The Spoony One has been ejected from That Guy With the Glasses.
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I used to watch a lot of TGWTG, I even came pretty close to doing some animation for the site. Honestly, their content mostly went south a while ago (or I just grew out of it, maybe a combination of the two). I'll still watch a bit of Doug or Brad once in a while, but that's about it. Regardless, Spoony was always one of the better contributors, but he has a long history of being a total jackass to both his fans and coworkers, so this isn't a real shock to me. I hope he manages to bounce back, but usually downward spirals don't just reverse themselves. It's sad, considering he'd managed to build up a fairly substantial fanbase, and now he's letting it all slip through his fingers. Though, I suppose the combination of depression and obvious anger issues is just a time bomb waiting to explode (or slowly erode away at itself and then explode, it would seem)
As a sidebar, I personally never liked Lupa. If her dredging all this up is true, that's a really, really shitty thing she did.
Also, if anyone cares to enlighten me, what happened at E3? I hadn't heard anything about that.
As a sidebar, I personally never liked Lupa. If her dredging all this up is true, that's a really, really shitty thing she did.
Also, if anyone cares to enlighten me, what happened at E3? I hadn't heard anything about that.
So far there have been allegations floating around that Spoony caused some drama at E3, I've read that he had some problems with XCOM, other say it had something to do with his Betrayal thing. The story really isn't clear, the only person that has really come out and said anything concrete is LordKat. LordKat said that developers did not want to talk to him because of his association with Spoony. I think Lupa said something about him being a dick at E3, but otherside not much else has been said about it, which leads some to suspect that the E3 thing was just a red herring thrown out there as an initial excuse for Spoony's dismissal, the accusation so far doesn't seem to have panned out.axlryder said:
Combined with what I know about how Noah acts, he brought all of this onto himself. All of it.
In summary, it's a cycle of self-destruction, we just get to see it unfold on an "Internet-Celebrity".
In summary, it's a cycle of self-destruction, we just get to see it unfold on an "Internet-Celebrity".
First, my research into some claims and backlash: LordKat and Lupa
LordKat posted an especially vile rant about how being associated with Spoony fucked over his interview chances at E3, and basically whined like a broken motor for a solid hour.
Ignoring the vitriol and some of the more questionable claims he makes this does put some things into perspective: in hindsight, the loss of E3 does coincide with the sharp drop in quality for his UWW videos and eventual departure from TGWTG (and yes, they pulled the same PR move as they did with Spoony, but with much less fanfare and attention; for obvious reasons).
Despite many of LordKat's claims to the contrary, he is VERY much like Spoony, at least as a reviewer and watching his content shows that he is prone to reusing the same joke, same taglines, and same style. He's just not as good at the comedic writing.
In fact, the manner in which he has responded to the situation with Spoony is very eerily similar to how Spoony has responded to his fanbase: backlash against the opposing fanbase, "Decree of the King" ego-driven mass-bannings in response to ANY dissenting criticism.
My point here: LordKat had beef with him because he was essentially redundant. The two of them are (in personality) far too much alike; two Alphas in the same pack, I suppose. But you will never get either of them to admit that.
Lupa is nothing more than the spark that lit the fire so she's become a pariah. Easy target.
Fact is, this shit has been building for a couple of years now. Spoony won a Webby let it go to his head, his girlfriend split (for whatever reason), health complications...yeah, Lupa didn't mastermind or engineer shit.
Dredging up a month-old post to get him fired? Please. Far-fetched doesn't begin to describe that. Spiteful and angry at Spoony's sexist antics on Twitter, yes. I can see her being spiteful because of that and events that happened between him and JesuOtaku.
But a scheme to get Spoony fired? That's not even funny ironically.
Her actions, in retrospect, are every bit as vile and hatefully bitter as LordKat's. It's VERY easy to pin this all on her. Regardless of her motivations, she earned no sympathy from me, "rape jokes are bad" or not.
Which comes back to the man of the hour: Noah Antwiler, aka "The Spoony One"
Simply put, I think he's a wildly bipolar individual. I saw his board gaming group do the Battlestar Galactica boardgame, and they did not come across as anything hateful, spiteful, etc.
In that, he seemed to be in his element, but totally out of character. Decent guy, good humor, not overtly hateful in the slightest.
His 2 hour rant with Brad Jones over Transformers 3 showed the same thing. He doesn't like acting like a total asshole in public, he claims he doesn't like thinking in certain ways.
Yet, once he gets onto Twitter, he's a raging asshole. He makes sexist comments, lets his ego rule completely over him and he isn't doing so ironically or in character. Public figures, no matter how great/small, are judged on their image. It's just part of the business.
Recently, Noah has gone into rejection-apathy mode, after angrily banning anyone with a differing opinion. I think at least subconsciously, he knows he's in deep shit now.
(Cripes, for the last month he's been quoting Lord Byron poetry, and that guy was one of the earliest examples of emo-drama...over a century before "emo" meant anything.)
But the point I'm building towards: The self-destructive cycle.
Spoony does nothing, becomes bored, and then lonely (pines over Scarlett; says he has no friends, etc). Finally gets off his ass and does a video, responds negatively to all criticism, and goes back to doing nothing.
