The Surge in LGBT rainbow characters - AKA: The New Demographic and why its happening.

[MrFalconfly]

And personally I would've tried before assuming that such "proclivities" would be a hindrance (because I've assumed I couldn't do things before, and I'm glad I was pushed by my parents to actually try, because some of those things were the most fun things in my life). And personally I'd reply to someone telling me that I wouldn't accept them because of such "proclivities" with a resounding "How the fuck do you know that you boneheaded bell-end?".

It's like the old adage. "Never assume, because when you assume, you make an ass out of you and me."

You're assuming he didn't based on what exactly? That's how you'd reply. Liu Kang's reply was "I'm aware of your proclivities." That's the one that kind of matters don't you think. Not how you'd respond.

Because we get escuse for why he isn't.

"You wouldn't accept me", "They wouldn't accept me".

Not "You didn't" or "They didn't".

And yes Liu Kang is a monumental arsehole. But that doesn't mean much in a universe that seems to be populated by Duke Nukem wannabes.

Maybe the reason he thought they wouldn't accept him is because his cousin, the White Lotus' champion fighter, couldn't.

So one bellend eh?

Just because of his cousin he thinks EVERYONE ELSE in the whole wide world is a massive fucking arsehole with testicles for a brain?

Again, why not get a straight answer? Why just assume that because his prick of a cousin is an arse, the rest of the White Lotus will also be?

 

[Compatriot Block]

This thread is one of the most alienating things I've read in a long time.

Seriously. I go through some of these fucking awful posts and feel terrible. I don't post much, especially lately, because it's really hard to not get pissed off and start shouting about some of this stuff.

 

[MrFalconfly]

That one bellend is quite influential. You're also forgetting being afraid people won't accept you for your sexuality is a real thing that happens to gay people all the damn time. Just because you've got a particular view doesn't mean every character in fiction is going to mirror that.

I don't care if he's the boss of the pantheon.

He's a massive prick with testicles for a brain.

As for that fear gay people live with.

I may not be gay, but I have lived with the fear that I wasn't good enough, or that I was weird, or was some sort of a deviant (I was a social outcast in my primary-school years mate). I learned the hard way that the only way to actually do stuff is to not let that fear of being an outcast sabotage you.

"Yeah that's easy for you to say, you're straight". No that's not easy for me to say, because my whole childhood was basically the same. Yeah I wasn't gay, but rather the only guy with a very specific interest, which people saw as so weird that they'd rather have nothing to do with me, or make me the butt of everyones joke.

You being gay is not an excuse for you to let your fear stop you, just as me being ostracised back then isn't an excuse for me to be introverted and cautious.

To quote my old Oversergent (NATO OR-7 rank, translating to Sergeant First Class in the US Army). "Be brash. Kick the door in. Own the space. Don't ever let other people roll over you".

Probably one of my most valued pieces of advice.

 

[Silvanus]

You being gay is not an excuse for you to let your fear stop you, just as me being ostracised back then isn't an excuse for me to be introverted and cautious.

The whole point of the scene is that Raiden tells him his fears are unfounded. Jin does overcome his fear. That's the damn point of the scene.

 

[MrFalconfly]

That one bellend is quite influential. You're also forgetting being afraid people won't accept you for your sexuality is a real thing that happens to gay people all the damn time. Just because you've got a particular view doesn't mean every character in fiction is going to mirror that.

I don't care if he's the boss of the pantheon.

He's a massive prick with testicles for a brain.

As for that fear gay people live with.

I may not be gay, but I have lived with the fear that I wasn't good enough, or that I was weird, or was some sort of a deviant (I was a social outcast in my primary-school years mate). I learned the hard way that the only way to actually do stuff is to not let that fear of being an outcast sabotage you.

"Yeah that's easy for you to say, you're straight". No that's not easy for me to say, because my whole childhood was basically the same. Yeah I wasn't gay, but rather the only guy with a very specific interest, which people saw as so weird that they'd rather have nothing to do with me, or make me the butt of everyones joke.

You being gay is not an excuse for you to let your fear stop you, just as me being ostracised back then isn't an excuse for me to be introverted and cautious.

To quote my old SFC. "Be brash. Kick the door in. Own the space. Don't ever let other people roll over you".

Probably one of my most valued pieces of advice.

Good for you. DOesn't change the fact that fear of not being accepted is a thing and not every fictional character can share the same traits as you. What point are you even trying to make exactly? Seriously, what are you talking about?

