The Surge in LGBT rainbow characters - AKA: The New Demographic and why its happening.

[Redryhno]

Could you at least try and answer the question please?

Are you saying there's worse things that happen in the MK universe so anything that's not as bad shouldn't be brought up?

No, he's saying that the MK universe is not the place for romance of really any kind. Not to mention he's only been confirmed as gay OUTSIDE the game, only hints that could just as easily be interpreted as him liking a girl he shouldn't INSIDE. He doesn't even have a potential love interest, so what is the point of having his sexuality confirmed in the first place beyond just brownie points?

 

[The Only Gay Eskimo]

I wasn't making the argument that "there are more important things to care about". Real hate and violence against gay people is a real issue of the real world. This however is a game where all sorts of freaky people fight to the death in the most extreme ways. The topic of homosexuality seems rather silly in the context of this game.

So you're saying there's worse things that happen in the MK universe so anything that's not as bad shouldn't be brought up?

The "Starving children in Africa" excuse?

Why the fuck are you so obsessed with starving children in Africa? I already said in the post you quoted that hate and violence against gay people is a real problem, but not every game is a good game to deal with these issues. It would be silly if all of a sudden Mario and Luigi's gay brother showed up and talked about how the plumber's union would never accept him and how he wasn't really interested in saving princesses anyway.

Could you at least try and answer the question please?

Are you saying there's worse things that happen in the MK universe so anything that's not as bad shouldn't be brought up?

In the first sentence of the first of these quotes I already answered that.

But hell, even though I didn't make that argument, to be honest, in a world where people rip your spine out, decapitate you and freeze your body and smash it to pieces, I would indeed say that there are more terrible things to worry about than what group thinks where you may or may not stick your dick in.

I mean it just seems silly. In a world, where people have killed each other over far less, why wouldn't someone, who encounters people that hate him for his sexuality, just fucking kill these people and be done with it. Imagine someone bullying Shao Khan for being gay. Good luck and see you on the other side.

Again this is a game where people kill each other. There exists a tournament where people fight to the death. Why would anyone in this world worry about homophobia?

 

[Redryhno]

Could you at least try and answer the question please?

Are you saying there's worse things that happen in the MK universe so anything that's not as bad shouldn't be brought up?

No, he's saying that the MK universe is not the place for romance of really any kind. Not to mention he's only been confirmed as gay OUTSIDE the game, only hints that could just as easily be interpreted as him liking a girl he shouldn't INSIDE. He doesn't even have a potential love interest, so what is the point of having his sexuality confirmed in the first place beyond just brownie points?

What's the point in lore for any characters in that case? What makes his lore so bad compared to say Scorpion who is fighting because of his dead wife and child?

Well, it wasn't until recently that it was wife and child, before that it was just he was the last of his clan because of the first Sub-Zero killing them all and being under Quan Chi's control basically jsut being a very angry flaming spooky scary skeleton. It's a pretty old plot point in his case that goes back centuries in alot of cultures.

And you're confusing motivation for backstory here. Kung Jin is not in it because he's gay, he's in it because he got roped into it as the Shaolin recruit for the...whatever the Outworld/Earthrealm police force thingy is. Also he's related to Kung Lao and Liu Kang, like every one of the new game's characters is related to some part of the older rosters.

Spoiler

And again I refer you to my first post that you've yet to apparently have any thoughts on, Jacqui and Takeda get involved, why nobody for Kung Jin? Other than him probably getting them killed by his stupidity.

 

[The Only Gay Eskimo]

Well, if you could die any day, you really gotta prioritize.

By the way, is his fatality that he pulls down his opponent's pants, inserts his cock into his ass, and then fucks him so hard that it impales him and comes out of his mouth, sperm dripping down? If not, that really is a missed opportunity.

 

[Redryhno]

What's the point in lore for any characters in that case? What makes his lore so bad compared to say Scorpion who is fighting because of his dead wife and child?

Well, it wasn't until recently that it was wife and child, before that it was just he was the last of his clan because of the first Sub-Zero killing them all and being under Quan Chi's control basically jsut being a very angry flaming spooky scary skeleton. It's a pretty old plot point in his case that goes back centuries in alot of cultures.

And you're confusing motivation for backstory here. Kung Jin is not in it because he's gay, he's in it because he got roped into it as the Shaolin recruit for the...whatever the Outworld/Earthrealm police force thingy is. Also he's related to Kung Lao and Liu Kang, like every one of the new game's characters is related to some part of the older rosters.

You never actually answered the questions. You say I'm confusing motivation for backstory here, but I just straight up said lore, which both of those things fall under.

What you mean is I didn't answer the questions the way you wanted me to.

Lore covers backstory, which MIGHT cover motivation in some cases. Johnny joins up because Hollywood doesn't think he does all his own stunts and fight scenes. His motivation and backstory weave into one another. Sonya in X keeps an eye out for Kano who she hates(backstory), but she's involved because she's in charge of Outworld/Earthrealm relations(motivation). Reptile has no interest in the Kombat tournament personally, he only goes along with it because he's trying to get his homeworld and race back from the brink of extinction. It's been his sole motivation throughout his appearances, with very little backstory given, nobody even knows what the rest of his race or world looks like.

You also got some very minor, but important details wrong with Scorpion's lore and motivation, which is why I spent time on them.

But overall, my personal opinion is still in the first post you still have yet to comment on beyond me being wrong about Steve the shuttler. His name is Steve right? Not Steven?