With each cycle, he continues to find new ways to irritate his colleagues, alienate old friends, and piss off his dwindling fanbase.
Now, at last, it's blown up on him in a very public way.
He has real talent as a comedic actor, but he has to let go of all his bullshit attitude, ego, and emotional baggage. Given the rate in which he's going, I don't see TSE lasting another year. Channel Awesome was the tether that kept him afloat, and they've cut it.
LordKat posted an especially vile rant about how being associated with Spoony fucked over his interview chances at E3, and basically whined like a broken motor for a solid hour.
Ignoring the vitriol and some of the more questionable claims he makes this does put some things into perspective: in hindsight, the loss of E3 does coincide with the sharp drop in quality for his UWW videos and eventual departure from TGWTG (and yes, they pulled the same PR move as they did with Spoony, but with much less fanfare and attention; for obvious reasons).
Despite many of LordKat's claims to the contrary, he is VERY much like Spoony, at least as a reviewer and watching his content shows that he is prone to reusing the same joke, same taglines, and same style. He's just not as good at the comedic writing.
In fact, the manner in which he has responded to the situation with Spoony is very eerily similar to how Spoony has responded to his fanbase: backlash against the opposing fanbase, "Decree of the King" ego-driven mass-bannings in response to ANY dissenting criticism.
My point here: LordKat had beef with him because he was essentially redundant. The two of them are (in personality) far too much alike; two Alphas in the same pack, I suppose. But you will never get either of them to admit that.
Lupa is nothing more than the spark that lit the fire so she's become a pariah. Easy target.
Fact is, this shit has been building for a couple of years now. Spoony won a Webby let it go to his head, his girlfriend split (for whatever reason), health complications...yeah, Lupa didn't mastermind or engineer shit.
Dredging up a month-old post to get him fired? Please. Far-fetched doesn't begin to describe that. Spiteful and angry at Spoony's sexist antics on Twitter, yes. I can see her being spiteful because of that and events that happened between him and JesuOtaku.
But a scheme to get Spoony fired? That's not even funny ironically.
Her actions, in retrospect, are every bit as vile and hatefully bitter as LordKat's. It's VERY easy to pin this all on her. Regardless of her motivations, she earned no sympathy from me, "rape jokes are bad" or not.
Which comes back to the man of the hour: Noah Antwiler, aka "The Spoony One"
Simply put, I think he's a wildly bipolar individual. I saw his board gaming group do the Battlestar Galactica boardgame, and they did not come across as anything hateful, spiteful, etc.
In that, he seemed to be in his element, but totally out of character. Decent guy, good humor, not overtly hateful in the slightest.
His 2 hour rant with Brad Jones over Transformers 3 showed the same thing. He doesn't like acting like a total asshole in public, he claims he doesn't like thinking in certain ways.
Yet, once he gets onto Twitter, he's a raging asshole. He makes sexist comments, lets his ego rule completely over him and he isn't doing so ironically or in character. Public figures, no matter how great/small, are judged on their image. It's just part of the business.
Recently, Noah has gone into rejection-apathy mode, after angrily banning anyone with a differing opinion. I think at least subconsciously, he knows he's in deep shit now.
(Cripes, for the last month he's been quoting Lord Byron poetry, and that guy was one of the earliest examples of emo-drama...over a century before "emo" meant anything.)
But the point I'm building towards: The self-destructive cycle.
Spoony does nothing, becomes bored, and then lonely (pines over Scarlett; says he has no friends, etc). Finally gets off his ass and does a video, responds negatively to all criticism, and goes back to doing nothing.
With each cycle, he continues to find new ways to irritate his colleagues, alienate old friends, and piss off his dwindling fanbase.
Now, at last, it's blown up on him in a very public way.
He has real talent as a comedic actor, but he has to let go of all his bullshit attitude, ego, and emotional baggage. Given the rate in which he's going, I don't see TSE lasting another year. Channel Awesome was the tether that kept him afloat, and they've cut it.
I saw that shitfest live. And that's the time I became absolutely convinced that Spoony needs to change careers, and/or change his outlook on life if he doesn't want to end up in the shitter.erttheking said:
Oh, I remember this site! I used to watch some of their videos once. Dearie me, feels like a lifetime ago... And it seems I got out in time, things have gone rather rotten inside TGWTG.
Honestly, who replaced a fun site with some funny monologue-videos with a 15'th century Venetian court?
Honestly, who replaced a fun site with some funny monologue-videos with a 15'th century Venetian court?
The E3 thing seems to be the impitence behind Lupa's going over Spoony's head and getting him fired. As someone else pointed out, Hope Chapman (JO) had literally nothing to say about this WHEN IT HAPPENED and she was the one who SHOULD have been offended. Lupa dug this up months later and used it against Spoony in what I can only describe as an attempt at social climbing in a YouTube reviewer collective, which is sad and wrong on so many levels. I have no idea why Nash is involved but, I would imagine, because of loyalty to Lupa since Phelous and Lord Kat seem to be in it for that reason as well.