No it doesn't change the fact that some people let themselves be ruled by their fear (but that doesn't mean they can't be helped. I mean I am by no means in possession of some sort of superhuman fortitude, far from it. I'm just one who punched through that fear. And if I can, so can others).

As for my point. My point is that this character's motivation was never about him being gay, but rather his fear of others reaction to him being gay.

 

[MrFalconfly]

You being gay is not an excuse for you to let your fear stop you, just as me being ostracised back then isn't an excuse for me to be introverted and cautious.

The whole point of the scene is that Raiden tells him his fears are unfounded. Jin does overcome his fear. That's the damn point of the scene.

I was talking about that in general (real life), not a particular scene in the game.

I'm sorry if that was unclear.

 

[Silvanus]

I was talking about that in general (real life), not a particular scene in the game.

I'm sorry if that was unclear.

Ah, okay, sorry for assuming.

Then, yes, I agree that people should be able to be themselves, but it doesn't always seem practicable. Coming out may mean physical assault or even disownment for many.

 

[MrFalconfly]

I was talking about that in general (real life), not a particular scene in the game.

I'm sorry if that was unclear.

Ah, okay, sorry for assuming.

Then, yes, I agree that people should be able to be themselves, but it doesn't always seem practicable. Coming out may mean physical assault or even disownment for many.

Well, I can only hope that they'll have people who love them unconditionally in the vicinity if they do come out.

And I hate to consider people who happen to have decent parents lucky, because that should be a given, not a question of luck.

 

[chuckman1]

Dammed if you do or if you don't. Write a good gay character you're pandering, bad gay character youre a disappointment.we should have the same standards in gaming as for straight characters, very low. Gaming needs characters to represent the 700 million gay people on earth. Not all will be Shakespeare but as long as it's not some kind of gay Jim crow it's a positive step. Hell we really need more casual bisexuality since that's way more common. Ex Kratos freaking out because he kinda "likes" Hermes. If a manly man like him can like a guy it helps the guys playing the game.

It should be well written in theory, but most game story isn't.

 

[Loonyyy]

It's not the fact that a character is gay. There were gay characters in brokeback mountain. But brokeback mountain is a film that deals with the topic of homosexuality. Mortal Kombat doesn't. It's the fact that this is shoe-horned into the game to please the SJWs.

And this is absolutely a token gay character.

Just like how gay people who play videogames are just shoehorning themselves in. Or drive. Or eat, drink, whatever. Because it's not like one's sexuality could be incidental and these people exist outside of the context of their own sexuality. Nope. All gays do is gay all the time. Never anything else. Never fighting, playing, living. Just gaying. Eat for sustenance? Why eat when you can gay? Fight for your life? Why fight, you're gay, don't be silly, gay people aren't fighters. Being gay has nothing to do with fighting, so fighters aren't gay. Fuck, why is the example you cite Brokeback fucking Mountain?

Mortal Kombat deals with people fighting, and yeah, some people are gay. And they do exactly the same stuff, outside of the context of their sexuality. Deal with it.

 

[Vault101]

It's not the fact that a character is gay. There were gay characters in brokeback mountain. But brokeback mountain is a film that deals with the topic of homosexuality. Mortal Kombat doesn't. It's the fact that this is shoe-horned into the game to please the SJWs.

And this is absolutely a token gay character.

1. so gay people should be invisible unless its a specifically "gay" story? they can't "just be gay" like people can "just be straight"

youre defaulting something [I/]terrible[/i]

not to mention how many people bemoan the amoung of unessicary hetero romance subplots that have to be shoved into everything

but anyway

I think there is a misconception that any story that involves "gay" people has "deal with the topic of Homosexuality" (coming of age, acceptance, homophobia, drama) otherwise its purely "incidental"

but depending on what aspect of "gayness" you're dealing with it can be the driving force of the narrative yet also incidental

like one of my Favourite Books ever is "Fingersmith" set in the Victorian era its about a girl who grew up among thieves who gets roped into a plot to steal the fortune from a wealthy heiress by posing as her maid and having her sent to the mad house, as you can guess they fall in love

Spoiler: I reeeally don't want to spoiler the book because its THAT good but anyway

it turns out our protagonist was also being tricked by the apparent "clueless" heiress because they pulled a bait and switch and had her go into the asylum because "she was pretending to be her maid"

Fingersmith is gay story, yes, but it is also a period piece, a drama, a thriller, its the story with twists, plots and fantastic writing

could you turn it hetero and keep the main structure? sure, but it would be hard given the setting and given a lot of the themes/plot pointd relate to the fact both protagonists are women

basically what I'm trying to say is that the potential for stories with gay people in them go beyond "kid grows up in homophobic community, heads to the big city to find oneself"

sometimes that means its incidental, sometimes that means its central

 

[Vault101]

I may not be gay, .

aaaaaaaand that's where we stop riiight there....

look I know everyone has shit to deal with, some certainly more than others but you can't just dismiss years and years of systematic oppression as "no excuse"

not being able to operate within the rest of society aside form specific groups which has been the case for LGBT people for the majority of the 20th century

are things better now? oh hell yes, MUCH better macklemoore was telling us all how cool it is on the radio, gay people are making out on screen, gay marrage is almost legal across the US and in recent years there feels like a real surge of support

but for a lot of gay people "fear" is still a damn good excuse, when you risk actually rendering yourself homeless at worst and cutting of your family at best, or when you DON'T know if your co-workers or boss are going to have a problem with you, and if they do you may never be able to know for sure or prove it if it affects you

and that's just for people lucky enough to live in a country where its "generally" accepted...and you know, not [I/]illegal[/I]

so as lucky as we are in general it pays to remember its not the case for everyone

. Eat for sustenance? Why eat when you can gay?.

I know right?

and the great thing is eating rainbows costs practically nothing

 

[Thaluikhain]

I may not be gay, .

aaaaaaaand that's where we stop riiight there....

But why? Just because you've never experienced something and so don't understand it doesn't mean you can't tell people how they should respond to it. What'd be the point of politicians if that was the case?

 

[Vault101]

But why? Just because you've never experienced something and so don't understand it doesn't mean you can't tell people how they should respond to it. What'd be the point of politicians if that was the case?

because people tend to be a bit clueless when offering their "advice" [I/]why can trans people like themselves as they are?, why can't the poor just get jobs? why can't depressed people not be depressed?[/I]

now I'll admit I probably jumped on them a little strong there...particularly since they seemed genuine, force of habit

although I will say I think the person I quoted might be forgetting that sometimes its not a case of being thought of as "odd" but an actual life/safety decision

 

[Thaluikhain]

because people tend to be a bit clueless when offering their "advice" [I/]why can trans people like themselves as they are?, why can't the poor just get jobs? why can't depressed people not be depressed?[/I]

Oh sure...was wondering if the sarcasm was obvious enough...stupid internets.

now I'll admit I probably jumped on them a little strong there...particularly since they seemed genuine, force of habit

Very often this is the case, yes, but it's still something that is very unhelpful. People naturally try to place things in their own context to try to understand them, or worse, claim that they are suffering from the same or worse. It seens almost instinctive, and is something that I believe people benefit from being called out on.

 

[Vault101]

Very often this is the case, yes, but it's still something that is very unhelpful. People naturally try to place things in their own context to try to understand them, or worse, claim that they are suffering from the same or worse. It seens almost instinctive, and is something that I believe people benefit from being called out on.

oh that was....sarcasm?

and here I was thinking I was being a jerk XD

yeah I've probably done it myself enough times but like a lot of things its important to understand its not always the same

 

[Thaluikhain]

yeah I've probably done it myself enough times but like a lot of things its important to understand its not always the same

Yeah, I'm going to guess that more or less everyone has done it, and occasionally keeps doing it even after they realise that sort of thing is a problem. Yet to find a way of pointing it out to something doing it that they'll want to hear, though.

 

[Vault101]

this isn't a big revelation thing. The problem is the SJWs haven't ever played any fucking video games, there have been trans and gay characters in games for fucking decades they just never see them because they don't play video games.

So yeah... fuck people saying there aren't gay or trans characters in gaming. Those people don't play fucking video games (/rant over)

hello resident not straight SJW reporting in to be the representative of my entire demographic! *waves*

yes gay people play games, in fact they might play games more than they read books or comics going by numbers alone, and hell there are more books/comics with gay characters then there are games

so like...seriously I don't know where the hell you got this idea

how many gay SJW's are on this very forum? I know for a fact I'm not the only one

When a gay character's sexuality is relevant to the plot, it's accused of pandering and tokenism (as happened with DA:I). When it's incidental, it's accused of the same thing but for the opposite reason (MKX, ME:3). The accusation occurs no matter how gay characters are done.

its like you can eather have "ruby fruit jungle"[footnote/]obscure lesbian reference woo![/footnote] or nothing, and even then people will put the latter in the "strictly not for me" category