 

[Twintix]

So wait, please tell me I'm misunderstanding you, or do you seriously think that anytime any minority is included in anything, it's just for the sake of the producers wanting attention?

...Well you're right. These people do want attention. Do you know who else wants attention?

Everybody working in the media industries.

Of course they want attention; They're making a product that they want to sell, why wouldn't they want it to get attention? Movie makers, game developers, authors, everybody working in these mediums want people to see and hear about their products. It's how they get people interested. So you're probably right, but maybe not for the right reasons.

Like somebody else here said, MK is pretty campy, a'ight? It's over-the-top, cheesy B-movies in a cartridge. All the fighters have their respective back stories to flesh them out, so why is it suddenly so bad to have a character be gay as part of their back story? I really don't understand the outrage that happens as soon as any character that's "out of the norm" is introduced in anything. Developers don't have to make these things a "big deal" anymore; The audience more than happily does it for them.

It's getting a bit tiresome how people are so impossible to please. We have the overly sensitive people who claim everything is -ist, (Which I can avoid very easily) and now we have these people who think that every minority ever introduced or even hinted at is "nothing but pandering to the PC crowd". (Which I can't avoid as easily. But your mileage may vary; Some people have different experiences, after all) Why do we so rarely find a middle ground in these discussions?

I'm sorry if I come across as a bit grouchy. I try not to. And I guess I shouldn't have posted here in the first place, but the more people talk about something, the easier it gets to talk about.

 

[KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime]

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Once again it's not both person A and B saying they're for Equal rights for LBGTQ. That's not the issue.

It's when this happens:
Person A: "I'm going to do something meaningful to show my support. I'll help." Person A then goes to do things to help, even very little things.
and
Person B: "Well I support equal rights for LGBTQ." Person B then gives nothing but continued moral support.
Person C: "I support LGBTQ euqality and intend to do something about it." Person C is either a celebrity or politician, but they somehow manage to get things done that actually help. The then don't go around touting what great people they are.
vs.
Person D: "We need to do blah blah blah to stop injustice against LGBTQ." Person D continues to pontificate as their poll numbers rise, then does nothing to actually help when they get elected. Maybe they pass a vague law that is easy to ignore or is easily abused. Thus making the LGBTQ community look like exploitative dicks. Even though they intended to do go good, or have good be done.
Person E: "We need to fight injustice against the LGBTQ community. As (insert celebrity) I am commited to the LGBTQ cause!" Person E then goes around enjoying the popularity the statement got them and patting themselves on the back when they did nothing.


THAT'S The difference. Person D and E are subtracting from any good they can do by being completely focused on themselves and not the cause. They can actually be in support of the cause, but their primary motivation is to make themselves look good.That attitude is counter productive, and they're not against the cause. But them acting the way they do, actually harms the community. They're not against the community, but by being so self interested they're a liability.

On the other hand Persons A, B, and C. No matter how much they contribute, or how little aren't being pricks about it, and making the community look bad. They're not out to stir the pot, they honestly want people to have it better.

Now do you understand the difference? The road to hell is paved with good intentions, especially when those good intentions are used for personal gains of some kind.

 

[Redryhno]

why wouldn't someone, who encounters people that hate him for his sexuality, just fucking kill these people and be done with it.

Except Kung Jin is one of the good guys and refuses to kill a person who was just trying to kill him. You'd know this if you spent half as much time playing the game as you did criticising it's inclusion of a gay character.

Well, you know...except for the Sub-Zero thing earlier on when he actually did try to kill someone they went to asking for help before Johnny showing up and telling them it was all a training exercise...Or when he was about to kill Erron Black before Kotal Kahn showed up...Kung Jin is not a consistent guy, not exactly sure how he was accepted into the Shaolin Monks other than his lineage and relations.

Spoiler

Heck, technically he should be the Emperor of Outworld when he beat Kotal early on, the universe's logic rarely is consistent with itself.

 

[The Only Gay Eskimo]

why wouldn't someone, who encounters people that hate him for his sexuality, just fucking kill these people and be done with it.

Except Kung Jin is one of the good guys and refuses to kill a person who was just trying to kill him. You'd know this if you spent half as much time playing the game as you did criticising it's inclusion of a gay character.

So he has no fatality?

 

[Redryhno]

why wouldn't someone, who encounters people that hate him for his sexuality, just fucking kill these people and be done with it.

Except Kung Jin is one of the good guys and refuses to kill a person who was just trying to kill him. You'd know this if you spent half as much time playing the game as you did criticising it's inclusion of a gay character.

So he has no fatality?

I think the argument is that the gameplay of MK is not canon, therefore only what happens in the cutscenes is what actually happens.

 

[MCerberus]

There's nothing like having a token 'has gays' character to get your game some publicity, especially when your game is being slammed for being a buggy mess; having some content behind a 'premium edition' and a shitty microtransactions model.

Well the only review I've seen that even mentions it is a 0/10 metacritic troll review, but I am looking forward to an IGN review that lists "Pro: It's pretty gay"

 

[The Only Gay Eskimo]

Never said that did I? I was just responding to your claim that he would just kill people who hate him for his sexuality. as pointed out fights aren't canon, canonically Kung Jin killed nobody in the game.

I never said that he would, I asked

I mean it just seems silly. In a world, where people have killed each other over far less, why wouldn't someone, who encounters people that hate him for his sexuality, just fucking kill these people and be done with it.