Austichar said:
Okay, so I've been reading this thread for a while and I've been keeping my mouth shut since I didn't really want to get involved but with people talking about the Holly aspect and whatnot, I feel I should probably offer my story and two-cents involving that woman and to possibly help peoples' opinions on what may have gone down. This is a bit personal, and involved me and my "ex", so it may be long, so I'll put a tl;dr at the bottom for conveniences sake.
But basically I have no doubt in my mind that Holly was a big factor in what happened. Especially with her siding with Lupa and Scarlet. Holly is a MAJOR drama queen and will pretty much side with the girls in many issues. Especially when a guy is involved on the other side. I was an admin on Blistered Thumbs through Angry Joe and was set to start doing a machinima series for them, but I took a hiatus to focus on college and get my editing skillz better. http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/2010/12/thtbs-fable-3-dlc-disgraceful/ (Proof for peoplez)
At the same time I got extremely close to a girl (We'll call her Carie) who started doing vids and was trying to get on the site as well. Blah blah stuff went on and eventually we met at MAGfest '12. Well somehow we started hanging with Holly and a few other people. Well Holly started a joke about Welshy and his gf and they kept overdoing it by making a fake twitter and posting insults about Welshy's gf on it. Well on the 3rd night of magfest there was a party in Carie's room and I got pretty damn drunk. I'm not of the legal drinking age and security was coming up for noise complaints, so I had to go back to my room across the street and Holly was gonna help me to it. Well as we were walking away from the party security came to the door and Holly told me to go to my room as she ran back to Carie's room. So I was left to go to my room by myself. (don't even know how I got to it lol)
Well at the room I called a "friend" who was close friends with Welshy and accidentally told the joke to her. Well she told Welshy a few days later and he got pissed at Holly. Holly lied and said "Oh i didnt do anything, other people made the joke and I wasn't even laughing. I wanted them to stop, but didnt want to start an argument". Bullshit. He told her that I was the one and leaked it and she got PISSED. Really pissed.
Around the same time some things happened between Carie and I that soured our relationship, but we were going to work through it. Well Holly starting making up bullshit and telling Carie about it. Like saying I crawled into her bed and did stuff to her (I passed out drunk while everyone was in the room and woke up with all my clothes and shoes on so nothing happened), claiming that I was gay, calling me a stalker ( I had only sent Carie two messages, one asking to talk things out and the other about Skyrim), and a bunch of other bullshit that terrified poor Carie to the point where she hid in her room with a shotgun for a day. Around the same time I started receiving death threats in email and shit from a bunch of made up email addresses. No idea who sent them.
In the end Carie ended up blocking me everywhere, I got banned from TGWTG and everyone there except Angry Joe probably thinks I'm some psychopath stalker now, got sent into a huge depression and ended up failing college as a result.
But so yeah, that's my experience with Holly. Fuck Holly she's a drama queen ***** who'll manipulate people to get what she wants. I wouldn't be surprised if she made things worse under the surface. Granted Spoony definitely did fuck things up worse by flipping out at everyone, but I have a feeling Holly definitely had something more to do with it.
TL;DR Holly's a *****, wrecked my life. She'll lie and manipulate people to get her way. wouldn't be surprised if she made this worse in order to help her girlfriends.
Ok, this is Mat (or Welshy as I've been named in Austin's little rant) and seeing as he's in a tad of denial on the matter I want to clear up a few things, especially when is post is not only very misleading but very inaccurate. I also hope, seeing as I've joined just to air my side of the story (which is pretty boring if I'm honest) that this forum will not just accuse me of "white knighting" and actually read my post because, believe it or not, I tell the truth in these thing. Shocking I know.
Firstly, myself and Jen were not and have never dated and she wasn't my girlfriend, so you got that wrong, which doesn't bode well for the rest of your post and funnily enough, the only thing you supplied any proof for IS the only thing that's true.
Second, I know a gentleman called Stephen made up the joke, which Holly informed me of. She did not, nor has she ever blamed you for it and at no point has anyone ever said she did blame you. You also failed to point out that when our mutual friend told me about what had happened you blew up at her and sent some pretty disgusting messages to her. It was only when I contacted you and told you to step back that you apologised, so you're very prone to flying off the handle and no, I won't show the comments you made as it wouldn't be fair to you. That said, it's not fair that you've written a inaccurate essay about someone but be that as it may. Safe to say I wasn't kind to anyone when I discovered what pathetic children they'd been behind my back and all parties involved knew of it and what that has to do with you and "Carie" escapes me, especially when you were never blamed for it. The only reason you became involved in that story is because our mutual friend informed me and then YOU attacked her. It's all very well and good to paint yourself as the victum in this post but there are always 2 sides to every story and you're side of the story is COMPLETELY incorrect.
Third, you're not banned from TGWTG.
Fourth, I'm pretty sure "Carie" would disagree with your version of events, especially when you consider she told you straight up she did not want a relationship with you and you come across more than a tad obsessed in conversations and how you act around people, which...surprisingly, can put people off you and make them weary of you. Do you blame Holly for that too? Do you blame Holly for how YOU act? If you remember, in our chat, it was "Carie" who showed me what you had said, which led to me contacting you. You were out of line big time in how you acted and you acknowledged you were at fault. Now suddenly, you want to throw Holly under a bus. Is this to make yourself feel better, to make yourself feel important or because you want someone to blame for how you've acted? Simple matter is you love "Carie", she doesn't feel the same way about you in ANY way, shape or form and instead of being a man and accepting her decision and moving on, maybe wishing her well and wanting friendship, you're blaming other people. We all get our heart broken, not everyone we fall for, feels the same back, but looking for a scape goat in the matter? That's not an adult way of dealing with things and spinning this RIDICULOUS post to paint you as a victim, especially in light of my post, doesn't do you any favours.
Fifth, Holly sent you back to your room because if you'd have been caught drinking you'd have been busted and there were a bunch of security guys there so she was actually doing you a favour. You contacted "Carie" asking for a chance, one more chance and she said no. That wasn't Holly, that wasn't anyone other than "Carie" and her reaction was down to your actions. No whispering in other peoples ears and given how inaccurate your post is and has now been confirmed to be, any further conversation on this will just lead to you digging an even bigger hole for yourself with more and more exaggerated lies.
If you want to say anything more to me, you can say it on Skype, but I'd appreciate it if you not spread a whole load of BS about someone who, not only did none of the things you've said listed, but has actually kept secrets told to her and refuses to tell them simple out of making sure it doesn't come back as negative on you. Seeing as you've made this pretty inaccurate post about her, I'd not blame her if she did just write down her side of the story.
