The Star Trek Movie pattern. How true is it really?

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

First Contact is the best Trek movie. That is all.

It's certainly the most rewatchable of them since it's the solid middle ground between the thinking earlier movies and the later action ones.

And at least for me since I was a kid when it came out, its legitimate scary. Cyborg zombies in small, dark, cramped environments. Oh and their immune to damage! Woof!

 

[Exley97_v1legacy]

Note, I am not factoring Abrams Star Trek, just from Motion Picture to Nemesis. Basically its like this, The Even-numbered movies are good, the Odd-numbered ones are bad. With Nemesis breaking that pattern by being a bad even numbered movie:

1. Motion Picture = Bad
2. Wrath of Khan = Good
3. The Search for Spock = Bad
4. The Voyage Home = Good
5. The Final Frontier = Bad
6. The Undiscovered Country = Good
7. Generations = Bad
8. First Contact = Good
9. Insurrection = Bad
10. Nemesis = THE WORSE STAR TREK MOVIE EVER, or so they say.

But I have seen all these movies before and really, I liked some of the movies that are deemed bad like the Search for Spock and Motion Picture and Nemesis, while I hated the movies that are deemed good like The Voyage Home.

And some of the bad movies I didn't find that bad at all like Generations.

What do you guys think?

As a lifelong Trek diehard, I've never subscribed to the odd/even numbered movie theory. And it's not because I love all of the movies (I don't). For example, I liked The Undiscovered Country when it came out (saw it twice in the theater), but I don't think the movie has aged well AT ALL. I think the general concept of the movie was fitting, and it's got a few awesome scenes, but it's filled with silly humor and corny moments and it wastes Christopher Plummer's villain. On the opposite end of the spectrum, I think the Search for Spock and Insurrection are excellent, with the latter probably being the most underrated of all the movies (yes, it's basically a two-hour episode but it's got an awesome premise, great character moments, and pretty good action/effects).

And I unconditionally love all of the reboots, including (especially?) Into Darkness. I understand all of the complaints about its obvious flaws (the Khan "reveal" being the most glaring example) but I don't care.

 

[Agema]

The Motion Picture - Average (a bit dull)
The Wrath of Khan - Great
The Search For Spock - Bad
The Voyage Home - Good
The Final Frontier - Terrible
The Undiscovered Country - Good
Generations - Bad
First Contact - Good
Insurrection - Bad
Nemesis - I don't think I've actually watched it.

Star Trek (2009) - Good
Into Darkness - Average
Beyond - Maybe it's good, maybe it's bad, but I mostly just remember being bored.

I think ST:TMP was aiming for a 2001: A Space Odyssey style sense of wonder. [footnote]Of course, many people would call 2001 dull too, although they should be put up against a wall and shot.[/footnote] I think for what Star Trek fans expected - a bit more of an action romp - it was therefore a disappointment even if the film itself is not bad.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

I've only seen the one about the whales. Is that one good or bad?

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

Ugh I have been actively trying to avoid this thread but it keeps coming back to the top. No it is not true and I find people making up even odd nonsense like this especially irritating. >:E

That's as nicely as I could possibly put it.

 

[Drathnoxis]

1. SamteMdo8. Believe it or not, my name has nothing to do with Nintendo.

However, I'm always going to read it as if it does.

I've only seen the one about the whales. Is that one good or bad?

That was a good one, The Voyage Home.

 

[Trunkage]

1. SamteMdo8. Believe it or not, my name has nothing to do with Nintendo.

However, I'm always going to read it as if it does.

Same here. I now try and just call them Aragon in my head due to his avatar

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

1. SamteMdo8. Believe it or not, my name has nothing to do with Nintendo.

However, I'm always going to read it as if it does.

Same here. I now try and just call them Aragon in my head due to his avatar

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[Trunkage]

1. SamteMdo8. Believe it or not, my name has nothing to do with Nintendo.

However, I'm always going to read it as if it does.

Same here. I now try and just call them Aragon in my head due to his avatar

Want to know the true meaning of my name?

Spoiler: S

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I don't know if you were actually showing me videos. I got literal nothing

 

[Chimpzy_v1legacy]

Spoiler

I don't know if you were actually showing me videos. I got literal nothing

Seems embedded videos don't work if you put one between spoiler tags.

Anyway, each letter of his name is the first letter of a trash metal band name:
Slayer, Anthrax, Metallica, Testament, Exodus, Megadeth, Death Angel, Overkill

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Spoiler

I don't know if you were actually showing me videos. I got literal nothing

Seems embedded videos don't work if you put one between spoiler tags.

Anyway, each letter of his name is the first letter of a trash metal band name:
Slayer, Anthrax, Metallica, Testament, Exodus, Megadeth, Death Angel, Overkill

I was a into Thrash Metal a lot back then and I am still a Thrash head now. I am just amazed those words would form the name I ended up with.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

1. SamteMdo8. Believe it or not, my name has nothing to do with Nintendo.

However, I'm always going to read it as if it does.

Same here. I now try and just call them Aragon in my head due to his avatar

Want to know the true meaning of my name?

Spoiler: S

Spoiler: A

Spoiler: M

Spoiler: T

Spoiler: E

Spoiler: M

Spoiler: D

Spoiler: O

At least you have good taste in music, the only way to see what you posted is to quote you and copy/paste links manually as embedded videos are still not working in spoilers, so everyone else just sees a blank space.

 

[Vanilla ISIS]

The Motion Picture is my favorite one so I highly disagree. It's the only one which actually feels like Star Trek.
Undiscovered Country is overrated, I don't know why people like it so much. Political drama and Cold War allegories, maybe?
Every TNG movie is bad, First Contact is the least bad but still, it's bad. It ruined the Borg by giving them a leader, it turned Picard into a gun toting badass instead of the collected diplomat he is on the show, it's like the writers didn't watch Star Trek and just read some summary before writing the script.

 

[Hawki]

Of course, many people would call 2001 dull too, although they should be put up against a wall and shot.

Guess you'll have to shoot me then. Just allow me to die with the novel in hand.

I've only seen the one about the whales. Is that one good or bad?

Most people would say good.

I'm not most people.

Undiscovered Country is overrated, I don't know why people like it so much. Political drama and Cold War allegories, maybe?

Well, considering that a solid portion of TOS is Cold War allagory...yes?