This also stinks of "settling old scores": apparently Scarlett, the ex of Spoony (word on the nets, because she cheated on him), is friends with Lupa and Lupa was pissed because Spoony basically said she (Scarlett) was a ***** and his fans took her to task for "twitter flirting" as Lupa put it, which I can only interpret as "cyber-sex" over twitter. Lord Kat seems to have a longstanding feud with Spoony, Phelous is Lupa's henchman/boyfriend, and Nash apparently was just pissed about the original incident (even though his girlfriend apparently was not) and loyal to Lupa. So in the end, it would appear, this whole thing is some kind of convoluted scheme but some other people to oust Spoony One because of old grudges and feuds the fans were only scarcely aware of until now.
Which I'm sure leaves people like Linkara, Brad Jones and Lindsay (all of whom, as far as I know, have yet to take sides or are actively trying to smother the flames) in a shitty position. I must say I'm also kind of sorry--well, not REALLY sorry--for Doug Walker who I'm sure has no stake in this and must feel very stupid with his website, his money and his time being caught in the middle of some squabble between Spoony, Spoony's Ex and her Friend (oh and Lord Kat) which appears to be the crux of this whole thing. And now Phelous and Lupa, and possibly others (?), are talking about breaking off. Wow. Just wow.
I'll say it again: it's hilarious to me how Channel Awesome suddenly became Dallas OVERNIGHT!
This also stinks of "settling old scores": apparently Scarlett, the ex of Spoony (word on the nets, because she cheated on him), is friends with Lupa and Lupa was pissed because Spoony basically said she (Scarlett) was a ***** and his fans took her to task for "twitter flirting" as Lupa put it, which I can only interpret as "cyber-sex" over twitter. Lord Kat seems to have a longstanding feud with Spoony, Phelous is Lupa's henchman/boyfriend, and Nash apparently was just pissed about the original incident (even though his girlfriend apparently was not) and loyal to Lupa. So in the end, it would appear, this whole thing is some kind of convoluted scheme but some other people to oust Spoony One because of old grudges and feuds the fans were only scarcely aware of until now.
Which I'm sure leaves people like Linkara, Brad Jones and Lindsay (all of whom, as far as I know, have yet to take sides or are actively trying to smother the flames) in a shitty position. I must say I'm also kind of sorry--well, not REALLY sorry--for Doug Walker who I'm sure has no stake in this and must feel very stupid with his website, his money and his time being caught in the middle of some squabble between Spoony, Spoony's Ex and her Friend (oh and Lord Kat) which appears to be the crux of this whole thing. And now Phelous and Lupa, and possibly others (?), are talking about breaking off. Wow. Just wow.
I'll say it again: it's hilarious to me how Channel Awesome suddenly became Dallas OVERNIGHT!
From what I heard, Nash has been staying out of it. Although if he was involved, it would likely be out of loyalty to Hope, not Alison.KrabbiPatty said:
Here, have some more. This is Scarlet's response to Lupa's actions.
http://scarlettopia.tumblr.com/post/25676334877/every-new-beginning-comes-from-some-other-beginnings
http://scarlettopia.tumblr.com/post/25676334877/every-new-beginning-comes-from-some-other-beginnings
Nash had been pissed, from what I heard, but that's the thing: his girlfriend is the one who (by no fault of her own) CAUSED all of this and the ONLY one who doesn't seem to be involved at all with it. As far as I can grasp, Chapman hasn't said a word about this since it happened and it was all dredged up just recently, long after she and Spoony apparently hashed out whatever issue they had.
In Nash's case though, I can somewhat understand. After all, if Hope didn't have a problem with it, she wouldn't have felt the need to tell Nash about it. So this could very well be the first Nash has heard about it. And seeing as he and Hope are serious enough to now be living together, he could see it as an attack on him as well. I do not fault Nash at all for being upset.KrabbiPatty said:
1) A lot of people haven't PUBLICLY voiced their opinion on it. Joe commented on being confused of the situation, but didn't comment on it. MarzGurl has said nothing. I do not follow CR, nor have I seen anything he has posted on TGWTGF. Lindsay has stayed neutral on blame, but has hoped that Spoony gets the help he needs and hopes the best for him. Paw has said nothing.ThunderCavalier said:
2) I have no idea. Apparently something with Spoony being associated with LordKat screwed over LK getting some kind of interview.....I myself don't have much information on what (if anything) happened at E3.
For number 2, this is the situation as I understand it. Apparently, the developers of XCom got upset over Spoony's "BETRAYAL!" rant, and understandably so. As a result, due to LK's close association to Spoony, they turned down LK's request for an interview, something that apparently still pisses him off.DJShire said:
Yes, they do get paid. The website, back in 2009, was bringing in $150,000 in ad revenue a month. In fact, Doug Walker, along with Bhargrav and Mike, were featured in that year's December issue of Entrepeneur magazine, and Doug quit his job in a car factory (in style, I might add) the year before to make a living off of TGWTG.somonels said:
It may have been directed to both of them, but I'm pretty sure it was only sent to Hope. And like I said, if she had no problem with it, she probably would have buried it. It just seems odd that Nash would wait until now to be offended by it, when he's never been shy of stating his opinions.Davroth said: