The story of Fallout: New Vegas falls apart near the end (help explain it please)

[TilMorrow]

Do you really think a guy who shot you in the head is going to work with you? He would spout any amount of bullshit to distract you and run off with whatever prize he can get. Also his idea of an 'independent' New Vegas was all a ruse to distract yesman and anyone else who asked as he aimed to take control of New Vegas for himself. Also he gets caught by the Legion as he trys to gauntlet run to Mr. House's underground bunker and either
A) Destroy the Securitrons there to weaken Mr. House if he somehow persuaded someone to activate them.
B) Upgrade them so when yesman takes control of the network then he has a powerful army of securitrons under his control.

I thought there was an option to help Benny when he is captured and escape via stealth boy but he leaves New Vegas for good when you do?

Also like someone previously mentioned your only half way through the game.

 

[GiantRaven]

There are worse stupid game breaking sections. I was siding with Mr. House but ended up helping the Brotherhood of Steel and being an honorary member before hand. One of his quests is to flat out kill them, all of them. I am now a member of their organization and they agreed to follow me into the fight for Hoover Dam for which ever side I'm backing but to finish with House I have to kill them, all of them.

That, my friend, is worse.

Why is that bad? Your association with the Brotherhood of Steel has no bearing on whether or not Mr. House wants them dead. Just because they trust you, it doesn't mean that Mr. House is going to ignore his reasons for wanting them dead, your standing has no bearing in this matter. As a player (and character) you are being forced to make a choice; do you care more for your new comrades or Mr. House's plan?

 

[NooNameLeft]

There are worse stupid game breaking sections. I was siding with Mr. House but ended up helping the Brotherhood of Steel and being an honorary member before hand. One of his quests is to flat out kill them, all of them. I am now a member of their organization and they agreed to follow me into the fight for Hoover Dam for which ever side I'm backing but to finish with House I have to kill them, all of them.

That, my friend, is worse.

Why is that bad? Your association with the Brotherhood of Steel has no bearing on whether or not Mr. House wants them dead. Just because they trust you, it doesn't mean that Mr. House is going to ignore his reasons for wanting them dead, your standing has no bearing in this matter. As a player (and character) you are being forced to make a choice; do you care more for your new comrades or Mr. House's plan?

The Brotherhood part really annoyed me because there is absolutely no way to not kill every single one of them unless you side with Yes Man.
In my opinion you should get the option to somehow trick Mr House\NCR\Legion to believe that the bunker is destroyed or maby convince the Brotherhood to leave the Mojave desert

 

[jboking]

And if that's a game breaker for you, then wow. You have some stupidly high standards.

It feels like I'm being punished for picking a social character. And for a social character to be betrayed, it just feels wrong.

So...because you decided to go into the wasteland, a violent land filled with murderers and manipulators, with a character that specializes in talking instead of fighting, you feel you shouldn't get betrayed? Benny is not interested in being in control of new vegas with you. The story didn't fall apart, you just seem to be naive enough to believe that any person can change simply by having someone talk to them.

(this coming from someone who chose to build a character around charisma, speech, and barter. My third tagged skill was guns, but that's because it's retarded to go into the wasteland without a specialization in some kind of fighting skill.)

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

The Brotherhood part really annoyed me because there is absolutely no way to not kill every single one of them unless you side with Yes Man.
In my opinion you should get the option to somehow trick Mr House\NCR\Legion to believe that the bunker is destroyed or maby convince the Brotherhood to leave the Mojave desert

Actually, it is possible. You have to go and do all their silly quests however and side with the guy who doesn't seem like a sociopath. Then it becomes possible to negotiate a truce between NCR and the Brotherhood that eventually blossoms into peace.

It also nets you power armor training and easy access to cheap high-tech gear.

 

[GBlair88]

What annoyed me was the fact I'd taken the time to build up relations with the NCR and the BoS hoping to have some powerful allies for when I took over New Vegas. Plus with my army of Mk.II securitrons the NCR wouldn't have to commit so many troops and resources to the area. But unfortunately because I'd helped Yes man I basically had to tell the NCR general to go fuck himself.

I understand that Obsidian can't make an ending for absolutely every scenario but I would've liked the option. Maybe just a conversation option where you inform the General of the new ownership and propose an alliance.

 

[Woem]

And if that's a game breaker for you, then wow. You have some stupidly high standards.

It feels like I'm being punished for picking a social character. And for a social character to be betrayed, it just feels wrong.

So...because you decided to go into the wasteland, a violent land filled with murderers and manipulators, with a character that specializes in talking instead of fighting, you feel you shouldn't get betrayed? Benny is not interested in being in control of new vegas with you. The story didn't fall apart, you just seem to be naive enough to believe that any person can change simply by having someone talk to them.

(this coming from someone who chose to build a character around charisma, speech, and barter. My third tagged skill was guns, but that's because it's retarded to go into the wasteland without a specialization in some kind of fighting skill.)

