is a noun.

How would 'slattern' become a noun as adjective? Slat tern? Which part of the word is the noun, which part is the adjective?