Since you build a charismatic character as well, I'm assuming you took the social path with Benny. Weren't you surprised that Benny set you up, instead of charming/deceiving him yourself? Or did you understand where things were going and kill him before he could leave?

 

[Booze Zombie]

You can let Benny leg it with a lockpick and a stealthboy.

 

[Woem]

You can let Benny leg it with a lockpick and a stealthboy.

Indeed, after which he betrays you for one last time.

 

[CATB320]

Because Benny's a snake, that's why.
Unless you just kill him immediately, Benny ends up betraying you and running away from New Vegas. He's not about to believe that some guy he shot in the head and left for dead wants a truce.

Although, my favorite method of confronting Benny is using the Black Widow perk. Hilarity ensues.

 

[jboking]

And if that's a game breaker for you, then wow. You have some stupidly high standards.

It feels like I'm being punished for picking a social character. And for a social character to be betrayed, it just feels wrong.

So...because you decided to go into the wasteland, a violent land filled with murderers and manipulators, with a character that specializes in talking instead of fighting, you feel you shouldn't get betrayed? Benny is not interested in being in control of new vegas with you. The story didn't fall apart, you just seem to be naive enough to believe that any person can change simply by having someone talk to them.

(this coming from someone who chose to build a character around charisma, speech, and barter. My third tagged skill was guns, but that's because it's retarded to go into the wasteland without a specialization in some kind of fighting skill.)

Since you build a charismatic character as well, I'm assuming you took the social path with Benny. Weren't you surprised that Benny set you up, instead of charming/deceiving him yourself? Or did you understand where things were going and kill him before he could leave?

Your second assumption was right, I took the social path and then shot him in the head as he walked away. It's fine to be trusting and social, it's not okay to be naieve. Benny is a user and total scum, plain and simple. Teaming up with him would make you completely socially unaware and also incredibly stupid. Also, think about it, he shot you in the head.

I'm actually shocked you let benny walk away.

 

[Woem]

I'm actually shocked you let benny walk away.

Well I did learn my lesson and didn't help him escape from the Legion. I'm looking forward to my second runthrough.

 

[370999]

Just because you can lie (and the game gives you options to lie in certain situations) doesn't mean noone else can. Benny lied to you and told you what you wanted to hear and you feel for it. Honestly he never seemed to have any intention of honouring the deal and expecting him to would eman you had to ignore the evidence you were being given of him being an absolute asshole.

I feel for it the first playthrough as well. Mind you my immediate thought was to punish the basterd rather then moral outrage but that's life. Thank you Mr.Caesar I will have him cruicified.

 

[loc978]

Eh, I've yet to let Benny get away... I always get him up to either the presidential suite or his room, demand that he give me the chip, and kill him when he refuses.

...that said... there's no sense getting pissed at the makers of a game when a character in it lies to you or refuses to change his mind. Benny is a career liar, and he assumes anyone he's dealing with is the same way. House believes he should be the dictator of all humanity for their own good, and any he sees as a threat to that plan has to die, no arguments allowed. General Oliver sees New Vegas as an NCR protectorate. Anyone else who wants any power there has to be assimilated or die. Caesar, though... his vision is just an insane version of repeating history to end tribalism...

 

[Eatbrainz]

When i found Benny again at the Fort i actually let him escape when i kicked the door in with a power-armored heel and blasted Caesar with my alien blaster. For some reason i liked Benny even though EVERYONE--even Easy Pete--knows he's a dick.

 

[Psycho Cat Industries]

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Because he's horrified that the person he shot in the head tracked him down through the Mojave desert. Why the hell should he trust you?

That might actually be a reasonable and acceptable explanation. That Benny is just scum and that he doesn't trust anyone, even if I pick the option to forgive him (after which he ambushes me). But I still feel the game mechanic should allow me to convince him to trust me. I've lied and cheated my way trough the game up to here, and all of a sudden someone doesn't trust me? This seems too hardcoded in the storyline to be acceptable.

One thing that's unclear to me then: Where was he heading before he got captured by Legion? What was his plan? What was he himself going to do with the Chip?

Go a little further in and it will quickly become apparent

 

[Psycho Cat Industries]

What annoyed me was the fact I'd taken the time to build up relations with the NCR and the BoS hoping to have some powerful allies for when I took over New Vegas. Plus with my army of Mk.II securitrons the NCR wouldn't have to commit so many troops and resources to the area. But unfortunately because I'd helped Yes man I basically had to tell the NCR general to go fuck himself.

I understand that Obsidian can't make an ending for absolutely every scenario but I would've liked the option. Maybe just a conversation option where you inform the General of the new ownership and propose an alliance.

Well,the plan as discussed was to shut off power for the NCR and either destroy the dam or take it over.That is the only reason they are there to begin with and if you take it over,you unleash the bear

 

[Psycho Cat Industries]

It really is fun hacking Benny to pieces in the arena with a machete though